Another FARMING thread

[Woodruff]

Or, make it so that you can play unranked games, in which score has absolutely no factor in who you play against.

Which brings up an excellent point. The site's excuse for not allowing unranked games is that they don't want people to be able to practice on maps and get good at them without it affecting their actual rank. Well that's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life...that's like telling an NFL team that they can't practice and can ONLY play in the regular season games. Does that actually make sense to anyone? I mean...so what if someone practices enough to get good? If you don't like it because now they're better than you on the map, well...there's a way to fix that, you know!

Just one more instance of the stupidity of those in charge of this site causing it to have far less enjoyment for many people.

As you may be able to tell, I definitely think that unranked games should be allowed, which would eliminate the ONLY problem with this solution.

That would, but it brings up another problem: I can get to 6k score, then play nothing but unranked games and just have 1 build game to keep me on the scoreboard. Sure, people have done that before, but most who have quit from boredom.

I don't have a problem as it in no way affects me, but it's been brought up before so you'd have to come up with something. Nice idea with the unranked games, though.

My feeling is...if someone wants to bother to do that, that's their call. Honestly, I just see that as an imaginary problem (in other words, it's really not one). If their ego is fed only by a score on a scoreboard that they're not actually competing for, then they have far more serious problems anyway.

[MrMoody]

Specifically though, you should be looking for the thread that is initiated by a post describing the method of "rank segregating" based on the percentage of the game initiator's score. I don't remember the specifics, but let's pretend it was 50%. Based on that, if a player with a rank of 3,000 started the game, anyone from 1500 through 4500 could join whereas if a player of 900 started the game, then only players from 450 through 1350 could join. And if a conqueror with a score of 5069 started the game, then only players with a rank of 2535 would be able to join (still leaving 250+ players to join their games).

This method would eliminate the entire possibility of farming WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ensuring that newbies/cooks/cadets have reasonably competitive games that will further their enjoyment of the site, causing them to be more likely to invest in it. But that suggestion has been ignored, as so many great ones are around this place. Meanwhile, we get nuclear-freaking-spoils and reorganizations of the screens.

This does NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO ELIMINATING FARMING. Set the range any way you like. Those who still have new recruits in there range can and will farm to reach the next level. The only members it will stop from farming are higher ranks. The idea it will "ensure that newbies/cooks/cadets have reasonably competitive games that will further their enjoyment of the site". Backwards logic at best. A less skilled player is more likely to make a bad move in a game. Lower ranks should be happy they get bad moves made against them more often? Just how would getting suicided into or noobed more often further enjoyment.
I looked in suggs&buggs and read this suggestion. First of all it calls for this restriction to be an option. You could adjust the limits or set it for no limits. Any farmer will just set this for a limit just under 1000 points. Still setting up his games and wait for new recruits to fill them. What is suggested will have no effect on farming.

This is only rank segregation. Something "cc" (admin) has said they don't want. We can go into the same old "but they already do segregate" argument. Public games should be just that, public.

[Woodruff]

Specifically though, you should be looking for the thread that is initiated by a post describing the method of "rank segregating" based on the percentage of the game initiator's score. I don't remember the specifics, but let's pretend it was 50%. Based on that, if a player with a rank of 3,000 started the game, anyone from 1500 through 4500 could join whereas if a player of 900 started the game, then only players from 450 through 1350 could join. And if a conqueror with a score of 5069 started the game, then only players with a rank of 2535 would be able to join (still leaving 250+ players to join their games).

This method would eliminate the entire possibility of farming WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ensuring that newbies/cooks/cadets have reasonably competitive games that will further their enjoyment of the site, causing them to be more likely to invest in it. But that suggestion has been ignored, as so many great ones are around this place. Meanwhile, we get nuclear-freaking-spoils and reorganizations of the screens.

This does NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO ELIMINATING FARMING. Set the range any way you like. Those who still have new recruits in there range can and will farm to reach the next level. The only members it will stop from farming are higher ranks.

Allow me to extrapolate for a moment. Let's say that using this setup, someone is farming, which will then raise their score (that being the whole point of farming, after all). LONG before they can reach their desired point in rank (presuming they're not "farming to become a captain" or something silly like that), they will no longer be able to farm. Therefore, the entire impetus and motivation for farming no longer exists.

The idea it will "ensure that newbies/cooks/cadets have reasonably competitive games that will further their enjoyment of the site". Backwards logic at best. A less skilled player is more likely to make a bad move in a game. Lower ranks should be happy they get bad moves made against them more often? Just how would getting suicided into or noobed more often further enjoyment.

An interesting form of logic on your part. Allow me to extrapolate once again. It is your contention that a newbie/cook/cadet will have to suffer through endless games of bad moves because they are playing against newbies/cooks/cadets. And yet, if this person is actually a better player than a newbie/cook/cadet, they will SWIFTLY use these bad moves against their opponents, quickly putting themselves into a position that they would no longer be stuck playing said newbies/cooks/cadets. Thus, the newbies/cooks/cadets making the bad moves remain at their lower level while the not-really-newbies/cooks/cadets rise above them, giving themselves the opportunity to play against more skilled opponents in quite a short amount of time. I would suggest then that you are not following through your own logic to...it's logical conclusion.

I looked in suggs&buggs and read this suggestion. First of all it calls for this restriction to be an option. You could adjust the limits or set it for no limits. Any farmer will just set this for a limit just under 1000 points. Still setting up his games and wait for new recruits to fill them. What is suggested will have no effect on farming.

So because it is suggested as an option means that it must be taken as an option? You seem to be stuck in linear thinking...bring out your flexibility of thought and mind, MrMoody! Set yourself free!

This is only rank segregation. Something "cc" (admin) has said they don't want. We can go into the same old "but they already do segregate" argument. Public games should be just that, public.

This is NOT "only rank segregation" and quite honestly only someone who is unable to think critically would see it that way. However, if that remains the site's policy, then the site should remove ALL sanctions against farming, because they ARE LITERALLY PROMOTING FARMING by leaving things as they are. Again, the site is attempting to have things both ways, and by doing so are only pissing off the paying customers at large (not an intelligent business strategy).

[BigBallinStalin]

The Romans had this great idea of ending farming. After crushing the Carthaginians, they then marched over to Carthage and dumped massive amounts of salt in their fields.

May I suggest that for every farmer who gets caught, we dump massive amounts of very fine salt upon his person and then film his brutal demise.

[pimpdave]

Farming was invented at McGill University in 1864.

[alex951]

how about just segregation ?'s maybe a rang of 1-1500?

[ronsizzle]

new recruits are joining my montreal games at alarming rates. they start less than 24 hrs after you start the game, and all noobies.

[Woodruff]

new recruits are joining my montreal games at alarming rates. they start less than 24 hrs after you start the game, and all noobies.

Which, according to this site's retarded stance, means you are farming. HOW DARE YOU allow those noobs to join your games, even though you can do nothing to stop it!

[Army of GOD]

Someone stop colton! He's farming me on cheap maps that I've never played before!!

[jefjef]

new recruits are joining my montreal games at alarming rates. they start less than 24 hrs after you start the game, and all noobies.

Well in this instance I support Neon Peon's view of BANNING the farmer. BYE BYE ronc2444.

[PepeAtila]

I post a solution to decrease new recruits and they send it to Sugestions.
Mainly is to make a 'game zone' exclusively for Recruits and Cooks. I think it is not good 'first experience' to find some officer stealing your points.
But also the Recruits should begin with 500 points(no 1000) and while they are Recruits take extra-points finishing the games without being kicked out.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 4&t=104736

[Mr Changsha]

The trouble with this is that if you REALLY limit the games NR's can join then the NR's will find themselves in 5 man standards with 3 deadbeats...as the percentage of NR's that do deadbeat must be over 50%. The NR's that actually are interested in playing the game will obviously think the site is crap and go off to landgrab (or wherever). If the solution then is to limit NR's to playing, say, sergeants and below, then the obvious result would be to seriously piss off our paying lower orders, as they would then find an unhealthily large number of deadbeats in their games.

So what's the solution??

Not a clue!


Anyway, I hope everyone had a very merry xmas. In the land of the red flag I pretty much ignore the entire festival, though I did spend the last few days smashed, and missed a fair few CC turns as a result!!

[The Neon Peon]

Solution:
1. Remove all restrictions on the games new recruits can join.
2. Hide all games to new recruits that already have more than 1 new recruit in them.

Problem solved.

[BigBallinStalin]

how about just segregation ?'s maybe a rang of 1-1500?

Racist...

[Army of GOD]

how about just segregation ?'s maybe a rang of 1-1500?

Racist...

It's actually called rankist.

[Woodruff]

Solution:
1. Remove all restrictions on the games new recruits can join.
2. Hide all games to new recruits that already have more than 1 new recruit in them.

Problem solved.

I would make it "already have 1 new recruit in them"...I don't think we need two in a game, personally.

[alex951]

Solution:
1. Remove all restrictions on the games new recruits can join.
2. Hide all games to new recruits that already have more than 1 new recruit in them.

Problem solved.

I would make it "already have 1 new recruit in them"...I don't think we need two in a game, personally.

This might work but what if two friend that are new want to play each other or if a premium want to teach his friends in a three way game

[The Neon Peon]

Solution:
1. Remove all restrictions on the games new recruits can join.
2. Hide all games to new recruits that already have more than 1 new recruit in them.

Problem solved.

I would make it "already have 1 new recruit in them"...I don't think we need two in a game, personally.

This might work but what if two friend that are new want to play each other or if a premium want to teach his friends in a three way game

You can play 5 doodle rt games with both of them in 20 minutes then do whatever you want. Besides, I think this will come up once per 2000 users.

[BigBallinStalin]

how about just segregation ?'s maybe a rang of 1-1500?

Racist...

It's actually called rankist.

You're the rank-ass.

[alex951]

Solution:
1. Remove all restrictions on the games new recruits can join.
2. Hide all games to new recruits that already have more than 1 new recruit in them.

Problem solved.

I would make it "already have 1 new recruit in them"...I don't think we need two in a game, personally.

This might work but what if two friend that are new want to play each other or if a premium want to teach his friends in a three way game

You can play 5 doodle rt games with both of them in 20 minutes then do whatever you want. Besides, I think this will come up once per 2000 users.

i'm liking the idea

[Army of GOD]

how about just segregation ?'s maybe a rang of 1-1500?

Racist...

It's actually called rankist.

You're the rank-ass.

You're a big-IT