Should people be allowed to have guns?

[reverend_kyle]

as far as snakes go we've got it easy the only poisonous snake that actually lives in our area is the copperhead and I don't see any of them. Plus we have plenty of king snakes (one in my back yard is about 10') around to kill them.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU LET THOSE LOOSE ON A PLANE!


oh and to add to the discussion, yes second ammendment.. there should be regulations dealing with guns though that people must follow.. to avoid columbine like incidents..


after all we were bowling for it.

[thephule77]

It is statistically proven that, where the citizens are allowed to get conceled weapons licenses, there is less crime. Think about it. Where would someone be more likely to commet crime, where the people with guns don't show up 'till ten min. after they're called, or where anyone around you could have a gun and blow your head in self defense?

[gav88111]

no guns, period. I always get a kick about how people go on about "...when this country was founded...". Folks, the sad reality is that the country was founded long before ANY european settlers arrived. It just made it easier to settle when the newcomers had guns and the original natives didn't. Anybody who can seriously defend the issue of guns for all sincerely scares the shit outta me...I guess the same people would try to make an argument for slavery..

[gavin_sidhu]

its not the guns fault people die, its the bullets. I think they should just make bullets heaps expensive.

[strike wolf]

no guns, period. I always get a kick about how people go on about "...when this country was founded...". Folks, the sad reality is that the country was founded long before ANY european settlers arrived. It just made it easier to settle when the newcomers had guns and the original natives didn't. Anybody who can seriously defend the issue of guns for all sincerely scares the shit outta me...I guess the same people would try to make an argument for slavery..

Yes there should be restrictions on guns but you can't just ban them. All that would happen is that groups will get together and start shipping them illegally over tlhe US border like cocaine and other drugs. Next thing U know all the dangerous people have guns but the people who need them for defense won't.

[mightyal]

[Spuzzell]

30,000 Americans die each year because Americans like to kill other Americans. Whether it be for money, power, revenge, or psychosis, Americans will kill each other with knives, guns, poison, and their cars if need be. Ban guns and the death toll won't fall too far.


As far as my opinions on guns I don't like them, i don't personally want to own one. If I ever do own a gun, my child won't find it and shoot his friend with it because unlike some idiot parents i'll actually be responsible and teach the kid about gun safety. How are your kids supposed to know what to do with a gun if you don't teach them. Pointing at them and saying "No" won't work any more than pointing at a dog and saying "Poo on the paper."

Take the guns away from the Americans and the deaths will slow down for a bit, but soon we'll be turning to swords and the toll will go back to normal. Americans are savage and brutal people, and when an American wants to kill someone, they'll do it come hell or high water. They'll do it with a bat, a knife, or a piece of construction equipment. The sheer number of ways that someone can be murdered is a good example why banning guns is hardly a solution to violence.

Sure, a gun makes killing easier, but it's no more a cause of murder than owning a car.

I've never seen more bullshit in my entire life.

Are Americans stupider than the rest of the world? No.

Are Americans more primitive than the rest of the world? No.

Are Americans inherently more homicidal than the rest of the world? No.

The only difference between you and every other civilised country in the world is that we have sane gun control laws. You have 30,000 deaths a year because you make it SO GODAMN EASY to pick up a lethal weapon and end a life.

Guy cut you up at the traffic lights? Every nationality gets pissed and briefly loses control. In England we honk the horn or get out and punch the guy, in the US you have a gun RIGHT THERE, of course you're going to pick it up. Add another to the death count.

There is zero need for most civilians to own a gun. Farmers, yes. Hunters, yes. NRA Republican idiots in a suburban 4 bed? Hell no.

I can't believe you'd try to justify gun ownership by claiming Americans are more savage and brutal than anyone else. Firstly that's bullshit, secondly even if it were true, HOW IS THAT A REASON TO LET WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE POOR SIMPLE VIOLENT MORONS OWN LETHAL WEAPONS?

Insane. Just insane.

[legend_paul]

Guns dont kill people.... Rappers do ?

[Spuzzell]

I think it's totally acceptable to have a gun....depending on where you live.

I live in the city now, and I haven't got much use for one, but when I lived in the country it was almost a necessity.

Once you've seen a few rabid coyotes stumbling foamy mouthed across the road to your home or a mountain lion crawling into the attic space on the top of your house you might feel like you need one too.

However, I feel that a yearly firearms safety course should be a requirement for anyone who owns a gun.

....just my 2 cents

Agree. Farmers and hunters need guns to do their jobs, and annual evalutions of their suitability to own a weapon is vital.

Thats the system in New Zealand, it works.

[Spuzzell]

and really you can get rid of guns but you can't get rid of the people who kill with them.

Yeah, ban guns and you'll have an epidemic of black people pointing their fingers at each other and shouting "bang!", that'll be much worse.

Moron.

[Spuzzell]

Yes there should be restrictions on guns but you can't just ban them. All that would happen is that groups will get together and start shipping them illegally over tlhe US border like cocaine and other drugs. Next thing U know all the dangerous people have guns but the people who need them for defense won't.

Are you even reading other peoples posts? From the very first page.

And don't give me the redneck survivalist shit about "Criminals will just get guns illegally! I wanna have one too. Hyuck hyuck." Every country has criminals! We have crime in England, our criminals sometimes get hold of guns, and our gunshot death statistics are tiny.

[vtmarik]

I've never seen more bullshit in my entire life.

Are Americans stupider than the rest of the world? No.

Yes. A whopping 55% do not support evolution, and it also ranks very poorly in terms of educational standards.

Are Americans more primitive than the rest of the world? No.

Are Americans inherently more homicidal than the rest of the world? No.

I don't know why, but we have insane murder rates compared with Canada. Canadians own guns, yet there death rate is much lower. Odd, isn't it?

The only difference between you and every other civilised country in the world is that we have sane gun control laws. You have 30,000 deaths a year because you make it SO GODAMN EASY to pick up a lethal weapon and end a life.

Guy cut you up at the traffic lights? Every nationality gets pissed and briefly loses control. In England we honk the horn or get out and punch the guy, in the US you have a gun RIGHT THERE, of course you're going to pick it up. Add another to the death count.

That's a bit alarmist don't you think?

There is zero need for most civilians to own a gun. Farmers, yes. Hunters, yes. NRA Republican idiots in a suburban 4 bed? Hell no.

I can't believe you'd try to justify gun ownership by claiming Americans are more savage and brutal than anyone else. Firstly that's bullshit, secondly even if it were true, HOW IS THAT A REASON TO LET WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE POOR SIMPLE VIOLENT MORONS OWN LETHAL WEAPONS?

Insane. Just insane.

I never said that not to ban guns because Americans are violent, I merely said that it wouldn't be any kind of effective solution to violence. Taking away a person's gun won't stop them from killing someone if they've got the desire to kill.

Ask any doctor, they'll tell you to treat the cause of a malady rather than the symptoms. Banning guns won't stop murder any more than banning liquor stopped alcohol sales. Prohibition doesn't work in this country, it only breeds more crime that is more ruthless and more pervasive. When alcohol was banned, a massive criminal network of rumrunners and speakeasies sprung up. If guns were similarly prohibited then you'd see a major spike in illegal arms sales along with an increase in violence and the death toll would slowly rise.

It isn't insanity, it's the reality of the subject.

Yeah, ban guns and you'll have an epidemic of black people pointing their fingers at each other and shouting "bang!", that'll be much worse.

I cannot fathom the kind of logic that produces this kind of answer.

[gavin_sidhu]

Spuzzell wrote:
I've never seen more bullshit in my entire life.

Are Americans stupider than the rest of the world? No.


Yes. A whopping 55% do not support evolution, and it also ranks very poorly in terms of educational standards.

U shouldnt use that as a benchmark of intelligence, evolution is just a theory, just like all religions are theories. Ive learnt the evolution theory and Christianity at school and think both of them is a load of bullshit, but i respect people who believe in either theory and know many of them who are very smart.

[mightyal]

Spuzzell wrote:
I've never seen more bullshit in my entire life.

Are Americans stupider than the rest of the world? No.


Yes. A whopping 55% do not support evolution, and it also ranks very poorly in terms of educational standards.

U shouldnt use that as a benchmark of intelligence, evolution is just a theory, just like all religions are theories. Ive learnt the evolution theory and Christianity at school and think both of them is a load of bullshit, but i respect people who believe in either theory and know many of them who are very smart.

Evolution is a theory in the sense that Gravitation is a theory.
Religions are theories in much the same way that astrology is.

[Econ2000]

bad ppl r just going to get them some other way so u might as well say yes but make them really expensive

[Roger Dodger]

The problem is that people who have guns need to be responsible enough to lock them up. a trigger lock & lockbox. i think is the best way.

the bad guys will always be able to get their hands on a weapon. no matter what.

you can make a weapon out of just about anything. zip guns. shives,shanks... the list is endless

responsible people who have guns have never had a problem.

legality is really only for the honest and responsible. we all know this does not apply to the lawless, depraived and indifferent .
i mean i go to the fishing & hunting shows and, i know for a fact that the hunting organization will even give free locks for your guns & rifles.
so, no excuses for not securing your stuff.

The freedom to bear arms will always be debated and that is a certainty.
the right to protect your home, business & family should be everyones right as long as you follow the rules in whatever city, state, country you live in. everywhere is different.

[OwlLawyer]

Spuzell, I have a simple argument for you.

It is illegal to murder with guns in the US. People still do it.

If you make it illegal to own guns, criminals will still get them.

So now, all you have done is guarantee that a criminal can enter a home with a gun and know he will be the only one with a gun.


Still think guns can be illegal?

Your argument is so idealistic and non-realistic. If it were possible to make guns illegal, and somehow take all guns out of existence immediately, then I would be all for it. But that's impossible. And because criminals will be armed, no matter what, you have to let law abiding citizens arm themselves as well.

It's not an argument for the inherent value of guns, but one based on the reality of the situation.

[reverend_kyle]

Spuzell, I have a simple argument for you.

It is illegal to murder with guns in the US. People still do it.

If you make it illegal to own guns, criminals will still get them.

So now, all you have done is guarantee that a criminal can enter a home with a gun and know he will be the only one with a gun.


Still think guns can be illegal?

Your argument is so idealistic and non-realistic. If it were possible to make guns illegal, and somehow take all guns out of existence immediately, then I would be all for it. But that's impossible. And because criminals will be armed, no matter what, you have to let law abiding citizens arm themselves as well.

It's not an argument for the inherent value of guns, but one based on the reality of the situation.

Truer words could not have been spoken...

[Spuzzell]

Spuzell, I have a simple argument for you.

It is illegal to murder with guns in the US. People still do it.

If you make it illegal to own guns, criminals will still get them.

So now, all you have done is guarantee that a criminal can enter a home with a gun and know he will be the only one with a gun.


Still think guns can be illegal?

Your argument is so idealistic and non-realistic. If it were possible to make guns illegal, and somehow take all guns out of existence immediately, then I would be all for it. But that's impossible. And because criminals will be armed, no matter what, you have to let law abiding citizens arm themselves as well.

It's not an argument for the inherent value of guns, but one based on the reality of the situation.

That's such a ridiculous argument I can't believe I have to rebut it. So no other country has criminals who are armed? Please. Gun crime happens everywhere. The "reality of the situation" is that every country with gun control has a MASSIVELY lower homicide rate rate than the US.

So your non-idealistic and realistic reason for that would be...?

Fact: More guns = more deaths. It's so simple. Take away the legal right to have a gun = less guns = less deaths. And as a side issue, it's far harder for criminals to get armed, and it's far easier for the police to catch and convict anyone who has a weapon.

There are many things to admire about the US, but the idea that an ambiguously worded line in the Constitution means a private citizen has the right to own a weapon for the express purpose of shooting another private citizen is so backwards it would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

Idealistic and non-realistic, huh? I'm just glad that most of the civilised world is then.

[P Gizzle]

the thing to remember is that the 2nd Amendment says that guns are only to protect against invaders. Guns are only to be used in a militia like manner, but i think hunters and recreational shooters who have good backgrounds should be able to have guns as well.

[OwlLawyer]

Fact: More guns = more deaths. It's so simple

Not so much. Check out Switzerland, with a VERY high per capita gun ownership, and VERY low gun crime. It's more a product of the culture, and the education that the people have, then it is a product of guns themselves.

Take away the legal right to have a gun = less guns = less deaths. And as a side issue, it's far harder for criminals to get armed, and it's far easier for the police to catch and convict anyone who has a weapon.

Your entire argument is full of inmitigated assertions, that, idealistically, might be great, but in reality make little sense. So tomorrow, you want to declare, "Firearms are illegal." And now you want all law abiding citizens to turn in their guns, no? Then you expect criminals to turn in their guns, right? See, you might make it more difficult for criminals to get their hands on guns, but you also GUARANTEE them that if they get their hands on one, it will be a lot easier to commit the crime they want with no resistance from the law abiding citizentry.

There are many things to admire about the US, but the idea that an ambiguously worded line in the Constitution means a private citizen has the right to own a weapon for the express purpose of shooting another private citizen is so backwards it would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

Typical rhetoric that has nothing to do with the actual reality. The reality is that gun ownership is valued because it allows people to protect themselves. It also allows for hunting and other activities of the like. Many also want it so that the citizenry can be armed in case another revilution is necesary (most of these people live in shacks in Montana, you can ignore that reason). But it's certainly not intended to allow people to shoot each other at random... that's why we have laws against MURDER.

[P Gizzle]

i dont think we should make law abiding citizens pay for what psychotic freaks do. no matter what the will be death.

[autoload]

How do you think I voted?

[gordon1975]

u should only give responsible people guns,like dick cheney

[thephule77]

STOP FUCKING COMPAIRING US TO OTHER CONTRIES!!!! If you hate guns so much and the homicde statistics are too much for, GET THE f*ck OUT OF THE US! I fyou like how much safer it is elswhere, go there. As an American citizen I have the right to bear arms. You cannot take that away from me, if it were made illegal to own guns, I would still get one. I'm not gonnna go shoot someone, or hold up a bank, I just like security. This is the US we have to much freedom, that is why we have so much crime, I don't care. Canadians are allowed to have guns, but they have much much less crime. America is more violent, deal with it. If guns are illegal here, we are going to have more guns thatn the UK, thats just how it will work, we like our freedom and would not just give it up. If guns are illegal a lot of the same people will still have them. If anything, the crime rate will go up, if the bad guy knows he's the only one with a gun, he'll feel more confident. If you're American and think guns should be illegal, accept that they're not or go to anpther country. If you do live in another country, stop arguing with us, this doesn't apply to you anyway.