JMRL & Thomas J. [cleared]

[chenyia1]

These are suspected Multis/Secret Alliance (suspect both)

Suspect users: JMRL, Thomas J.

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1290017

Comments: I know they are paid user, but they did not declare alliance, and gang up against everyone. They only declare after we found out. They put like 5 army at each other's boarder, and never attack each other. Once we smell something fishy, and tell them. Then, they declare alliance....


<chenyia1>

[AAFitz]

well, thomas J is my dad... i can promise you he would never make a secret alliance...

I cant however promise you his play isnt interesting at times. However, he has a very high level of integrity, bordering on obsessive so I can say definitively, there was no cheating.

I didnt look at the game, and it wouldnt surprise me if the moves were, well.. not what I might expect.. but even without looking, im sure they never talked, until they announced it in chat... I wont defend his play till I look at the game. Hes only out to have some fun in here, and though I havent seen his score in a while, I know its not on the high end.

Ill check it out further....give me a minute

[AAFitz]

Alright, didnt take long to size this one up... this game isnt close to being over, and it started out with so much talk its almost ridiculous... they were clearly simply building without fighting, which I litterally have advised my Dad to try out... and if I saw this many alliances, I wouldnt attack anyone myself... once he sees you question him, he decides fine, if you want us to have a truce we will... its fairly obvious they had nothing before that... or at least I think thats the case... but heres the chat....

i believe he didnt want a truce, and is making one because of the amount of alliance making, and talking..

I could be wrong.. .ill ask him now


chenyia1: Pink, I suggest you to take Far East
2007-11-30 22:17:38 - chenyia1: because I am going to have 8+bonus 10 army next round
2007-11-30 22:19:18 - chenyia1: If you think you can defense australia after you take it back, you go ahead, but you are looking strong in Far East too
2007-11-30 22:19:29 - chenyia1: Just suggestion ^^
2007-12-01 07:45:26 - SajFaz: blue i have no intrest in la plata or central america
2007-12-02 09:06:17 - SajFaz: thats fine blue logical move for move would be to move away, but i will not!
2007-12-02 09:06:40 - SajFaz: thats fine blue logical move for would be for me tp move away, but i will not!
2007-12-02 09:08:10 - SajFaz: i wanted to deal as green is building a strong base, your move to not deal with me is both a short and long term error
2007-12-02 12:27:20 - SajFaz: I was not going to anything to green, however by fighting each other green who is already strong will get stronger
2007-12-03 14:53:32 - drunkenmarauder: no, see, i know i've lost this game already thanks to you. might as well make it painful as possible before i go
2007-12-03 14:54:53 - drunkenmarauder: losing 10 units in a row isn't really helping me do that though
2007-12-04 01:43:08 - chenyia1: well, i warn you to leave australia already
2007-12-04 01:43:19 - chenyia1: so don't blame me for your poor playing
2007-12-04 13:48:53 - drunkenmarauder: poor playing? i wouldn't call bad luck poor playing.
2007-12-04 13:49:38 - drunkenmarauder: ahh, if only we were able to come to some sort of arrangement
2007-12-04 17:19:46 - chenyia1: ^^
2007-12-04 17:23:04 - chenyia1: pink, i think that exactly what we should do, blue and red stop fighting each other
2007-12-04 17:23:33 - chenyia1: yellow has 10 bonus already !!!!
2007-12-04 17:37:09 - SajFaz: blue i am ready stop fighting how about you
2007-12-04 21:16:17 - drunkenmarauder: so how's about you let me have indonesia, i'll stop being a thorn in your paw, i'll still be more or less in the game, but you can tell me where to not deploy and such?
2007-12-05 04:45:41 - SajFaz: such a great deal, and were would I go.
2007-12-05 04:47:27 - SajFaz: i left you a present you deserve it.
2007-12-05 05:53:56 - chenyia1: sure, man, u can have it
2007-12-05 05:58:18 - chenyia1: i will lighten up my australia a bit so i can expand, you focus getting indonesia and the northern border.
2007-12-05 19:36:04 - drunkenmarauder: damn, yellow, you're doing well
2007-12-05 20:50:12 - chenyia1: i don't know why teal is not attacking yellow ???
2007-12-05 20:51:47 - chenyia1: i think they sort of have mutual agreement, i am guessing
2007-12-06 12:40:49 - Thomas J.: Yellow, did you see that we must declare a truce I guess that they have seen us building up against each other there. so if you are willing to agree to no invasion between each other in North and South America until say round 15.OK by you?
2007-12-06 12:54:32 - Thomas J.: Oh! things chaange fast how about between russia and china/india also? Same round? If you agree. you can still take chille
2007-12-06 12:55:05 - Thomas J.: terra and the claims
2007-12-06 12:56:39 - Thomas J.: I wish that they had not pushed this, but things go as they go.
2007-12-06 14:32:08 - chenyia1: you guys should tell earlier..... this is not good
2007-12-06 14:34:35 - chenyia1: pink i will let you have australia next round
2007-12-06 14:35:03 - chenyia1: red, take the horn
2007-12-06 14:36:00 - chenyia1: I will try to take down south america, pink I need your help to do some damage to yellow in asia
2007-12-06 14:36:41 - chenyia1: (pink, don't worry, I have 10 bonus card)
2007-12-06 15:09:55 - drunkenmarauder: i hate this game
2007-12-06 15:10:26 - drunkenmarauder: i had 13v5, it ended up being 1v2. these die blow

[Bartoli]

its the first and only game they are in

[AAFitz]

alrighty, I just talked to him... he confirmed it almost to the letter of what happened...

they never talked once... TJ only announced made a truce because you told him too.... so there is absolutely no cheating... and actually I dont blame either yellow, or teal for not attacking, with so many alliances going on....

I was slightly nervous that yellow may even haved pmed TJ, but not even that happened... my guess is, if you werent making so many alliances, and dictating so many moves that werent necessary, they would be demolishing each other as we speak....

Anyways.. dont worry about secret alliances... but do worry that they are both much stronger

Technically there isnt even an alliance of any kind, because im thinking yellow is laughing at the entire chat, and just waiting to take everyone down...

Ironically there would never have been any alliance at all if you didnt accuse them of one and make so many yourself....

I can tell by the chat that much of this might be ignored, and possibly not even understood, but I wouldnt put much more energy into it, and Id focus on trying to survive in that game... Also, i recommend you apologize to yellow. I guaranteed he is annoyed. Dont worry about my Dad though.. he'll let it go, unless you persist...

anyways, good luck with the game

[king achilles]

Just to clarify: JMRL and Thomas J. are cleared from being multis. As Bartoli mentioned, this is their first and only game together so far. Armies are guarded around their borders plus AAFitz has said enough to explain things for them.