Small World

[MrBenn]

I've written a first version of the xml but can't get the xml checker to work. Also, it's been a while and I can't remember where the best place to host xml files is (not sure dropbox gives a simple direct link?)

[Gilligan]

I've written a first version of the xml but can't get the xml checker to work. Also, it's been a while and I can't remember where the best place to host xml files is (not sure dropbox gives a simple direct link?)

You can upload attachments here that give a direct link.

[Dukasaur]

I think E.E. Russia is really clumsy. It's a hell of a lot better than Komi, but it's still clumsy. Why not just call it Russian, plain and simple? It's the part of Russia that most people would call Russia.

[MrBenn]

I think E.E. Russia is really clumsy. It's a hell of a lot better than Komi, but it's still clumsy. Why not just call it Russian, plain and simple? It's the part of Russia that most people would call Russia.

It's been changed to European Russia on the latest version.

[Dukasaur]

I think E.E. Russia is really clumsy. It's a hell of a lot better than Komi, but it's still clumsy. Why not just call it Russian, plain and simple? It's the part of Russia that most people would call Russia.

It's been changed to European Russia on the latest version.

Ok. Although I would still prefer just plain "Russia".

[iAmCaffeine]

Why are the fonts different from large to small? I'd use a sans-serif font personally.

[Oneyed]

interesting idea this little map.

- E. E. Russia, European Russia could be realy just Russia.
- way from Colombia could go to Western Africa. it is needed to secure just two regions in Africa for holding +4 bonus, while Europe has four regions to secure with the same number of regions as Africa. or Africas bonus could be changed to +3.
- on the small map could be 888 where is written S´bard and where are 888 now you will have space for full name Svalbard.

Oneyed

[Balsiefen]

- E. E. Russia, European Russia could be realy just Russia.

Rus' could also work as a general name for this region.

[Symmetry]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... 6p_SQWpACk

While Hasbro appreciates your enthusiasm for its RISK® game, it cannot
condone such blatant infringement of its intellectual property.

Bon chance!

[MrBenn]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... 6p_SQWpACk

While Hasbro appreciates your enthusiasm for its RISK® game, it cannot
condone such blatant infringement of its intellectual property.

Bon chance!

No need for the 'bon chance'. We went through this years back; it's why the classic map was removed and replaced with classic art, and then classic cities, and why the dice aren't officially called dice, and the cards are now called spoils. The site has survived (more or less) despite the changes and still has a couple of world maps in its arsenal.

[macbone]

This map is so freaking pretty. I love the way the colors look.

[MrBenn]

This map is so freaking pretty. I love the way the colors look.

Thanks I should probably finish it off... I think it just needs some XML which was mostly written...

[Teflon Kris]

Yeah - this would be a great new map

[MrBenn]

Here's where I got to however long ago. I don't know what needs doing now?

Small Map:


Large Map:


XML:

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>
<!-- Small World - Map and XML by MrBenn -->
<continent>
   <name>North America</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Greenland</territory>
      <territory>Canada</territory>
      <territory>Alaska</territory>
      <territory>USA</territory>
      <territory>Mexico</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>South America</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Colombia</territory>
      <territory>Peru</territory>
      <territory>Argentina</territory>
      <territory>Brazil</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Europe</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Scandinavia</territory>
      <territory>UK</territory>
      <territory>Iberia</territory>
      <territory>Central Europe</territory>
      <territory>European Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Africa</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Northern Africa</territory>
      <territory>Western Africa</territory>
      <territory>Eastern Africa</territory>
      <territory>Central Africa</territory>
      <territory>Southern Africa</territory>
      <territory>Madagascar</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Asia</name>
   <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Middle East</territory>
      <territory>Central Asia</territory>
      <territory>Siberia</territory>
      <territory>Sakha</territory>
      <territory>Japan</territory>
      <territory>China</territory>
      <territory>India</territory>
      <territory>Thailand</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Oceania</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Indonesia</territory>
      <territory>Philippines</territory>
      <territory>New Guinea</territory>
      <territory>Australia</territory>
      <territory>New Zealand</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Antarctica</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Getz</territory>
      <territory>Enderby</territory>
      <territory>Wilkes</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<territory>
   <name>Alaska</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Canada</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>10</smallx>
      <smally>48</smally>
      <largex>17</largex>
      <largey>61</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Canada</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Alaska</border>
      <border>Greenland</border>
      <border>USA</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>62</smallx>
      <smally>52</smally>
      <largex>95</largex>
      <largey>67</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Greenland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Canada</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>134</smallx>
      <smally>39</smally>
      <largex>203</largex>
      <largey>48</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>USA</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Canada</border>
      <border>Mexico</border>
      <border>Iberia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>63</smallx>
      <smally>90</smally>
      <largex>97</largex>
      <largey>124</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Mexico</name>
   <borders>
      <border>USA</border>
      <border>Colombia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>42</smallx>
      <smally>113</smally>
      <largex>65</largex>
      <largey>159</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Colombia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mexico</border>
      <border>Peru</border>
      <border>Brazil</border>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>83</smallx>
      <smally>134</smally>
      <largex>127</largex>
      <largey>190</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Peru</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Colombia</border>
      <border>Brazil</border>
      <border>Argentina</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>76</smallx>
      <smally>172</smally>
      <largex>116</largex>
      <largey>247</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Brazil</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Colombia</border>
      <border>Peru</border>
      <border>Argentina</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>115</smallx>
      <smally>160</smally>
      <largex>175</largex>
      <largey>229</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Argentina</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Peru</border>
      <border>Brazil</border>
      <border>Enderby</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>86</smallx>
      <smally>197</smally>
      <largex>131</largex>
      <largey>285</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Getz</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Enderby</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>103</smallx>
      <smally>253</smally>
      <largex>157</largex>
      <largey>369</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Enderby</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Getz</border>
      <border>Wilkes</border>
      <border>Argentina</border>
      <border>Southern Africa</border>
      <border>Australia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>227</smallx>
      <smally>249</smally>
      <largex>343</largex>
      <largey>363</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Wilkes</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Enderby</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>312</smallx>
      <smally>247</smally>
      <largex>470</largex>
      <largey>360</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>UK</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iberia</border>
      <border>Central Europe</border>
      <border>Scandinavia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>161</smallx>
      <smally>65</smally>
      <largex>244</largex>
      <largey>87</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Iberia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>USA</border>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
      <border>UK</border>
      <border>Central Europe</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>159</smallx>
      <smally>82</smally>
      <largex>241</largex>
      <largey>112</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Middle East</border>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
      <border>Iberia</border>
      <border>UK</border>
      <border>Scandinavia</border>
      <border>European Russia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>198</smallx>
      <smally>71</smally>
      <largex>299</largex>
      <largey>96</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>European Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Central Europe</border>
      <border>Scandinavia</border>
      <border>Siberia</border>
      <border>Central Asia</border>
      <border>Middle East</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>225</smallx>
      <smally>62</smally>
      <largex>340</largex>
      <largey>82</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>UK</border>
      <border>Central Europe</border>
      <border>European Russia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>184</smallx>
      <smally>50</smally>
      <largex>278</largex>
      <largey>64</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Northern Africa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iberia</border>
      <border>Central Europe</border>
      <border>Middle East</border>
      <border>Eastern Africa</border>
      <border>Central Africa</border>
      <border>Western Africa</border>
      <border>Colombia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>192</smallx>
      <smally>100</smally>
      <largex>290</largex>
      <largey>139</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Western Africa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
      <border>Central Africa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>168</smallx>
      <smally>134</smally>
      <largex>254</largex>
      <largey>190</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Central Africa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Western Africa</border>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
      <border>Eastern Africa</border>
      <border>Southern Africa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>199</smallx>
      <smally>145</smally>
      <largex>301</largex>
      <largey>207</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Eastern Africa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
      <border>Central Africa</border>
      <border>Middle East</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>228</smallx>
      <smally>133</smally>
      <largex>344</largex>
      <largey>189</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Southern Africa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Central Africa</border>
      <border>Madagascar</border>
      <border>Enderby</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>183</smally>
      <largex>308</largex>
      <largey>264</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Madagascar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Southern Africa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>247</smallx>
      <smally>177</smally>
      <largex>373</largex>
      <largey>255</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Middle East</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Eastern Africa</border>
      <border>Northern Africa</border>
      <border>Central Europe</border>
      <border>European Russia</border>
      <border>Central Asia</border>
      <border>India</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>229</smallx>
      <smally>94</smally>
      <largex>346</largex>
      <largey>130</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Central Asia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>India</border>
      <border>Middle East</border>
      <border>European Russia</border>
      <border>Siberia</border>
      <border>China</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>257</smallx>
      <smally>84</smally>
      <largex>388</largex>
      <largey>115</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Siberia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>European Russia</border>
      <border>Central Asia</border>
      <border>China</border>
      <border>Sakha</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>269</smallx>
      <smally>55</smally>
      <largex>406</largex>
      <largey>72</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sakha</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Siberia</border>
      <border>China</border>
      <border>Japan</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>349</smallx>
      <smally>49</smally>
      <largex>526</largex>
      <largey>63</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Japan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sakha</border>
      <border>China</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>363</smallx>
      <smally>88</smally>
      <largex>547</largex>
      <largey>121</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>China</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Central Asia</border>
      <border>Siberia</border>
      <border>Sakha</border>
      <border>Japan</border>
      <border>Thailand</border>
      <border>India</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>307</smallx>
      <smally>90</smally>
      <largex>463</largex>
      <largey>124</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>India</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Middle East</border>
      <border>Central Asia</border>
      <border>China</border>
      <border>Thailand</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>275</smallx>
      <smally>111</smally>
      <largex>415</largex>
      <largey>156</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Thailand</name>
   <borders>
      <border>India</border>
      <border>China</border>
      <border>Indonesia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>309</smallx>
      <smally>121</smally>
      <largex>466</largex>
      <largey>171</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Indonesia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Thailand</border>
      <border>Philippines</border>
      <border>New Guinea</border>
      <border>Australia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>321</smallx>
      <smally>151</smally>
      <largex>484</largex>
      <largey>216</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Philippines</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Indonesia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>358</smallx>
      <smally>129</smally>
      <largex>539</largex>
      <largey>183</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>New Guinea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Indonesia</border>
      <border>Australia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>379</smallx>
      <smally>140</smally>
      <largex>571</largex>
      <largey>199</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Australia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Indonesia</border>
      <border>New Guinea</border>
      <border>New Zealand</border>
      <border>Enderby</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>338</smallx>
      <smally>176</smally>
      <largex>509</largex>
      <largey>253</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>New Zealand</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Australia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>379</smallx>
      <smally>216</smally>
      <largex>571</largex>
      <largey>313</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
</map>

[waauw]

In my opinion it's perfect. What we need is active Cartography volunteers to get this into beta.

[waauw]

Having another look at it, I wonder whether the bonuses shouldn't be changed:

• North America has 5 territories and 2 borders while receiving +3, whilst Oceania has the same number of borders and territories but only receives +2.
• Asia has vastly more territories and borders, it's bonus difference with Europe and Africa should be higher.

I also think Thailand should be called Indochina to refer to the entire peninsula rather than one country out of several.

[DoomYoshi]

The weird thing that there is a game called Small World, which the map Krazy Kingdoms was obviously based on. The two names would cause confusion.

[Gilligan]

The weird thing that there is a game called Small World, which the map Krazy Kingdoms was obviously based on. The two names would cause confusion.

I own Small World, and I don't think there would be any confusion. Krazy Kingdoms is not called Small World in any context.

[ManBungalow]

Hi MrBenn/Gilligan, sorry it's taken forever to get this map looked at! Gameplay looks pretty sound to me, let's try get it moving through the process a little bit with a stamp!



Comments:

- with the army numbers (888) on the regions, it's not 100% clear on the small map if East Africa connects to Middle East....this could possibly be fixed just by an XML change and not a graphical change (though moving the region name around and swapping it with the 888 could be simple enough?), especially if we aim just to have 88 and not 888 fit in that region for practical purposes

- graphics also look good to me, but I'll leave it a few days to see if anybody comments, and will give the stamp out if nothing comes up

Having another look at it, I wonder whether the bonuses shouldn't be changed:

• North America has 5 territories and 2 borders while receiving +3, whilst Oceania has the same number of borders and territories but only receives +2.
• Asia has vastly more territories and borders, it's bonus difference with Europe and Africa should be higher.

I've been thinking about these two points, and actually I'm happy with the bonuses as they are. North America actually has 3 borders to defend, so a +3 bonus is fine. Asia doesn't have many entry points, especially as it doesn't connect to Alaska, and is even easier to defend if you hold E E Russia. So +5 is reasonable and not game-breaking either.

[waauw]

I've been thinking about these two points, and actually I'm happy with the bonuses as they are. North America actually has 3 borders to defend, so a +3 bonus is fine.

Nope, I wasn't entirely certain myself so I read the XML. Mexico and USA are the only ones bordering the outside.

[ManBungalow]

I've been thinking about these two points, and actually I'm happy with the bonuses as they are. North America actually has 3 borders to defend, so a +3 bonus is fine.

Nope, I wasn't entirely certain myself so I read the XML. Mexico and USA are the only ones bordering the outside.

Right, my mistake, I was looking at the maps in the first post!

@mapmakers, point up for discussion here, but some options anyway:

1) change USA from +3 to +2
2) change Oz from +2 to +3 (may also require tweaking other bonuses)
3) add the connection from Greenland to Europe back in

You have my permission to do any of these things even after the GP stamp.

[MrBenn]

I've been thinking about these two points, and actually I'm happy with the bonuses as they are. North America actually has 3 borders to defend, so a +3 bonus is fine.

Nope, I wasn't entirely certain myself so I read the XML. Mexico and USA are the only ones bordering the outside.

Right, my mistake, I was looking at the maps in the first post!

@mapmakers, point up for discussion here, but some options anyway:

1) change USA from +3 to +2
2) change Oz from +2 to +3 (may also require tweaking other bonuses)
3) add the connection from Greenland to Europe back in

You have my permission to do any of these things even after the GP stamp.

The most likely change would be #1

[iancanton]

mrbenn

u might be aware that we're currently seeking players' opinions on the future of the foundry. we know that bW wants to encourage mapmakers to use some of the more advanced features that he has coded. it's also not in dispute that many players believe we have too many maps already. as a result, there will be no more maps quenched for the time being that have classic or near-classic gameplay.

ian.

[Teflon Kris]

quote="iancanton"]mrbenn

u might be aware that we're currently seeking players' opinions on the future of the foundry. we know that bW wants to encourage mapmakers to use some of the more advanced features that he has coded. it's also not in dispute that many players believe we have too many maps already. as a result, there will be no more maps quenched for the time being that have classic or near-classic gameplay.

ian. [/quote]

Leaves us wondering if this map has "more of the advanced features that he has coded", and therefore got a draft stamp, whereas this map didn't even merit feedback?

it's also not in dispute that many players believe we have too many maps already.

A second (no, not the same) question also arises:

How many is 'many'?

And, a third (yes, dinctinctly different again) question also arises:

u might be aware that we're currently seeking players' opinions on the future of the foundry

Given the tumbleweed following a post by blake, how would anyone logically conclude this given the lack of any official statement?


P.S. qwert would have had a field day!

P.P.S. Sorry to shoot the messenger, please pass the bullet on to the secret message-giver

[Teflon Kris]

mrbenn

u might be aware that we're currently seeking players' opinions on the future of the foundry. we know that bW wants to encourage mapmakers to use some of the more advanced features that he has coded. it's also not in dispute that many players believe we have too many maps already. as a result, there will be no more maps quenched for the time being that have classic or near-classic gameplay.

ian.

Leaves us wondering if this map has "more of the advanced features that he has coded", and therefore got a draft stamp, whereas this map didn't even merit feedback?

it's also not in dispute that many players believe we have too many maps already.

A second (no, not the same) question also arises:

How many is 'many'?

And, a third (yes, dinctinctly different again) question also arises:

u might be aware that we're currently seeking players' opinions on the future of the foundry

Given the tumbleweed following a post by blake, how would anyone logically conclude this given the lack of any official statement?

qwert would have a field day!