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Postby Wisse on Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:16 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Regarding the shape of Kashmir in the legend, he was refering to my suggestion of replacing the circle with true border representation of the region. So instead of a circle with the gray lines, it would simply be an outline of the country filled with the gray lines. Then it can look different from the symbol above.

Also, wisse, would you consider maybe darkening that red text in the legend? It might make it a little easier to ready.


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ah so you mean, i must copy that country make it smaller and put it in the legend? ok

ok i will try to make it easyer to read
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Postby edbeard on Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:24 pm

in your small version almost all your coordinates are one pixel too high

I believe they're off in the large too, but I honestly didn't look as closely as the small
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Postby Qwert on Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:06 pm

must the unplayable land have a black border (p. 23)


These poll still not finish,i belive that majority want to see same black borders in unplayabile land too.
1 thing i dont understand why you put so many question what not have any conection with map proces,because option like "i dont care" its not adecuate for these Final Forge forum.
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Postby Wisse on Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:47 am

qwert wrote:
must the unplayable land have a black border (p. 23)


These poll still not finish,i belive that majority want to see same black borders in unplayabile land too.
1 thing i dont understand why you put so many question what not have any conection with map proces,because option like "i dont care" its not adecuate for these Final Forge forum.

i don't care means, that they think it doesn't matter if it is or not,
but that poll is from anather update, i already fixed it so it does look better now
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Postby Wisse on Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:48 am

edbeard wrote:in your small version almost all your coordinates are one pixel too high

I believe they're off in the large too, but I honestly didn't look as closely as the small

thnx didn't saw that i will fix it
and on the large map they are exactly in the middle
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Postby palmforce on Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:20 am

Hi! I am a newbie to Conquer Club and a Chinese. I'm happy to there will be a China map.
I'd like to express some suggestions as below, hope it would be better:

1. Misspelling
a. Guangdon should be Guangdong
b. Antrui should be Anhui
c. Guanxi should be Guangxi
d. Jianxi should be Jiangxi

2. Continents
Using Military Areas would be the best way. As Provinces are directly under the central goverment and there is no more political grouping in between.

3. The flag
Is the pattern is added intentionally? I would prefer plain red.

4. The Yin-Yang Symbol
The Yin-Yang symbol got not much relationship with the cities Hong Kong, Shanghai or Beijing. May be 3 simple stars would be better.

Others are well done. Hope to play the map ASAP.
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Postby Wisse on Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:41 pm

palmforce wrote:Hi! I am a newbie to Conquer Club and a Chinese. I'm happy to there will be a China map.
I'd like to express some suggestions as below, hope it would be better:

1. Misspelling
a. Guangdon should be Guangdong
b. Antrui should be Anhui
c. Guanxi should be Guangxi
d. Jianxi should be Jiangxi

2. Continents
Using Military Areas would be the best way. As Provinces are directly under the central goverment and there is no more political grouping in between.

3. The flag
Is the pattern is added intentionally? I would prefer plain red.

4. The Yin-Yang Symbol
The Yin-Yang symbol got not much relationship with the cities Hong Kong, Shanghai or Beijing. May be 3 simple stars would be better.

Others are well done. Hope to play the map ASAP.


1. Will fix them all, thnx (i checked them all and you are right)


2. it are the military regions look: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_e ... lreg96.jpg


3. it looked better back then, but i will look at it again ;)


4. i did get complains about the stars, and they are just an image that everyone knows about china, they don't have any other meaning than letting it see it are capitals on this map


thnx for your suggestions
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Postby Qwert on Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:49 pm

Well i look yours last update and i dont se that you put black borders.
For me its look that you dont change borders of unplayabile terittory its same like old version.
Just put to be like playabile borders and problem is solve.
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Postby Wisse on Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:02 pm

qwert wrote:Well i look yours last update and i dont se that you put black borders.
For me its look that you dont change borders of unplayabile terittory its same like old version.
Just put to be like playabile borders and problem is solve.

i will set up a poll again because this new border and we look ;)
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Postby Qwert on Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:17 pm

must the unplayable land have a black border

Its look that you try to avoide these poll question,and dont want to show map with black unplayabile borders, can you please tell me why?
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Postby Wisse on Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:11 pm

qwert wrote:
must the unplayable land have a black border

Its look that you try to avoide these poll question,and dont want to show map with black unplayabile borders, can you please tell me why?

already did i said, that that was about the old border wich looked very bad, do i have to redo the poll because i have a new border now and than put one picture with the new border, and one with the black border and make a poll of it
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Postby Qwert on Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:15 am

Ok,can you tell me where i can se yours old version,and yours new version, just to se diference in borders.
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Postby Wisse on Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:57 pm

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Postby Qwert on Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:59 pm

Well i must say that i dont se that borders of unplayabile terittory is dont black,so you avoide to change these.If you dont want to change these put new poll question,but try to put simple option ,yes and no.
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Postby Wisse on Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:33 pm

sorry i will take a vacation from conquer club, i don't know for how long
if i am not back within half a year feel free to sent to wisse6@hotmail.com for the .psd file to complete this map then.
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:13 pm

Wisse wrote:sorry i will take a vacation from conquer club, i don't know for how long
if i am not back within half a year feel free to sent to wisse6@hotmail.com for the .psd file to complete this map then.


May I ask why are you taking such a long vacation?
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Postby Wisse on Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:22 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:
Wisse wrote:sorry i will take a vacation from conquer club, i don't know for how long
if i am not back within half a year feel free to sent to wisse6@hotmail.com for the .psd file to complete this map then.


May I ask why are you taking such a long vacation?

mayby it isn't long, but i am a bit bored of conquer club, and in the time that i play cc there did happen to much in real live thats why i take a vacation
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Postby alster on Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:14 pm

Hmm... why on earth is there a Taiwan province of present-day China?

It's not a clear-cut issue, but: Taiwan is not part of China. That China has a claim on it is a different matter.

If you wish to leave it, naming the map "China and Taiwan" would be more correct.

Admitedly, I have not read the entire thread. Nonetheless - why on earth would you do this (in effect appeasing the Chinesee regime)?

EDIT: In other words - Suggestion: Remove Taiwan from the China map. (After all, you don't include Canada in a present day U.S. map. The same thing.)
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Postby rs148004 on Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:10 am

alstergren wrote:Hmm... why on earth is there a Taiwan province of present-day China?

It's not a clear-cut issue, but: Taiwan is not part of China. That China has a claim on it is a different matter.

If you wish to leave it, naming the map "China and Taiwan" would be more correct.

Admitedly, I have not read the entire thread. Nonetheless - why on earth would you do this (in effect appeasing the Chinesee regime)?

EDIT: In other words - Suggestion: Remove Taiwan from the China map. (After all, you don't include Canada in a present day U.S. map. The same thing.)


The thing is that mainland China considers Taiwan to be a province of China, Taiwan considers itself the rightful ruler of the mainland so to take Taiwan out of the map would make everyone that calls themselves Chinese unhappy.

Another question I'd like to ask that quite possibly has been asked before is why did you choose to use "Nei Mongol" instead of "Inner Mongolia" and why "Xizang" instead of "Tibet." These regions are called "autonomous" by the mainland government and have their own traditional English names.
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Postby alster on Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:17 am

Ok then, no official declaration of independence has been made. Read up a little more about Taiwan. But, in that case I suggest that the symbol on top of the map are removed or amended. It's not fitting to have the Commie flag/symbol there. Perhaps adding the symbol of Taiwan (Republic of China) as well? I don't see why a mainland China symbol should solely represent China.
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Postby Qwert on Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:32 pm

Because these is a insignia of People republic of China.
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Postby alster on Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:41 am

qwert wrote:Because these is a insignia of People republic of China.


Yes. But it's not a symbol of the Republic of China (Taiwan). And since Taiwan is on the map, its symbol should be there as well (or no symbol at all).
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:55 am

Actually China and Taiwan are considered as two different countries and the only way that Taiwan will ever be part of mainland China is if the Chinese invade Taiwan with a military force.
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Postby boberz on Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:22 am

depends whos viewpoint this is tken from the chinese would say that taiwan was part of china
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Postby iancanton on Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:44 am

i am chinese and agree absolutely with alstergren: if the flag and political emblem for the people's republic are included, then so should the ones for the republic of china (taiwan). better still, remove them both and replace by a dragon or something.

it's possible to use the name of "greater china" as a description of the area that includes china and taiwan. this is often done in business journalism and seems not to offend most people.

incidentally, about half of taiwanese (or taiwan chinese), including the present government, do not consider that they have any claim on mainland china at all and prefer total independence to unification (while the other half take the opposite view).

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