Warsteiner and strakkebillen [blocked]

[Thai Robert]

Do the math: Losing 0 games = losing 0 points!
And the past is not relevant. You're having secret alliances NOW
I know there's no need to communicate anymore with Strakkebillen to form an alliance. You know eachother well. The point is that others that joined the game don't. So you need to inform them as well.

[Warsteiner]

Do the math: Losing 0 games = losing 0 points!
And the past is not relevant. You're having secret alliances NOW

I was referring to the one game I lost from him (lost 60p or so?). You're avoiding all my arguments and still giving your own.. pathetic, try discuss on a serious level or don't talk at all please

I didn't know I was on 15-1 beating him up to now tho it's nice to tease him with

I didnt win all the games we were both in btw.. Many games were won by others.. Only strakkebillen has only won once yet, but look at his records he barely ever wins freestyle 6 player games does he? It's cause he sucks in those.. Not very surprising A score like 15-1 pops up then is it?
I've been looking at my games now too. I have indeed won a lot when he was in too, I see that now, but well as you can see I've been winning like 80% of my games lately with or without strakkebillen in the game. So that's not that surprising. There are more players that have been in the same game with me dozens of times and never won, which I don't even know personally.. It's all bullshit arguments.

IRT your edit: as said any truce we have in our games IS ANNOUNCED in game chat. If nothing is announced we don't have a truce. We could as well talk on MSN or IRL and such.. but because we don't want to be cheaters we announce everything in gamechat when we do form truces or ask eachother to move..

I don't form anymore truces with him than with any other player. It's the nature of the games I play as Risktaker said.

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So you're saying I should post in every game when I'm familiar with a player or more players in the game? Damn I will be posting it atleast once or twice every game then.. I know a lot of players either IRL, personally or from CC. :/ Many from CC who play the same games I do, I have many in my MSN contacts so we can play doubs if we like to.. is that cheating too? If so the rules of this game are bs >.<

[Thai Robert]

If nothing is announced it's called a secret truce. Get it? Because the 2 of you know, you can trust eachother.

[Warsteiner]

If nothing is announced it's called a secret truce. Get it?

Not if we don't work together? START READING MY POST FFS!

You're starting to annoy me big time you know. You're just doing this to get me upset? or do you really believe what you say is true?

[Thai Robert]

Can you prove that? (Not the upsetting part...)

[Warsteiner]

Can you prove that? (Not the upsetting part...)

That if I have a truce with someone I announce it in game chat? Sure i can, look at all my games. I ask things and truces all the time. Then look in to the games with strakkebillen and see I ask him the same things when appropriate. And when nothing is said you can clearly see there's no truce performed either. Then see there's no difference at all between games with him and the games without him and see I'm clean.

Thank you.

[Thai Robert]

Maybe you should apply to become a mod? Good luck!

[Warsteiner]

what's your point?

[Thai Robert]

Hey, wake up! If you were a mod you could clear yourself...

[Warsteiner]

I already sent in a ticket to ask to check me up

[krusher]

Warsteiner your full of crap man, its clearly int he rules that Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat, in English or in a language all players understand. if you were speaking in Dutch which is something that only you and your little friend understand its just as much of a secret alliance as if you were talking to your friend on msn.... none of the guys on your game understood what you and you're friend were saying to each other so yes it was a secret alliance... no different then what me and Jesus had going on except we spoke on MSN... the thing about joining games without even asking you're friend to join its the same thing that me and Jesus and Irish did, most of the time we didnt even talk to each other and just joined speed games when we saw each other in the games we knew the drill (Dont attack me, lets kill the other guys) thats the same thing you and you're friend are doing when you both join games knowing that you should attack the other guy before fighting each other.... now tell me is that fair to the other guy who knows nothing of whats going on and does not understand what you guys are saying? its as if you were both speaking on MSN either ways he wont have a clue whats going on.... so yes Warsteiner you did cheat and you are cheating now, and he should recieve same punishment as any other cheater, and by the way it does not matter if you gained or lost points through the alliance the point of the matter is that you had a secret alliance or atleast a mutual understanding not to attack each other. Same punishment should be given to this cheater Score Reset, Striped of membership and blocked from playing with his cheating buddy.

[Warsteiner]

I'm not cheating, you should read my posts.. we fight eachother as we woudl fight ANYONE that isnt cheating then is it?

I know half the CC players that play freestyle. I should tell i tin any game when i recognise the name? That's bullshit isnt it?

we do NOT attack other guys before attacking eachother. LOOK AT THE DAMN LOGS??!!?!?!?!

I mostly even like to kill him first cause I like to beat my friends. Same with all the other guys i Know.. I rahter kill prankcall first before others, or poo maker.. same shit

we do make truces in GAMECHAT as I make with EVERYONE i play.


--> Btw: that Dutch talking was MONTHS ago when I was still a corporal.. I didn't even know that wasnt allowed. We got warned for that. After that I've played 100% fair

[firth4eva]

Warsteiner is a cheat

[Warsteiner]

For your information I reported myself so I can be cleared asap. When I'm cleared I do demand you to remove your negative feedback from me as it's complete bullshit.

[Blitzaholic]

Warning sent.

If if happens again, report it here and they will be blocked from playing together.

what happened and if anything, did it happen again?

[Thai Robert]

What happened was that Warsteiner and Strakkebillen were having unannounced alliances in October, or announcing it in Dutch.

And though the Dutch chatting has halted on CC. The unannounced alliances are continuing about 1 month after their warning.

The following research is based on the period between Sully's warning and the next accusation (Oct 22 - Dec 4). The period in which Warsteiner still thought he could get away with the warning:

In all these games no alliance was announced (and none were left out):

6-players:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1323479 0 3
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1311052 1 3
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1309927 0 4
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1309715 0 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1302935 0 3

Strakkebillen managed to attack Warsteiner just ONCE in the first 3 rounds while he managed to attack others 15 times. That's 3x the average.

5-players:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1310304 0 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1243131 0 3
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1225792 0 3

In these games Strakkebillen didn't manage to strike at Warsteiner at all in the first 3 rounds. But did attack others 8 times.

4-players:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1303405 1 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1280318 0 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1280225 0 8

In these games Strakkebillen attacked Warsteiner again just once. But attacked others 12 times in the first 3 rounds. 4x the average!

Now do the probability calculation and see how likely this is.

I've only counted the first 3 rounds because in later stages, it happens that Warsteiner is already superior and no harm can be done anymore. Or the opposite where Warsteiner will loose no matter what Strakkebillen will do. In the first 3 rounds the game's still open and Strakkebillen will have to be careful about attacking Warsteiner. It's clear Strakkebillen serves Warsteiner. Not the other way around...

[Warsteiner]

well I don't ask him anything IRL or via msn, what he does is mere his responsibility I did not know any of this facts until I read them here. Btw you've never played escalating have you? the facts you state about being superior are complete bullshit. As said the only truces we make are said in GAMECHAT. Apart from that I have no control over his actions whatsoever do I?
Also ALMOST Nobody attacks me the first few turns.. you know why?? In freestyle games people attack the 1 army countries that people left behind for a card. Hence I almost NEVER leave behind 1 army countries it's not surprising is it?
If you do NOT know how to play freestyle and how high ranking players work in these games, do NOT speculate. thank you

Seeing approx 10 games, compared to like 30 we played in the same game, this kind of tackles your argument that it can't be coinsedence. You only post the games in which this 'not attacking' happened didnt you?
You didnt post the 1on1 he won from me or the games we constantly attacked eachother? great research.

You can find this kind of 'evidence' about every 2 random players that played like 30 games together, im sure there's a 10 games or so in which some little attacking happened. It's called coinsedence AND in my case strategy as I don't leave behind easy cards mostly.

Moreover: Why would I need someone to help me? Check all the games I play and how many I win >.<


That we know eachother doesn't make us cheaters.

"col·lu·sion

A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose."

Nothing of the kind happened, so either you all see invisible rules or I'm just right and clean.

If you want to make it a fellony to play with people you know that should become a rule.

[Thai Robert]

I didn't leave any games out. These were all the games you played with Strakkebillen this period without declaring an alliance.

As for the single 1v1 you've played, I must admit Strakkebillen did attack you! How stupid of mine not to include this in my research
Maybe there was just no one else to attack?

[Warsteiner]

I'm quite sure we played more games..

Ah well; If he were my ally why would he win from me in that 1vs1 then? I lost tonns of points.

You should read my post before this one more carefully, I guess you do not know how freestyle speed works and how I play. If you would do more of your brilliant research you would see it's all quite logical. As said if we had a truce it was announced. He likes to beat me as much as anyone and vice versa (proven in the 1vs1 and the game he won recently) he just isn't as good as I am obviously and he deadbeats most of his games or loses interest as he's playing poker (quite good at it too) 24/7 which means he can't be 100% focussed on freestyle games.

I also find it very striking that the only one seeing this is you while I see nobody complain who actually plays against me, not during the game, not after.

[Thai Robert]

Because he is not your multi. He has his own identity. And there was just no one else to attack but you. And go do your research. These were the only games you've played.

And umm, I didn't start this thread. You got a warning, remember?

[Warsteiner]

Dude if he would be here only to help me he wouldnt take a 1vs1 win to strip my points. So obviously he's NOT there to help me and NOT my ally.

Btw: ROFL you posted Age of Might games! haha. In Age of Might I always lay back (BEHIND NEUTRALS) and wait until people attack eachother then jump in and conquer them all. He couldn't have attacked me as I was protected behind Neutrals. If you look at the game logs almost NOBODY attacked me the first 3 rounds, apart from the one I eliminated that round ofc they mostly try one more strike. Strakkebillen mostly is too impatient to play freestyle (as you can see in all his game logs) and in Age of Might that kills you. I believe he has given up on those games now too. As you can see I often even eliminated him first in those games, that's not nothing to do at all with alliances

When we got the warning he was away from home in Amsterdam (where he lives most of the time now), didnt see him for a long while so we started talking in dutch. Just some good old fun game we played and then when the other players started whining I translated what I said in dutch to them in English to make it fair. I didn't know I was commiting a foul back then by speaking dutch.. We weren't collaborating in that game either. All he said was smthing like "don't deploy in brazil that wouldnt be smart as that would put you within my army zone, better go to europe" It's surely not a truce as I would do what my common sense says against him not what he wants me to. I was never forming truces back then anyhow (check games if you wish)

To prove Strakkebillen was trying to win that game himself:
"2007-10-21 11:39:57 - strakkebillen: gvd was gewoon ronde te vroeg, kut dices had 10+"

Translated: "Damn it I was one round too early, shit dice I had 10+ armies"

which was when he was trying to eliminate someone, if he did he would've won that game.

[Thai Robert]

I'm only concerned with the last 3 weeks. What happened in October has already been investigated and judged upon.

Now, maybe you know, maybe you don't about Krushergate. And how BlackIrish has been regarded as a "helper". I guess you know since you at least played one game with both of them in it. (How fishy...)

BlackIrish didn't gain any of it, and was cleared. He just liked playing with Krusher, because it was relatively safe. First of all losing to Krusher is only losing very few points. And Krusher promised to give him the game, if Krusher didn't stand a chance of winning, letting BlackIrish reaping big time.

This is the sort of agreement you're probably in. Of course this doesn't apply to 1v1, the fairest way of playing. Although even these games can be used in a way. For instance if one feels like sharing a lot of points that were recently won. One could throw a game to his partner.
You see, Another possible explanation!

But that's a little off-topic. Fact is that others liked to attack you in the first rounds but Strakkebillen didn't.

[Warsteiner]

I do NOT have ANY agreement with strakkebillen about anything. If he likes to attack others it's his fault, I have no control whatsoever over him and do not attempt to control him either.

I played many games with Krusher and BlackIrish. I myself have been one of the guys trying to get him banned. I messaged Comic boy about more possible allies of Krusher and I have yelled at Krusher for working together with SkeletonsOfDeath.
You're fishing in the complete dark and only making a fool out of yourself. What I don't like is that you're spoiling my name with this topic. I already have some positive feedbacks removed and a neg added. When I'm cleared (which I will be obviously) I want a public apology from you

Anything else?

[Thai Robert]

Fresh data, just in:

In the 6-player games that you've played, Strakkebillen attacked you just once. Others attacked you 13 times. If everybody had played the same as Strakkebillen you would have been attacked only 5 times.

In the 5-player games Strakkebillen did not attack you. Others did attack you 5 times. Not a lot but more than Strakkebillen did.

In the 4-playergames Others attacked you 13 times, where as Strakkebillen managed only 1 attack.

Freestyle Esc. isn't preventing you from being attacked as you claim. Dream on. Only people like Strakkebillen around you, can save you. That is until you're blocked. Or until everybody puts you on their ignore list...
Do you know that your list of neg. feedback is double as long as Krusher's? And that it was produced in less time?

[Warsteiner]

dude read what i said you fool. The 6 player games you're referring too are age of might games