Black Metal Mafia - D3

[Loose Canon]

Lynching jfm was the incorrect play.
Diverting from lynching Ew IS an incorrect play for a townie.

[Charle]

I really don't think we should lynch EW today. There is no reason to believe he is scum and if he flips town it will be a huge loss for town, even more so if he flips jailkeeper. Kong on the other hand is quiet the whole D3 so far, normally he contributes at least every now and then which makes me even more suspicious.

[Ragian]

Official vote count



EW (1) - Loose
Kong (2) - Charle, Devante
Charle (1) - Max
Loose (2) - EW, Son!c

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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[Loose Canon]

Well, a new recruit game in which there's no detective, might better be called a cop out game.

There's actually 3 reasonable options for town, and I'll list them in best to least best.

1. Lynch Ew, he'd have driven not recruiting.
2. Lynch sonic, he's posted masses of smokescreen
3. Lynch me, at least then you'll see Sonic's smokescreen

And be very wary of any claims that Ew or sonic might make.
Fake claiming by scum is the hidden advantage of not recruiting.
Sonic put forward the idea I wouldn't have thought about it at the time.
Ew put forward the idea that with a recruit, there was still scope for fake claiming.
Both cast doubt on the no recruit theory.

[Extreme Ways]

You - sonic - cleared????

The correct play is straightforward.

1. Lynch Ew today. (If he flips scum I'm virtually cleared)
2. If Ew flips scum, jailkeeper jails you sonic tonight so we see if there is a kill or not. If not you are virtually incriminated. If there is still a kill you're probably innocent - albeit one who's played distraction for 2nd scum today.

Are you afraid of the play on Ew today sonic?

and if I flip town?

[Loose Canon]

Then I've got it completely wrong.

A detective claim by someone other than you or sonic would prevent that.
If there is such a detective it's their decision if and when to claim.

You know you'd like the play if it wasn't on anyone other than you Ew.

[kongming3]

Here now - let's be super clear that jfm had no secret information or role and only voted for me as a revenge vote after I voted him. His only actual "reason" was that he thought Sonic was suspicious and decided we were connected (and therefore he had no choice to vote me instead of the primary person he found suspicious), conveniently ignoring the fact that my very first post was anti-sonic so I don't see much thought or research going into his gameplay. My reasons for voting him were clear and logical, nobody offered up any issues or objections to them at the time including jfm himself, and many people remaining were very eager to vote him (and lynch quickly at that.) Any sort of attempted coordinated lynch on me after the fact stemming from a small group of people strikes me as rather odd.

I'd also like to clarify something about the potential suspicions on Ew. From my understanding, it's based primarily on the player assumption that Ew would not want to recruit? All other arguments seem to follow just because of that original conclusion? While I don't love trying to meta game like that, if I temporarily play ball and take your reads as true (that Ew and Traf would both prefer to not recruit and are therefore marginally more likely to be scum if we think scum chose not to recruit), would Traf not make more sense as a potential lynch? He's spent the entire game casting aspersions at people, but has steered clear of ever putting himself at risk by getting into the thick of things. I don't think it's very helpful as town to sit on a high horse and call any activity suspicious (when town needs to try stuff to gain information or lose by default without power roles), but it's very easy to do as scum and let's him keep his hands clean and float along by while still getting to indirectly influence lynches. As long as your scum buddy isn't in danger, you can keep doing that risk-free and come out looking good when you aren't ever involved in lynches that practically only scum could actually know are on townies. I don't think Traf is guaranteed scum by any means, but I do think he has played in a way that's not helpful (and at times actively unhelpful) to town, while being self-preserving in a fashion that fits what scum wants to achieve.

[SoN!c]

Then I've got it completely wrong.

A detective claim by someone other than you or sonic would prevent that.
If there is such a detective it's their decision if and when to claim.

You know you'd like the play if it wasn't on anyone other than you Ew.

Anybody on D3 thinks only 2 scum with 4 dead and no pr.

Now your saying the cop (who very likely does not exist!!) has to give a signal and if he does not EW is scum proven??? I MEAN??? That is even better then your "buddy theory" buddy.

Also, you leave 0 room for any initiative outside your own. Immediate responses all the time, everybody has to follow you, flooding the thread, wishy washy, but never once answering real questions on yourself..

Instead You have placed votes on everybody here (except on Kong i think), with all sorts of crazyness and smoke it's hilarious, i can't even remember all the crazy loony tunes you've put out here, and it's just D3... - everytime you say your SURE (but a bit later it's "I missed that, but apparently it was very obvious to the rest" or "i was wrong"...).

Please do not respond anymore - it's only more of the same. Give others a chance to post something and respond to it (without Loose stepping in between and claiming the thread for himself and his loony tunes all the time).

[Loose Canon]

Mate, even as scum, you love it, you even asked me to sign your air guitar. That is beyond even the Immortal Demonaz.

[SoN!c]

Here now - let's be super clear that jfm had no secret information or role and only voted for me as a revenge vote after I voted him. His only actual "reason" was that he thought Sonic was suspicious and decided we were connected (and therefore he had no choice to vote me instead of the primary person he found suspicious), conveniently ignoring the fact that my very first post was anti-sonic so I don't see much thought or research going into his gameplay. My reasons for voting him were clear and logical, nobody offered up any issues or objections to them at the time including jfm himself, and many people remaining were very eager to vote him (and lynch quickly at that.) Any sort of attempted coordinated lynch on me after the fact stemming from a small group of people strikes me as rather odd.

I'd also like to clarify something about the potential suspicions on Ew. From my understanding, it's based primarily on the player assumption that Ew would not want to recruit? All other arguments seem to follow just because of that original conclusion? While I don't love trying to meta game like that, if I temporarily play ball and take your reads as true (that Ew and Traf would both prefer to not recruit and are therefore marginally more likely to be scum if we think scum chose not to recruit), would Traf not make more sense as a potential lynch? He's spent the entire game casting aspersions at people, but has steered clear of ever putting himself at risk by getting into the thick of things. I don't think it's very helpful as town to sit on a high horse and call any activity suspicious (when town needs to try stuff to gain information or lose by default without power roles), but it's very easy to do as scum and let's him keep his hands clean and float along by while still getting to indirectly influence lynches. As long as your scum buddy isn't in danger, you can keep doing that risk-free and come out looking good when you aren't ever involved in lynches that practically only scum could actually know are on townies. I don't think Traf is guaranteed scum by any means, but I do think he has played in a way that's not helpful (and at times actively unhelpful) to town, while being self-preserving in a fashion that fits what scum wants to achieve.

Just see this. Very nice post. Only logic - what a relief