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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ewebasher on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:06 am

Devante wrote:To be fair picking Charle made sense to me, I'm new at this but even though I believed his claim it was odd that Loose would pick him if he was trying to cement his claim as seer with all of you. The fact that he picked someone that then would have got him killed anyways doesn't seem like smart play to me but alas it's over with now. So who are you thinking on the one wolf then?


Yeah, given the Witch (assuming that's who it was) knew before nightfall that Loose was the White Wolf poisoning Charle made sense as surely Loose's only way to make Seer believable was to 'out' a wolf... (and from Loose's point of view it was one less wolf to kill to win the game). Doesn't explain Loose's play but does explain the witch's choice I reckon...
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ewebasher on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:14 am

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Ragian wrote:@Son!c, I can kind of see your point. Swang killed the only wolf that the wolves don't care about and incriminated Charle in the process gotta say, though, that I'd think Charle was a wolf, too, given Loose's play, which is utterly lost on me.


I agree 100%.

Also if Charle was a "diversion kill" to make it look inexperienced then Swang is one of the suspects:

swang918 wrote:I did not know we couldn't barber-kill and lynch in the same day. I guess not much of a loss because I was going to push for a Charle lynch probably.


Charle claimed Scandalmonger after Loose his "utterly lost on everybody" play, so Swang as experienced player should have know that -without counterclaim- Charle was town.

Saying he "was going to push for a Charle lynch probably" sounds a bit weird then. Why would you post that?


SoN!c, you're going to have to explain your logic to me...

How could poisoning Charle be a diversion (assuming it was a Town Witch kill)?

Don't understand how swang (or anyone apart from I guess the wolves) should have known that Charle was town...
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby swang918 on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:22 am

To be fair I am also not sure why Im confirmed town. A wolf barber would have no reason not to razor Loose.

And I wrote I was going to push for a Charle lynch bc I was still on my Charle must be wolf theory from earlier. I hadnt really processed the scandalmonger claim yet and hiw it basically cleared him. My plan was to razor loose then start the wagon on Charle. Once we discussed it a bit more i probably wouldve come off the wolf Charle theory. Its just tough bc it requires me to think through a scenario where Loose thought it made sense to accuse a townie.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby swang918 on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:36 am

Im against a mass claim. Wolves can all just claim simple villager. And we still have the defender and maybe one or more power roles hidden.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ewebasher on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:39 am

swang918 wrote:To be fair I am also not sure why Im confirmed town. A wolf barber would have no reason not to razor Loose.

And I wrote I was going to push for a Charle lynch bc I was still on my Charle must be wolf theory from earlier. I hadnt really processed the scandalmonger claim yet and hiw it basically cleared him. My plan was to razor loose then start the wagon on Charle. Once we discussed it a bit more i probably wouldve come off the wolf Charle theory. Its just tough bc it requires me to think through a scenario where Loose thought it made sense to accuse a townie.


I don't think that at the time you scalped Loose we could conclusively have cleared Charle... I know he'd claimed but it was less than 8 hours later so potentially a counter claim could yet have come in (hindsight is a wonderful thing and it's very easy to look back now and say he'd been conclusively cleared but at the time I'm not so sure)
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby SoN!c on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:55 am

Ewebasher wrote:
SoN!c wrote:
Ragian wrote:@Son!c, I can kind of see your point. Swang killed the only wolf that the wolves don't care about and incriminated Charle in the process gotta say, though, that I'd think Charle was a wolf, too, given Loose's play, which is utterly lost on me.


I agree 100%.

Also if Charle was a "diversion kill" to make it look inexperienced then Swang is one of the suspects:

swang918 wrote:I did not know we couldn't barber-kill and lynch in the same day. I guess not much of a loss because I was going to push for a Charle lynch probably.


Charle claimed Scandalmonger after Loose his "utterly lost on everybody" play, so Swang as experienced player should have know that -without counterclaim- Charle was town.

Saying he "was going to push for a Charle lynch probably" sounds a bit weird then. Why would you post that?


SoN!c, you're going to have to explain your logic to me...

How could poisoning Charle be a diversion (assuming it was a Town Witch kill)?

Don't understand how swang (or anyone apart from I guess the wolves) should have known that Charle was town... [edit - swang's subsequent post helped clarify the bit about 'clearing' Charl...]


Ewe, its against the rules to edit text. Also posting in blue is only allowed for the mod.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ewebasher on Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:58 am

SoN!c wrote:Ewe, its against the rules to edit text. Also posting in blue is only allowed for the mod.


:oops:

Have removed edit (although strictly speaking all I did was add text rather than change anything but point taken)
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby degaston on Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:02 am

Ewebasher wrote:
SoN!c wrote:Ewe, its against the rules to edit text. Also posting in blue is only allowed for the mod.


:oops:

Have removed edit (although strictly speaking all I did was add text rather than change anything but point taken)

The standard way to handle it is to start a new post with "EBWOP" (for "Edit By Way Of Post). Then repost what you intended to say.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby SoN!c on Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:06 am

Ewebasher wrote:
SoN!c, you're going to have to explain your logic to me...

How could poisoning Charle be a diversion (assuming it was a Town Witch kill)?

Don't understand how swang (or anyone apart from I guess the wolves) should have known that Charle was town...


I overlooked the posioned part this morning. I got up and saw like 15 posts already and Charle dead. I was so certain the wolves ate him.

So second night in a row with no wolf kill?
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby swang918 on Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:16 am

Right. The assumption is they targeted Devante and the defender protected him
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby SoN!c on Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:28 am

swang918 wrote:Right. The assumption is they targeted Devante and the defender protected him


At least we have the witch in here.. She must be very young and pretty if she is that inexperienced. :D

So sister: make sure to use the healing potion on Deve.

And Pixar can move to the town list too? I think Strike converted ("bitten") DDS to have a wolf-sheriff? + with LC knowing the other wolves it doesn't make sense to scummify Pixar the way he did?
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ragian on Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:52 am

I have no issues with dead weight D1 and maybe D2, but Thor needs to post or be modkilled. If mpolo could go, surely Thor could. Or, preferably, he could voice his thoughts.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Devante on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:32 pm

Would like to see a claim by thor and any info. His main post of eyes down made me think he might have been the little girl spy character, which if so, he should be posting any intel he has gathered. If not, then he is very suspect. Not sure how the spy would work on this type of format but if not that character, then he seems even more suspicious for saying nothing other than a calculated post from his perspective. Thor you need to post and make a claim. I assume he's reading these posts but I'm going to hit his wall just in case.

Side question, a lot of you keep posting FP but I have no idea what that means, explain to this old man please
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby degaston on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:40 pm

Devante wrote:Side question, a lot of you keep posting FP but I have no idea what that means, explain to this old man please

"Fast Posted", meaning someone else posted while they were typing they're post. This lets people know that any new information is not accounted for in their post.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Votanic on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:41 pm

Addressing the Issues of the last 20+ Posts

1. Yes, do I agree. swang is not Confirmed as Town. His actions and reasoning read Town to me, but that could be famous last words.
In fact, I think Devante should Investigate Swang next...

2. Also, since nobody else has counter-claimed Cupid, Sonic is very likely Town.

3. Don't follow the reasoning that Pixar is Confirmed Town. DDS had to pick somebody to be Sheriff, but that doesn't mean he had Intel on Pixar's alignment.

4. Thor's minimal posting has become a problem, but it might not be a mod-kill job. We may have to demand a claim or lynch...
If he turns Wolf, his skulking might be decent strategy.
...and if he turns Town, all we can do is shake our head and once again wonder why people join a team game like Mafia and then play so selfishly.

5. Concerning Charle: even before he claimed as Scandalmonger, I doubted Charle was a Wolf.
My reasoning was the nature of the White Wolf role. To win, LC had to eliminate the Wolves and Town (talk about an unwinnable role!) so he had to pick off Town at a faster rate than the wolves so one side wouldn't be able to win. He was totally immune to the wolves (unless Swang is a wolf...) and so he could just kill a wolf on his wolf-kill nights. Btw, the fact that the White Wolf was also the almost unkillable Barkeep is too much of a coincidence. I strongly suspect the public roles were specifically linked to particular private roles by Traf to insure game balance, though I do still think those role pairings were randomly given out.

6.Yes, mass claims have risk, we should not go into that blindly and it should be planned, even choreographed, as much as possible.

Some FPing, but nothing that needs to be addressed.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby degaston on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:46 pm

Ewebasher wrote:On a completely separate note I am happy to vouch for SoN!c and Thor as town. Know that SoN!c is pretty much confirmed anyway but given Thor (along with me) is on the radar for being quiet it's handy that I can clear him (or at least attempt to assuming you believe me)

Would you care to explain this?
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Devante on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:52 pm

degaston wrote:
Ewebasher wrote:On a completely separate note I am happy to vouch for SoN!c and Thor as town. Know that SoN!c is pretty much confirmed anyway but given Thor (along with me) is on the radar for being quiet it's handy that I can clear him (or at least attempt to assuming you believe me)


Would you care to explain this?


Agreed. Ewe you have a roll that allows you to know something we don't?
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Votanic on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:56 pm

Devante wrote:
degaston wrote:
Ewebasher wrote:On a completely separate note I am happy to vouch for SoN!c and Thor as town. Know that SoN!c is pretty much confirmed anyway but given Thor (along with me) is on the radar for being quiet it's handy that I can clear him (or at least attempt to assuming you believe me)


Would you care to explain this?

Agreed. Ewe you have a roll that allows you to know something we don't?

Could this be evidence of either the Two Sisters or Three Brothers?
Or else, a fake-wolf-ploy pretending the same?

Read my next post, Devante, I think it is crucial.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Votanic on Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:57 pm

Thinking a little more about the scenario where both LC and swang are wolves.
In that case, LC (barkeep & white wolf) knows that swang is (barber & wolf).
but swang thinks LC is (barkeep & regular wolf)
So both LC and swang are dreading the then-unknown Seer showing up and outing LC as a wolf
but LC is double-dreading because he is also going to be exposed to the wolves as a white-wolf!

So then LC starts the day by causing confusion by voting Charle (and also fake-soft-claiming seer.)

In this case LC, swang (and the other wolves) are all praying that the Seer is a goof-off and show up or doesn't do his job right...

But Devante comes through with flying colors.
LC is doubly-exposed as the White Wolf and then swang vigs LC.
swang would have had to do it even if LC was just a regular wolf, but since LC is a white wolf, swang would actually be glad to do it!

This scenario needs to be either be confirmed or refuted

...and that is why, Devante should investigate swang next.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Devante on Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:00 pm

Originally he was on my list to check but I ideally wanted to wait till the next night before outing Loose, but he forced my hand. Still early to decide who to look at assuming I live through the night but think there's a few other characters here that need to speak to the previous questions asked as well
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ragian on Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:09 pm

I don't necessarily think that checking swang is preferable to checking any other unknown. His shave was a one-off.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby degaston on Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:10 pm

Devante wrote:Originally he was on my list to check but I ideally wanted to wait till the next night before outing Loose, but he forced my hand. Still early to decide who to look at assuming I live through the night but think there's a few other characters here that need to speak to the previous questions asked as well

If the witch has not used their resurrection power, then you may be good for another night. I don't know if we would be informed if it had been used already. Maybe that's why there was no wolf kill last night?
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ragian on Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:11 pm

No wait. Scratch that. I'm confusing it with another role. I'm on board.

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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Ragian on Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:12 pm

degaston wrote:
Devante wrote:Originally he was on my list to check but I ideally wanted to wait till the next night before outing Loose, but he forced my hand. Still early to decide who to look at assuming I live through the night but think there's a few other characters here that need to speak to the previous questions asked as well

If the witch has not used their resurrection power, then you may be good for another night. I don't know if we would be informed if it had been used already. Maybe that's why there was no wolf kill last night?

Looks like the witch used her killing potion last night. Of course, I don't know if she can be a busy bee and use both the same night.
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Re: The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Day 4

Postby Devante on Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:17 pm

I'm posting this for a recap reference. Do I have this right so far:

1. EW - Farmer - Restored power for kill - claimed town by Vot
2. Vot - Confessor - professed AFW for kill
3. Devante - Town Lord - claims Seer
4. Sonic - Farmer - claims cupid
5. Swang - Barber - no claim
6. Pixar - Sheriff Farmer - no claim
7. Ewe - Farmer - no claim
8. Ragian - Vagabond - replaced - no claim
9. Deg - Vagabond - replaced - no claim
10. Thor - Farmer - no claim

Known possible roles in play; witch, defender
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