MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:50 pm

AK_iceman wrote: Day Deadline:
05 March 2007 MONDAY
8:21 PM GMT
3:21PM EST
12:21PM PST.

QFE

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:50 pm

Vote Count

[1] trestain -- (wicked)
[3] Huguenots -- (AndyDufresne, Nyvek, Senfive)
[9]Not Voting, Everyone Else

7 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch

Day Deadline: 05 March 2007 8:21 PM GMT.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:51 pm

Senfive wrote:
vgmmaster wrote:
Fircoal wrote:What about the second question Trestain?

I'm not sure which is more scummy Trestain or Huge.
At the moment, I'm leaning toward Huge. Seeing how we have a couple of days to use, I say we take advantage of them and not necessarily rush our vote. I say give him until at least tomorrow to respond because of that.
he is only going to give a one liner. nothing ever usefull.

Yep, and that line will be: I'm not mafia.

I'm not sure if I believe Trestain. I can't tell if Tre's claim is real. While Hugh, is useless.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:51 pm

Fircoal wrote:What about the second question Trestain?

I'm not sure which is more scummy Trestain or Huge.

that was aimed at Wicked's post Fircoal, To answer Vgm's second question my character is Pyro.

and yes Wicked you can expect me to post a lot more now.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:51 pm

Sen, I wasn't asking as a way to clear him. I was asking to see if he was pro-townie, pro-mafia or an independent role like Xenhu.

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:57 pm

wicked wrote:Sen, I wasn't asking as a way to clear him. I was asking to see if he was pro-townie, pro-mafia or an independent role like Xenhu.

I understand why you said that. You caught me cause I didn't want to use the line again. but like I said anyone with half a brain would know use the line I already used so it doesn't confirm townie, mafia, or independent. I still don't trust him, yet his claim does have some substance to it. Like I said only way to know he is telling the truth is that we either,

A.) Lynch him to see if he is lying, Like autoload in finn rock.
B.) Wait tell he is killed by the mafia, Which is unlikely.
C.) wait tell the end of the game.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:01 pm

Senfive wrote: Like I said only way to know he is telling the truth is that we either,

A.) Lynch him to see if he is lying, Like autoload in finn rock.
B.) Wait tell he is killed by the mafia, Which is unlikely.
C.) wait tell the end of the game.

Bloody Genius!!!

uhh,, that's pretty much going to be the same for everyone Sen.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:03 pm

follow finn rock senfive? now there's a good idea everyone in that game agreed that it was the worst played game by townies ever

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:06 pm

wicked wrote:
Senfive wrote: Like I said only way to know he is telling the truth is that we either,

A.) Lynch him to see if he is lying, Like autoload in finn rock.
B.) Wait tell he is killed by the mafia, Which is unlikely.
C.) wait tell the end of the game.
Bloody Genius!!!

uhh,, that's pretty much going to be the same for everyone Sen.

I know.

Have to show I have some intelligence lol.

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:08 pm

trestain wrote:follow finn rock senfive? now there's a good idea everyone in that game agreed that it was the worst played game by townies ever

yell yeah I followed that one. I was still caught off guard by who was mafia myself. I would have followed the mafia's will in that game also lol. I learned from watching others make mistakes I would have made myself. Live and learn. Lynch and learn. those are my 2 favorite sayings now. Now back to the game. I want to hear from hughenuts.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:10 pm

Tres, I'm not sure if you're telling the truth or not, but for the moment, I will unvote you to see if you do indeed start participating more. I think you could have very easily have made up this role when you saw there was a SK.

vgmmaster · Post by **vgmmaster** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:51 pm

While this may or may not be 100% accurate, I did a little studying recetnly.

With the exception of RK and Sam Jam (role names unknown), all of the other mafia member's x-men names are or were villains of the x-men group. Trestain has claimed Pyro as his name. Pyro's affiliation is with the Brotherhood of Mutants and the Freedom Force. Both groups contain x-men villains.

However, Puff's name (Magneto) doesn't make any sense. According to my philosphy, he should be a mafia member. However, he was an insane doctor. (Take that however you want). Also, Red Bull's name was never revealed.

But, as the other mafia members have x-men villains as their name, and how Trestain's name is Pyro (an x-men villian), I believe that Trestain is mafia.

VOTE: Trestain

moz976 · Post by **moz976** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:09 pm

I still believe that treistain is mafia. and if he isn't mafia he could be something else. I think VGM might know what I'm talking about here.e most dang

As for me not voting I didn't realize when the deadline until it was already past I tried to put a vote in but it of course did not count.

At this point I think Treistan is the most dangerous.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:31 pm

I saw Hugue lurking, and posting in other threads in the Off Topics. Here's a snippet of what he posted:

Huguenots -- From [url=http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14006&start=15]This Thread[/url] wrote:wtf

Huguenots -- From [url=http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13550&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=570]This Thread[/url] wrote:

May he just doesn't post much at all...ever? Interesting and mildly amusing nonetheless.

--Andy

red bull · Post by **red bull** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:43 pm

is sam jam my kill ohh boy hes mine now

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Huguenots · Post by **Huguenots** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:54 pm

if you want me to post more just say so andy. And whats up with people calling me hugenuts or something like that.*Cough*Senfive*Cough*

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:59 pm

I thought everyone has been telling you to post more...hm...since you took over. :-\

--Andy

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:40 pm

Well I like the way things turned last night! Sam Jam was one of the last of the originally named submarine posters....and he wasn't town! For that reason I would still like to lynch huguenots and trestain in the coming days because neither of them have posted much of anything, and nothing helpful to the town.

I think I do believe trestain more now that he claims to be a psychiatrist. But anyway, if you are true to your role tres, who did you investigate each night and what were the results?

I am hoping that it was the SK who was doing all the day time killing. That would really save our asses to be rid of him, because then the doctors aren't facing much of any risk any more. Or not nearly as much at least.

Anyway, as of Friday night I will be gone for a full week. I might be able to find internet access but I have no idea if that will be possible. So it would be good if we could finish this day quickly (within the next 24 hours) so that I can protect someone during the next night instead of forfeiting my ability. Also, if I can't get access to a computer and my absence poses a problem then I should be modkilled. I wouldn't want to see yet another replacement come and try to catch up on everything because that is not helpful at all. However, we've seen multiple players in this game go a week without posting so if it comes down to it I think I should be allowed to as well

On that note I will vote huguenots and try to get one of the lynchings done that should have happened yesterday. Moz- you won't be around again this weekend? If so I would like to see you place a vote or at least share some insight before it is conveniently too late once again. Speaking of which, can you clarify what you meant here?

moz976 wrote:I still believe that treistain is mafia. and if he isn't mafia he could be something else. I think VGM might know what I'm talking about here.e most dang

Are you and VGM connected somehow and have extra info? Or I am reading too much into that sentence?

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:00 pm

sully800 wrote:Well I like the way things turned last night! Sam Jam was one of the last of the originally named submarine posters....and he wasn't town! For that reason I would still like to lynch huguenots and trestain in the coming days because neither of them have posted much of anything, and nothing helpful to the town.

I think I do believe trestain more now that he claims to be a psychiatrist. But anyway, if you are true to your role tres, who did you investigate each night and what were the results?

I am hoping that it was the SK who was doing all the day time killing. That would really save our asses to be rid of him, because then the doctors aren't facing much of any risk any more. Or not nearly as much at least.

Anyway, as of Friday night I will be gone for a full week. I might be able to find internet access but I have no idea if that will be possible. So it would be good if we could finish this day quickly (within the next 24 hours) so that I can protect someone during the next night instead of forfeiting my ability. Also, if I can't get access to a computer and my absence poses a problem then I should be modkilled. I wouldn't want to see yet another replacement come and try to catch up on everything because that is not helpful at all. However, we've seen multiple players in this game go a week without posting so if it comes down to it I think I should be allowed to as well

On that note I will vote huguenots and try to get one of the lynchings done that should have happened yesterday. Moz- you won't be around again this weekend? If so I would like to see you place a vote or at least share some insight before it is conveniently too late once again. Speaking of which, can you clarify what you meant here?
moz976 wrote:I still believe that treistain is mafia. and if he isn't mafia he could be something else. I think VGM might know what I'm talking about here.e most dang
Are you and VGM connected somehow and have extra info? Or I am reading too much into that sentence?

Just wanted to add that Trestain said that he was only told if they were or not the SK. At least thats what he says.

Nyvek · Post by **Nyvek** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:17 am

vgmmaster wrote:While this may or may not be 100% accurate, I did a little studying recetnly.

With the exception of RK and Sam Jam (role names unknown), all of the other mafia member's x-men names are or were villains of the x-men group. Trestain has claimed Pyro as his name. Pyro's affiliation is with the Brotherhood of Mutants and the Freedom Force. Both groups contain x-men villains.

However, Puff's name (Magneto) doesn't make any sense. According to my philosphy, he should be a mafia member. However, he was an insane doctor. (Take that however you want). Also, Red Bull's name was never revealed.

But, as the other mafia members have x-men villains as their name, and how Trestain's name is Pyro (an x-men villian), I believe that Trestain is mafia.

VOTE: Trestain

I'm seeing inconsistencies with your theory. I'm not a big X-Man guru so I had to go online to check their bios. These are the named roles we have to analyze.
Beast – Protown Day Cop, correct
Cannonball – Protown Cop, correct
Husk – Protown Vanilla Mutant, correct
Iceman – Neutral Instigator, wrong
Magneto – ProTown Insane Doc, wrong
Marrow – Mafia Cop, correct
Psylocke – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Pyro – Protown Psychiatrist(claimed), wrong
Thunderbird – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Wolverine – Mafia, wrong

Is this list accurate?
Beast, Cannonball, Husk, Iceman, Psylocke, Thunderbird and Wolverine are supposed to be good guys right?
Magneto, Marrow and Pyro supposedly the bad ones?

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:23 am

when I first talked to IC about the theme, he said the names he picked would not match the roles.

Nyvek · Post by **Nyvek** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:31 am

I guessed they were distributed randomly. If this is true, to me it looks like VGM has been breadcrumbing innocents.

vgmmaster wrote:A lot of random votes going out early I see.

Personally, I don't play that way. What I am wondering though, is this. Seeing how we have 25 players starting (if I counted correctly), it leaves you to wonder how many mafias there are.

Now, I'm not an X-men expert, but for now, I'm going to assume that there are two mafias. Mystique's group and Magneto's group. Also, I think Juggaurnaut may be the Serial Killer.

From there, we have to fill in the blanks, but this is where I'm leaning currently.

Here he introduces the theory that player’s alignment would likely be referenced by their character name as it pertains to X-Men lore. Not a bad idea since we don’t know much on page 3. What I don’t understand is why he’s still using it page 90 after it didn’t match up.

vgmmaster wrote:I don't like the whole usage of using random name generators such as random.org.

In my opinion, the people who use them are suspicious. Mainly for the fact that, because they are using random.org, I get the impression that they don't care who they lynch.

However, I'll agree to the fact that, because we started on day instead of night (which is very unusual in my experience), we have no leads on who the mafia may be. That's the only justice I can see in using it, but I don't think using random.org is justifiable to the point where there is nothing suspicious about it.

Because of that, Tiny FOS: Random.org users.

Then he points suspicion to the group of players for doing a traditional day 1 practice used by an entire forum at mafiascum.net.

vgmmaster wrote:Sorry for not posting more guys. I'm in the middle of two other mafia games at the moment and have the tendency to play a lot of Risk over the weekend.

Anyways, I'm a little suspicious of Puff's actions. Either he is a complete idiot for claiming doc as he'll now be killed over night (and then Red Bull the following night) or he's trying to not be lynched.

He only had one, maybe two votes against him, so there was no reason to make a roleclaim. That's why he appears suspicious.

I'd call him a newb/noob, but I've seen him in other games (and he's modding one currently as well), so I have the feeling he may just be an idiot.

One or the other, Puff's way of claiming is a bit odd and because of that, TFOS: Puff

I won't vote though, as I'll give you the benefit of a doubt. However, I have a thought that I won't reveal until the next day providing you're still alive.

Since your foreshadowing was correct, what was you next day thought?

vgmmaster wrote:
AK_iceman wrote:Vote Count

[1] red bull -- (dussle)

[1] Lt.Mustard -- (autoload)

[1] Puff -- (Fircoal)

[11] dcowboys055 -- (moz976, Sully800, Puff, trestain, wicked, Senfive, reverend_kyle, vgmmaster, Sam Jam, HoussamTheGreat, red bull)

[7] Not Voting, Everyone Else
11 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch
I remember a game that I played on another forum where an experienced player said it's possible to find scum on the way the vote takes place.

He mentions that the third voter (or around there) votes in an attempt to get a bandwagon started. The next to last voter may try to get some random person to put the final vote on somebody to lynch them.

In this case Puff and Houssam seem to fit the bill. Wether they are mafia or not is unknown, but Puff has appeared suspicious. Also the last voter, red bull, also appears suspicious to some people.

This is referred to as Appealing to Authority, a logical fallacy. Relying overmuch on the arguments of “older,wiser” players (especially when the argument is theoretical rather than based on the facts of the current game) can be a fallacious argument designed to persuade. Sometimes Newbie players will make this assumption because they are unsure of their own skill at catching scum(VGM is not newbie). By invoking the name or ideas of an experienced player, they absolve themselves of responsibility if the theory turns out to be false later.

In this particular case, 2 of the 3 fingered are innocents, with 1 unidentified.

vgmmaster wrote:Concerning Marv, I see it this way. If he is mafia, he can't hurt us because he isn't here. Due to that one reason alone, I believe we should keep him around for a while.

Any particular reason why Marv would be more important than any other townie? That is assuming you two are townies.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:37 am

wicked wrote:when I first talked to IC about the theme, he said the names he picked would not match the roles.

QFE

Sully the 4 people i investigated were,

Marvaddin
Moz
Houssam
Wicked

in that order and all I was told was they were not the serial killer

moz976 · Post by **moz976** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:32 am

sully800 wrote: Are you and VGM connected somehow and have extra info? Or I am reading too much into that sentence?

No we are not connected I was talking about another game that we are in where the circumstances might be similar.

I will not be on much this weekend so I will vote before I leave for the day.

I think that treistan is more dangerous that hugenot but I will go with the town unless I'm given a reason to do otherwise.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:10 am

Sorry for disappearing ppl. was on a very very long trip and just landed an hour ago. will have to go back and read what I missed. but tomorrow.. cause I am exhausted! Besides, last night lasted so damn long that I forgot where we were anyway!!!! Talk to you all later.

MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

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