krusher & BlackIrish - [See Linked Thread For Verdict]

[AK_iceman]

For the Verdict, I redirect you to this thread.


These are suspected Secret Alliance

Suspect users: krusher & BlackIrish

Game number:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=914780
Comments: krusher didn't win this game, but BlackIrish definately was trying to help him. SlickChrisDruler made several comments in the game chat which reminded me very much of the game I had with krusher and BlackIrish.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=929753

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1180496
Comments: krusher wins because of some interesting moves by BlackIrish.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1180708
Comments: Again krusher wins due to BlackIrish's strategies.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1183650

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1184469

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1190233

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1202416

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1208483

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1208980

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1214438
Comments: This is the game I played in with krusher and BlackIrish. BlackIrish tried to eliminate gonnawoopyourass early on, and even though he was outnumbered to begin with, he kept attacking and weakened him as much as possible so that krusher could finish him off and get another cash-in. Then, when it was just 3 of us left, BlackIrish kept attacking me even though krusher was cleaning up the map for the win.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1214726

Comments: So basically krusher and BlackIrish have played a total of 17 standard-style games together, and BlackIrish has never won. Not even once. However, krusher has won 8 of them. Just under 50% win rate for 5 and 6 player standard games is pretty good. Unless you're cheating.

IMO, it's a pretty obvious secret alliance between krusher and BlackIrish, and I would highly recommend a block between these 2, and possibly a score reset for krusher.

[0ojakeo0]

do it yourslef ....... O wait i forgot

[Gilligan]

do it yourslef ....... O wait i forgot

He can't. No more mod squad.

[0ojakeo0]

do it yourslef ....... O wait i forgot

He can't. No more mod squad.

hence th ending part of the sentnce

[kwanton]

I was waiting for this.

I was in the game AK was in and I can confirm that BlackIrish basically gave krusher the win in exactly the way AK described. He weakened both me and the yellow player enough that krusher could just come in and eliminate us both. Just for clarification, BlackIrish took out my stack of ten before going after yellow's 16 when he could have easily gone around.

I checked out all of their games together too and was gonna make a list of all the ones with questionable plays but AK already did that. They have 18 games together and one is a team game. The rest are standard if memory serves. And krusher has a stangely high win percentage in these.

I just want to add the fact that krusher is very loose with who he puts on his ignore list. In his games, you can see that he ignores the people who make dumb moves. He actually ignored me and AK. I think it is because we accused him of cheating. But BlackIrish has been making stupid moves like others on krushers ignore list yet is still ignore-free.

[Gilligan]

I'm on his ignore list, and he keeps ignoring me when I ask why.

[krusher]

thx for the hating check while your at at you might want to block me from playing with, poo-maker, skeletonsofdeath, jesusreigns, Risktaker, Honduras, and many many other people who I play with regularly if playing doubles game with a person and then playing 6 player games once in a while with that person is considerd cheating then every one on this site is cheating. I'm not responsible for people who join my games attacking you its not my fault check IP's we aint in same computer if they want to attack you and try to get your cards and fail how is that my fault? why wouldnt I go in and try to steal the kill? if you mad that you cant win a 6 player game with me in it dont make up lies just dont join that is why I block you guys who nag nag nag and accuse people when they lose games.

[nikola_milicki]

So basically krusher and BlackIrish have played a total of 17 standard-style games together, and BlackIrish has never won. Not even once. However, krusher has won 8 of them. Just under 50% win rate for 5 and 6 player standard games is pretty good. Unless you're cheating.

IMO, it's a pretty obvious secret alliance between krusher and BlackIrish, and I would highly recommend a block between these 2, and possibly a score reset for krusher.

looks like a secret alliance to me

shame on you guys

[AK_iceman]

krusher, I'm not accusing you of being a multi, so an IP check won't be necessary. I'm just saying it's awfully fishy how you win so many games when BlackIrish plays, and he NEVER wins. It's almost as if he only plays the games to help set you up for the win. That's why I want the mods to look into it.

I didn't have anything against you before this game, but I've hunted cheats on this site for quite awhile and this game was like a huge red flag waving at me.

[krusher]

ohh and AK check my over all 6 player games and my win % with and without Irish on each game you be surprised that I win most of my games reguardless of Irish or any one else...

[hwhrhett]

thx for the hating check while your at at you might want to block me from playing with, poo-maker, skeletonsofdeath, jesusreigns, Risktaker, Honduras, and many many other people who I play with regularly if playing doubles game with a person and then playing 6 player games once in a while with that person is considerd cheating then every one on this site is cheating. I'm not responsible for people who join my games attacking you its not my fault check IP's we aint in same computer if they want to attack you and try to get your cards and fail how is that my fault? why wouldnt I go in and try to steal the kill? if you mad that you cant win a 6 player game with me in it dont make up lies just dont join that is why I block you guys who nag nag nag and accuse people when they lose games.

i love the way the krusher regularly checks the forum for his name, but never ever actually reads or attempts to comprehend what anybody is saying.

[krusher]

there is just too many hating I cant read it all but I made my point clear and just because your not able to win 50% of you 6 player games AK dosent mean some one else cant just because I'm better then you dosent mean I'm cheating it means you just suck man.... you should take it out on me on flame wars instead of trying to do even more damage just because you cant win a 6 plyer game.

[AK_iceman]

Hmmm... maybe this has something to do with it.

From: CC member
To: Another CC member
Posted: 14 Nov 2007 23:02
Subject: Sorry (Truth) Quote message
Here's the truth about the game. Krusher said I owed him some games since I learned freestyle tactics from him. He asked me to help him get to conqueror and of course I said yes. Once I found I was no match I just gave up and let Krusher win (Which I know was wrong). But I felt I owed him some games. Please forgive as I have felt bad enough for lying. I didn't want negative as it hurts my name and I don't want that. Here's a quote by A.W. Tozer "A pharisee ( false prophet) is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man (truthful) is easy on others but hard on himself." I feel really bad and hope you guys trust me. I thought it was right to pm you all this as I'm not a liar and it really makes me feel bad now. Please let me challenge you all to a private 24hr. game 6 player, Classic, Freestyle, Escalating, Unlimited without Krusher this time. Or all of you can be on at 4:10 central time for a private speed game. If this is ok please pm me back. Once again I apologize.

[BlackIrish]

Me not winning a game is pretty common. I have played 10x more games with dozen of others of players. Only reason I would think of letting Krusher win would be to lose less points.

I have played so many people over 17x that this is just ridiculous. I have played 700+ games. This is ridiculous. I have played multiple tournaments and have no reason to help Krusher at all. Your argument is very poor and I have heard these accusations dozen of times for other players. It's always the same idiots that think the world is out to kill them.

IP check for verification I'm pretty sure I'm far away from that douchebag anyway.

[krusher]

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=914780
Comments: krusher didn't win this game, but BlackIrish definately was trying to help him. SlickChrisDruler made several comments in the game chat which reminded me very much of the game I had with krusher and BlackIrish.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=929753

last but not least your 2 main "evidence" games that you have against me and Irish are months old and days apart so wtf.... if you actually read the game chat you will see me cussing at Irish for attacking me lol how can that be secret alliance?

Game 914780 2007-09-22
Game 929753 2007-09-25

"WE ARE ON 20007-11-16" thx for the hard put time trying to start a conspiracy against me but your own evidence dont hold up...

[krusher]

AK_Iceman I can easily forge that quote you put up lol change words around and make you look like the bad guy so unless you have real prove other then writing that can be changed manipulated and based on lies your "Evidence" just dont hold up.

[hwhrhett]

Hmmm... maybe this has something to do with it.

From: CC member
To: Another CC member
Posted: 14 Nov 2007 23:02
Subject: Sorry (Truth) Quote message
Here's the truth about the game. Krusher said I owed him some games since I learned freestyle tactics from him. He asked me to help him get to conqueror and of course I said yes. Once I found I was no match I just gave up and let Krusher win (Which I know was wrong). But I felt I owed him some games. Please forgive as I have felt bad enough for lying. I didn't want negative as it hurts my name and I don't want that. Here's a quote by A.W. Tozer "A pharisee ( false prophet) is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man (truthful) is easy on others but hard on himself." I feel really bad and hope you guys trust me. I thought it was right to pm you all this as I'm not a liar and it really makes me feel bad now. Please let me challenge you all to a private 24hr. game 6 player, Classic, Freestyle, Escalating, Unlimited without Krusher this time. Or all of you can be on at 4:10 central time for a private speed game. If this is ok please pm me back. Once again I apologize.

lol, is that from risktaker17?

[AK_iceman]

I won't say who it's from, they can come forward if they want to. But I have researched the game, and it does appear to be exactly what happened.

[Point Guard]

guess it's not just one person helping krusher.

[krusher]

ohh by the way AK I think I know why you lost your mod priveleages lmao you must of seen things that never existed and must of accused every one when you lost a game.

[soundout9]

AK_iceman is a very reliable source...If he thinks there was a secret alliance and posted what like 10 different games I think something is up.

[krusher]

his 2 main evidence games are months and days apart and if you read the chat I cussed out irish so hmmm if I had scret alliance shouldnt he be helping me not making me angry?

[soundout9]

Maybe it was a cover up

[AK_iceman]

I lost my mod privs because I requested them to be removed. This is the first game I've played with you, so I had no reason to suspect you before now. I researched ALL your games with BlackIrish, regardless of the date in order to see if this was a recurring pattern, which it is.

his 2 main evidence games are months and days apart

The only thing that shows is that you've been cheating for a long time in order to get Conqueror, and furthers my resolve that you should receive a point reset AND a block from playing with BlackIrish for your punishment.

[krusher]

thx for proving my point now you guys are going into the maybe or what if there is no what if or maybe its either you got prove or you dont and he dosent he just nagging cuz he lost a game.