Trump's AG pick is a pedo

[mookiemcgee]

How's Saxi feeling about Dr. Oz?

seeing alot of negativity about him in conservative circles, and I just don't understand it. Sure he's a charlatan, fraudster, scammer and snakeoil salesman but so is Trump and yall have anointed him god of republicans. What exactly did people expect would happen? What is the over/under on Dr. Phil being next in line?

[saxitoxin]

How's Saxi feeling about Dr. Oz?

The first Muslim director of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid in American history? Another diversity FIRST for Donald Trump!

Maybe let some joy in, and stop embracing hate?

[Pack Rat]

Dr. OZ and his neuro gum!

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYYyqdEs/

Will Dr. Oz put gum on top of the food pyramid?

[kentington]

Yes, doctor Oz is a quack. He has long been known for that.

Back to the topic at hand. I really wish the DOJ would release their findings. Can't you use the Freedom of Information Act to view them? I mean they were voting on whether to release them right before he resigned. Would he have been resigning even without the appointment?

Sunny Hostin was commenting on it and overstepped the bounds of what you can say. He wasn't convicted and the case was closed with no charges made against Gaetz. I'm not in favor of a witch hunt by any means. The allegations that one prostitute/escort made was that she witnessed her friend and Gaetz having sex. She said her friend was 17 at the time. That seems to be easily verifiable information. (At least up until the sex)

Let's say that they can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that he didn't engage with minors. Why is anyone defending him? If we get caught as a 'John', then we get in trouble. I have seen a lot of conservatives say 'Rules for thee but not for me.' So far I have agreed with them. When Newsom and Pelosi disobeyed their own rules for Covid. But now we have this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14104033/Sunny-Hostin-dejected-legal-note-View-Matt-Gaetz.html

[saxitoxin]

Yes, doctor Oz is a quack. He has long been known for that.

Back to the topic at hand. I really wish the DOJ would release their findings. Can't you use the Freedom of Information Act to view them? I mean they were voting on whether to release them right before he resigned. Would he have been resigning even without the appointment?

Sunny Hostin was commenting on it and overstepped the bounds of what you can say. He wasn't convicted and the case was closed with no charges made against Gaetz. I'm not in favor of a witch hunt by any means. The allegations that one prostitute/escort made was that she witnessed her friend and Gaetz having sex. She said her friend was 17 at the time. That seems to be easily verifiable information. (At least up until the sex)

Let's say that they can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that he didn't engage with minors. Why is anyone defending him? If we get caught as a 'John', then we get in trouble. I have seen a lot of conservatives say 'Rules for thee but not for me.' So far I have agreed with them. When Newsom and Pelosi disobeyed their own rules for Covid. But now we have this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14104033/Sunny-Hostin-dejected-legal-note-View-Matt-Gaetz.html

I didn't realize the legal note came down that quickly! That means The View now has to have a team of attorneys watching what the ladies say and immediately drafting CYA scripts!

[saxitoxin]

The allegations that one prostitute/escort made was that she witnessed her friend and Gaetz having sex. She said her friend was 17 at the time. That seems to be easily verifiable information. (At least up until the sex)

At the end of the day, there's zero physical evidence. There is only the testimony of two anonymous prostitutes. In the Duke lacrosse rape and the Uva fraternity gang rape, the cases only unraveled once we knew the identity of the accusers and their suspicious patterns of behavior could be independently confirmed.

I would have no problem believing enough veracity of the Gaetz allegations that he should be disqualified if --

(a) The identity of the prostitutes were revealed so they could be fully backgrounded (Have they previously made accusations of this type against celebrities? Have they had deposits to their bank accounts from foreign governments? Is there any documentary proof they were either living in Florida or traveling through Florida on the date in question? Is there anyone else at the party who can recall seeing them there?)

(b) Venmo records were pulled to see if there was a transfer from Gaetz to one of the accusants on the night in question as they allege

The DOJ did both of these things (check the background of the accusants and check Venmo records). After doing that, they decided not to bring charges.

High profile people are frequently targets of fixated persons, blackmail schemes, etc. A bare minimum of evidence should be required before we believe any random accusation.

[kentington]

The allegations that one prostitute/escort made was that she witnessed her friend and Gaetz having sex. She said her friend was 17 at the time. That seems to be easily verifiable information. (At least up until the sex)

At the end of the day, there's zero physical evidence. There is only the testimony of two anonymous prostitutes. In the Duke lacrosse rape and the Uva fraternity gang rape, the cases only unraveled once we knew the identity of the accusers and their suspicious patterns of behavior could be independently confirmed.

I would have no problem believing enough veracity of the Gaetz allegations that he should be disqualified if --

(a) The identity of the prostitutes were revealed so they could be fully backgrounded (Have they previously made accusations of this type against celebrities? Have they had deposits to their bank accounts from foreign governments? Is there any documentary proof they were either living in Florida or traveling through Florida on the date in question? Is there anyone else at the party who can recall seeing them there?)

(b) Venmo records were pulled to see if there was a transfer from Gaetz to one of the accusants on the night in question as they allege

The DOJ did both of these things (check the background of the accusants and check Venmo records). After doing that, they decided not to bring charges.

High profile people are frequently targets of fixated persons, blackmail schemes, etc. A bare minimum of evidence should be required before we believe any random accusation.

Agreed. I am not calling him guilty. I am saying that all of that information is verifiable and that if any of it was true that is pretty damning. Not just the sex with a minor part.

They already did the investigation, they could have released the information but he resigned first. If he is not guilty at all, then it would have benefited him to wait a small amount of time before resigning.

Also, if people feel there really is evidence they should use the FOIA and release the report. It would clear the air completely. I am guessing he may not have been found guilty of the big thing, but that there were smaller things that looked bad and he doesn't want even that out. (Total speculation on my part)

[Lonous]

[jusplay4fun]

The allegations that one prostitute/escort made was that she witnessed her friend and Gaetz having sex. She said her friend was 17 at the time. That seems to be easily verifiable information. (At least up until the sex)

At the end of the day, there's zero physical evidence. There is only the testimony of two anonymous prostitutes. In the Duke lacrosse rape and the Uva fraternity gang rape, the cases only unraveled once we knew the identity of the accusers and their suspicious patterns of behavior could be independently confirmed.

I would have no problem believing enough veracity of the Gaetz allegations that he should be disqualified if --

(a) The identity of the prostitutes were revealed so they could be fully backgrounded (Have they previously made accusations of this type against celebrities? Have they had deposits to their bank accounts from foreign governments? Is there any documentary proof they were either living in Florida or traveling through Florida on the date in question? Is there anyone else at the party who can recall seeing them there?)

(b) Venmo records were pulled to see if there was a transfer from Gaetz to one of the accusants on the night in question as they allege

The DOJ did both of these things (check the background of the accusants and check Venmo records). After doing that, they decided not to bring charges.

High profile people are frequently targets of fixated persons, blackmail schemes, etc. A bare minimum of evidence should be required before we believe any random accusation.

Agreed. I am not calling him guilty. I am saying that all of that information is verifiable and that if any of it was true that is pretty damning. Not just the sex with a minor part.

They already did the investigation, they could have released the information but he resigned first. If he is not guilty at all, then it would have benefited him to wait a small amount of time before resigning.

Also, if people feel there really is evidence they should use the FOIA and release the report. It would clear the air completely. I am guessing he may not have been found guilty of the big thing, but that there were smaller things that looked bad and he doesn't want even that out. (Total speculation on my part)

I mostly agree with Kent. I said earlier that it look very suspicious that Gaetz resigned before the report was finalized and released. I am NOT sure there was a final report to be released by FOIA. There may have been and likely a DRAFT report, but I am not sure that raises to the level of a "Report" to be released via FOIA.

I think the point that Speaker Johnson is making is that releasing the report, draft or whatever, is that doing so is against precedent. Releasing that information/report would set a new and potentially dangerous precedent. I think, however, that most who resign do not attempt to go on to an even more high profile job. Most resign and slink away in disgrace and are not in the public eye any more.

[saxitoxin]

Gaetz is gone and that means Kahn is probably out at the FTC. Liberals don't want what they tell their voters they want ...

Gaetz was the most pro-consumer, anti-big tech, anti-surveillance, pro-FTC House Republican by far and ofc libs cheer for his removal and we instead get a former Silicon Valley lobbyist for AG. On every corporate power issue at stake Bondi has a less progressive record.

https://x.com/lhfang/status/18597614453 ... 0Vqhw&s=19

[Pack Rat]

Gaetz is gone and that means Kahn is probably out at the FTC. Liberals don't want what they tell their voters they want ...

Gaetz was the most pro-consumer, anti-big tech, anti-surveillance, pro-FTC House Republican by far and ofc libs cheer for his removal and we instead get a former Silicon Valley lobbyist for AG. On every corporate power issue at stake Bondi has a less progressive record.

https://x.com/lhfang/status/18597614453 ... 0Vqhw&s=19

It's obvious that Saxi is digging deep in the "X" to explain his support for a pedophile.

[mookiemcgee]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/23/politics ... ics-report

One of the sexual encounters involved a 17-year-old girl, the committee said. The woman told the committee she had sex with Gaetz twice at a July 2017 party when she was 17.

“The Committee received testimony that Victim A and Representative Gaetz had sex twice during the party, including at least once in the presence of other party attendees,” the committee wrote. “Victim A recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school.” The then-17-year-old did not tell Gaetz she was a minor at the time, and he did not ask her age, the committee found. The committee did not receive any evidence Gaetz was aware of her age. The woman told congressional investigators she was under the influence of ecstasy at the party and that she recalled seeing Gaetz use cocaine at the party.

[saxitoxin]

For years it was Ralph Nader against General Motors, who went so far as to hire private detectives to discredit him. They sent a prostitute to try to seduce him at a food counter at Safeway's but he turned her away. So the gumshoes tried to prove he was homosexual but were caught as they tried to follow him into Congress.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/ ... ns2004.usa

[mookiemcgee]

Gaetz’ then-girlfriend “appeared to act as an intermediary” between Gaetz and women he paid for sex, the committee found, citing text messages it obtained. The committee said it found evidence that “Representative Gaetz’s then-girlfriend sometimes participated with him in sexual encounters with other women who were active on the website or otherwise involved in sex-for-money arrangements.”

The committee bolstered its findings by citing those text messages, including when Gaetz’s then-girlfriend wrote to women that “the guys (Representative Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg) ‘wanted me to share that they are a little limited in their cash flow this weekend … (M)att was like(,) if it can be more of a customer appreciation week… .”

In another text message exchange cited by the committee, Greenberg exchanged messages with a woman in September 2018, writing, “If you have a friend that is down, perhaps all four of us can meet up later.”

The woman responded she did have a friend who could meet up, adding, “I usually do $400 per meet.”

Greenberg responded by sending a photo of Gaetz holding out a phone and taking a selfie. “Oooh my friend thinks he’s really cute!” the woman responded.

“Well, he’s down here only for the day, we work hard and play hard,” Greenberg wrote. “Have you ever tried molly.”

In Saxiworld no one is ever guilty of anything if they support Trump, it's always a deep state conspiracy.

[jusplay4fun]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/23/politics ... ics-report

One of the sexual encounters involved a 17-year-old girl, the committee said. The woman told the committee she had sex with Gaetz twice at a July 2017 party when she was 17.

“The Committee received testimony that Victim A and Representative Gaetz had sex twice during the party, including at least once in the presence of other party attendees,” the committee wrote. “Victim A recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school.” The then-17-year-old did not tell Gaetz she was a minor at the time, and he did not ask her age, the committee found. The committee did not receive any evidence Gaetz was aware of her age. The woman told congressional investigators she was under the influence of ecstasy at the party and that she recalled seeing Gaetz use cocaine at the party.

I am surprised the Ethics Committee for the House released their Report on Gaetz. I am SURE GLAD that he withdrew. Trump does not need that embarassment. What a loser.

[saxitoxin]

That said, the righteousness here is pretty hilarious.

If Gaetz banged this hooker at a party in San Diego instead of a party in Orlando there wouldn't even be a question of a crime. California recognizes mistake of age as an absolute defense.

Shouldn't Gavin Newsom be offering Gaetz asylum like he offers Texas abortion doctors asylum?

[mookiemcgee]

ok fine he's a pedo, but that shouldn't even be illegal. It's not illegal in some place if you pretend you didn't know

lol... Ralf has been rubbing off on you Saxi

[Pack Rat]

ok fine he's a pedo, but that shouldn't even be illegal. It's not illegal in some place if you pretend you didn't know

lol... Ralf has been rubbing off on you Saxi

Pedophiles protect pedophiles.

[saxitoxin]

Ralf has been rubbing off on you Saxi

everytime I see him doing that I get up and move seats

[Dukasaur]

Whilst I enjoy seeing right-wing assholes get hoisted by their own hypocrisy, we do have to be honest: a 17-year old hooker is not a child by any sane measure. The "pedo" term is really an opportunistic misnomer here.

[mookiemcgee]

Whilst I enjoy seeing right-wing assholes get hoisted by their own hypocrisy, we do have to be honest: a 17-year old hooker is not a child by any sane measure. The "pedo" term is really an opportunistic misnomer here.

Do you feel that way about the girls Epstein hired for massage?

The internet has made defining what a prostitute is into a super grey area imo... most of these girls were recruited/found on seeking.com which is a sugar baby website which is kinda like the diet coke/light beer version of prostitution. Sometimes things are explicitly laid out, sometimes its more like dating with nothing explicitly agreed to beyond she's pretty and he has money and they are otherwise just dating because that is what both of them are looking for. I guess gates also had this 'girlfriend' who basically acted like Gaetz's own Ghislaine Maxwell.

At the end of the day, I think you have to look at laws where this stuff happened (FL in this case) and use that as the basis for determining if someone is a pedo. Sure a 17 year old girl isn't maybe all that different from a 18 year old girl, but when the congressman banging either is almost 40 I don't think pedo is really pushing the limit either way. I don't love the word grooming, but the right has used it a ton over the last few years accusing democrats of protecting 'groomers'. Maybe that is more appropriate here? I can change the thread name to Trump's AG pick is a groomer of young and underage girls if you prefer?

[saxitoxin]

Whilst I enjoy seeing right-wing assholes get hoisted by their own hypocrisy, we do have to be honest: a 17-year old hooker is not a child by any sane measure. The "pedo" term is really an opportunistic misnomer here.

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The then-17-year-old did not tell Gaetz she was a minor at the time, and he did not ask her age, the committee found. The committee did not receive any evidence Gaetz was aware of her age.

yeah, tbh it's gonna be hard to get anyone who isn't watching reruns of The View 24/7 or married to the governor of Minnesota up in arms about this ... there is a certain minority in America comprised of middle aged ladies and estrogen-gifted men who scream about their joy until their eyes are bloodshot, their faces are flushed red, and saliva is dripping out of their mouths -- and they will be very loud about their outrage

as they're loud about everything

[Dukasaur]

Whilst I enjoy seeing right-wing assholes get hoisted by their own hypocrisy, we do have to be honest: a 17-year old hooker is not a child by any sane measure. The "pedo" term is really an opportunistic misnomer here.

Do you feel that way about the girls Epstein hired for massage?

The internet has made defining what a prostitute is into a super grey area imo... most of these girls were recruited/found on seeking.com which is a sugar baby website which is kinda like the diet coke/light beer version of prostitution. Sometimes things are explicitly laid out, sometimes its more like dating with nothing explicitly agreed to beyond she's pretty and he has money and they are otherwise just dating because that is what both of them are looking for. I guess gates also had this 'girlfriend' who basically acted like Gaetz's own Ghislaine Maxwell.

At the end of the day, I think you have to look at laws where this stuff happened (FL in this case) and use that as the basis for determining if someone is a pedo. Sure a 17 year old girl isn't maybe all that different from a 18 year old girl, but when the congressman banging either is almost 40 I don't think pedo is really pushing the limit either way. I don't love the word grooming, but the right has used it a ton over the last few years accusing democrats of protecting 'groomers'. Maybe that is more appropriate here? I can change the thread name to Trump's AG pick is a groomer of young and underage girls if you prefer?

I don't want to interfere with the flow of your thread, lol.

Just interjecting my (probably irrelevant) distinction here. I think a pedo is someone who despoils innocent girls, probably prepubescent or recently pubescent. Someone who chases girls who are young but definitely have adult bodies and are sexually active by their own free choice doesn't really fit the definition.

When I was 15, I was banging a 26-year old housewife. Technically I guess she would have been called a pedo, but I definitely initiated the contact and aggressively pursued it.

I always shake my head when I read about some teacher banging a 15-year-old stud in her class. I feel really bad, knowing he had a great time and she ended up going to jail for it. I know there's a few of my teachers I definitely tried to put the moves on and they had to repel me quite aggressively before I gave it up. I can just imagine what a miscarriage of justice it would have been if I succeeded in bagging one of them and then they ended up going to jail.

There was a girl one year behind me in school. I didn't know her but I heard all about it. This girl was 12 or 13. There was a janitor there, quite young for a janitor, probably 25 or so. She bet her friends she could seduce him. Took her a few weeks, "accidentally" brushing her hand against his bulge whenever she passed him in the hall, etc., but she managed it. One day he took her out the the barn (it was a rural district, we actually did have a barn with agricultural implements behind the school) and he ate her out. Sure enough, they got caught and he went to jail. And she was the one that engineered the situation, bet her friends she could do it, and then did it. He was just an illiterate 25-year old farm boy doing what evolution has programmed him to do.

Anyway, I'm digressing quite a bit. The point being that teenagers are sexually savvy and quite conniving when they want to be. Some broad who posts her services on mytwat.com or whatever knows perfectly well what she's after.

None of this changes the fact that Gaetz is a lying hypocrite. His type of conservatives constantly preach that everything should be according to the Ten Commandments, but they covet every fucking thing they see, they commit adultery at every opportunity, they'll drink a case of beer on every Sabbath and cop a feel of their sister-in-law, they're not strangers to stealing and bearing false witness, and while most of them are too chickenshit to kill, they're quite happy to draft young men to go overseas and kill on their behalf.

So he deserves anything that happens to him. He's just not really a pedo, technically.

[Pack Rat]

Here's the latest findings/evidence of Gaetz drug fueled sex parties.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/house-et ... t/63264232

Gaetz is guilty as hell for giving underage girls alcohol and drugs, not to mentioned having sex with a minor, which Gaetz paid to fly her across State lines.

[saxitoxin]

yeah, tbh it's gonna be hard to get anyone who isn't watching reruns of The View 24/7 or married to the governor of Minnesota up in arms about this ... there is a certain minority in America comprised of middle aged ladies and estrogen-gifted men who scream about their joy until their eyes are bloodshot, their faces are flushed red, and saliva is dripping out of their mouths -- and they will be very loud about their outrage

as they're loud about everything

case in point ...

Here's the latest findings/evidence of Gaetz drug fueled sex parties.

Gaetz is guilty as hell for giving underage girls alcohol and drugs, not to mentioned having sex with a minor, which Gaetz paid to fly her across State lines.