The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Wolves win

[TrafalgarLaw01]

After a succesful Day 1 from the villagers they went to sleep with some peace on their minds. However...
The village of Miller's Hollow awakes with a nasty surprise. The Baillif Ragian has been devoured by wolves.
Meaning there are still wolves among them.

Ragian the Pyromaniac eaten N1.
Allegiance - Town


It's now D2. With 16 players allowerd to vote a lynch is reached with 9 votes

There are some accusations written on the walls.

"Is our Sheriff to trust, what merits has he earned"

Vote Count:
DirtyDishSoap - 2 Votes (Anonymus)

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Josko has been replaced by Degaston who accepted to play

[DirtyDishSoap]

Mr MaGOOOOO! NOOOOOOO!

[SoN!c]

Ugh - Thats a blow. But I was expecting town Ragian as target on night 2.. With a Vot reset and not much to go on after D1 (pretty weak wolf reads sofar) Ragian would be the obvious choice for Vot confession after his reset? Because Ragian was clearly the most powerful role after the schoolmarm? So what does that mean? The wolves targetting Ragian on N1? (If Vot had chosen Ragian today after his reset then Vot would have wasted his power on a townie).

One of Ragian's last lines stuck with me (even more now i know he was town and he got eaten): "This could indicate that his fellow wolves are inexperienced."

[*Pixar*]

All in all I think Day 1 went about as good as we could get. Too bad he was lynched so fast I couldn't get a vote in lol. Anyways I think Loose is our next guy to go after for defending Strike?

[SoN!c]

All in all I think Day 1 went about as good as we could get. Too bad he was lynched so fast I couldn't get a vote in lol. Anyways I think Loose is our next guy to go after for defending Strike?

Perhaps there were 2 targets tonight (with a BBW in play) so those 2 were Ragian AND Votanic? Clearly Votanic got saved in the BBW scenario. Let's start by EW resetting Vot?

[*Pixar*]

All in all I think Day 1 went about as good as we could get. Too bad he was lynched so fast I couldn't get a vote in lol. Anyways I think Loose is our next guy to go after for defending Strike?

Perhaps there were 2 targets tonight (with a BBW in play) so those 2 were Ragian AND Votanic? Clearly Votanic got saved in the BBW scenario. Let's start by EW resetting Vot?

Yep I agree with that move.

[Votanic]

So much to say.

Ragian's murder is a great loss for Town. He will be missed.

Yesterday ended quickly. Was night rushed on by the wolves? (I thought Strike might try to block votes as the Marm, but he did not.)
I would have very much like to have had a town discussion about night defenses. Ragian's death might have been avoided...
Today, we will make sure Town is ready for night.

It is likely some of the wolves voted for AWF lynch in an attempt to look Townish and rush the lynch without more discussion.
....but it is also possible that some wolves flipped the script and did not vote as well.
Of course, it happened so quickly some may not have known it was happening until it was over...

The votes in order: myself, DDS, Maxleod, fusibaseball, swang918, Charle, Sonic, Ragian, EW,

Ewebasher voted No Lynch after the confession, apparently to slow the lynch.

EW must show himself soon and display town loyalty by renewing my Confession ability.
He knows what is at stake, so his path is clear. If he is Town, he will act correctly.
If not... it appears we caught two wolves with one confession.

The graffitiwritten on the wall is important, but is it a true warning? It must be investigated.
Could it be the work of the Seer? Town Crier? Gypsy? the voice of Mod, himself?

More later.

[degaston]

Vote Sonic


Just kidding. He seems to be (mostly) behaving himself this game.

Or is that his scum-tell?

Unvote

[Loose Canon]

Did I defend Strike?

Votanic was getting no feedback whatsoever - at least I gave him feedback.

Regarding Votanic I think it is 95-98% sure he is town.
It is not certain he is town because werewolves wouldn't have opened their eyes at night yet on day1 and so IF votanic was werewolf he would'nt have known if Strike was werewolf or not.
Votanic was however in my view going for Strike as the best player and wanted to do so unless there was a strong case vs anyone else.
He was playing the player.
Exposing an ordinary werewolf if Votanic was a werewolf could have been a clever play.
Exposing the ACW Werewolf however ...
The main reason I think Votanic is town though was his posts had the strong flavour of town before the reveal on Strike.

One thing I do suspect Votanic of though is IF the ACW had not been eliminated Votanic would have thought it perfect had been converted to werewolf.
Is that a fair read Votanic.

Re Charle who quickly accused me of being suspect for allegedly defending Strike.
How would I know if Strike was Werewolf before Night 1?

However Charle got so excited so quickly that he thought he knew I was werewolf that actually I think he is town even though he is wrong about me.

Re Extreme - his reticence to agree to act with Votaniuc before the Strike reveal does not strike me as necessarily fishy. I think he like me suspected Votanic had and was a strong enough player to have ulterior motives.

That brings me to Pixar.
Pixar has jumped straight in Day 2 accusing me.
That is suspicious and I have to vote early.

Therefore

Vote Pixar

[Ewebasher]

Ewebasher voted No Lynch after the confession, apparently to slow the lynch.

No I Unvoted No Lynch but didn't vote Strike as we were under the mistaken impression that you could be reset and seek confession twice in the one day hence we didn't want to rush to Lynch...

Once I realised you couldn't get that second confession EW very quickly (within 1 minute) voted to end the day...

[Devante]

Ya it happened pretty fast. I thought we still had till end of day friday but didn't realize day would end with enough votes. Find it odd there's already 2 players with votes against them unless they know something we don't. I think we should start with using the confessor again since that worked out so well day 1

[Devante]

Another question, who can vote at night anonymous like that? Would it not be the wolves or mod only? Or is there another power someone can have that that let's them do that. It seems like the sheriff is the only one who can cast 2 votes at a time so that would mean two players had to cast that vote in unison. Unless i'm wrong about and not only the sheriff has the two vote power.

[Votanic]

Another question, who can vote at night anonymous like that? Would it not be the wolves or mod only? Or is there another power someone can have that that let's them do that. It seems like the sheriff is the only one who can cast 2 votes at a time so that would mean two players had to cast that vote in unison. Unless i'm wrong about and not only the sheriff has the two vote power.

Yes, very good point. Looking over the odd roles in The Pact, could this be a modified form of the Predjudiced Manipulator or Piper?

[SoN!c]

It could have been The Actor using the Sheriff card?

[Votanic]

Another thing on my 'to do' list is analyse strike wolf from Day 1 both before and after his 'confession.
I'd like to add, that it is quite possible the wolves did already know each other on Day 1... but then again maybe not.

In either case, the following post he made before he was found out should be looked at closely.
If he knew, he would likely misdirect. If he did not know, these may be his own semi-honest speculations, or there reverse.

Take it we're already getting these "vote no lynch" since it's day 1 and we have no idea about anything really at this point right? I expect that's normal on the first day till more info is gathered or introduced from players. If so I'll follow suit

Its not set in stone. Different players have different beliefs in the matter. I personally believe that we should never go into Day 1 with the conclusion that we're going to no lynch because it takes pressure off any potential scum as Day 1 suspicions have a habit of disappearing D2.

I have been thinking more and more over the players.



Most of you have not really made an impact on me so far.

DDS: I am a little bit wary about his hesitancy to be investigated but the more I look at his play in comparison to The Tick Mafia where he was an anti-town role, he seems more assertive so far in this game. Voting No Lynch is also pretty standard play from him and being hesitant to use powers unnecessarily does seem to also fit that pattern. So ultimately I am leaning town. Still a meanie for voting me.

EW: His plan to investigate the potential sheriff before ultimately deciding is interesting. I was initially for it but I think DDS's reservations have mostly won me over to not using it yet. Some have cautioned that he might be trying to misdirect the investigation onto a townie to save a wolf from potential investigation. It seems possible but ultimately speculative. Neutral read but worth keeping an eye on.

Son!c: Outside of his conjecture about which roles line up with which secret roles, he's been on the tame side for Son!c so far. Either he's learning to be a little less in everyone's face about his theories or maybe this is how he plays as scum. Still active but trying to be less aggressive. That said, this is even more speculative than the EW investigation thought. Neutralish reading and Also a meanie for voting me.

Vot: Very active. Seems engaged both in reading people and figuring out the game. Leaning town.

Ewebasher: Perhaps it's just his name giving me misgivings but he seems to be more following than engaged. Could just be a newer player defaulting to backing more experienced players. Slight scummy read.

Strike: Pro-town hero unfairly blamed for his name.

Ultimately, this all brings me to Ragian who so far has basically just posted mostly fluff and one post where he kind of accuses DDS but puts little weight behind it. He really hasn't said much more than people who have only posted a couple times but he's used more posts to do it. Somewhat scummy vibe.

The first three listed DDS, EW, and Sonic all did things Day 1 that might well be interpreted as scummy.
In all cases he downplays or partly excuses the behavior. Overall, keeping an open mind and not jumping ahead of the evidence is good play. Reckless finger-pointing would draw much more attention.
Still, if he knew (or suspected) the other wolves identities, he would want to downplay their scum-reads.
If he did not know, it would be similar but more even cautious, besides townies that act scummy are almost as helpful to wolves as the wolves themselves.

Of course, imagining a 'perfect storm' quartet of wolves comprised of strike, DDS, Sonic, and EW is just too convenient. Are there no quiet wolves?, new player wolves?
Still, there is a vague, general tendency for scum to be more active than town early in the game.
Perhaps, it has something to do about being a (relative) know-it-all with clear goals and targets ...plus the brutal, animalistic fun of kill, lie, repeat.
Still, ultimately, Town is more satisfying, as deducing the mystery and separating truth for lie is the greater challenge.

Caution is still key, rereading Day 1 shows me that Ragian also seemed obnoxious on Day 1 and he was Town..,. Overall, cynicism and snarkiness are only scum-tells in certain situations. I can somewhat rationalize DDS and Sonic's quasi-scumminess as being based in healthy town-suspicion... but EW said and did some things on Day 1 that remain deeply suspicious.

After strike was identified.
• He readily admitted it without struggle. His reason being toto protect the other wolves, that might be 'inexperienced', as per ragian's posit)
• He whined about it like a wolf puppy with his paw in a trap, going on about deserving (more) time and how he was going to drop out anyway because of something called RL (?) Strike is experienced, so this might have all been some kind of psychological play-acting.
• He point out the Barkeep Role... for no explicable reason?!!
Is this to misdirect suspicion onto Loose Canon or, (spinning wineglasses) the reverse

So there is a lot of drama surrounding the Barkeep, Loose Canon.
• day 1, He voted EW for the lynch... but since he is the Barkeep his votes might just be inherently weird...
(Today, he defended EW in his post)
• He defended strike strongly, and with little hesitancy or doubting.
• Charle, Pixar, etc. have already declared him suspicious.
(He thinks this makes Charle town, but Pixar scum ???)
• so Day 2, he votes for Pixar... again he is the Barkeep.

I don't know, but I will say that the Barkeep's votes must not unduly sway Town votes, either for or against...
If Loose canon is town he will recall the team nature of this game, his personal protective powers are of only minor importance to Town.

FPed by Sonic: Yes, possibly the Actor. However, in the card game I believe the actor can only use secret roles, and only ones not held by other players.

[SoN!c]

So what great actor would use the sheriff card on himself? A genius one?

[Votanic]

So what great actor would use the sheriff card on himself? A genius one?

Actually, now I think it is the Scandalmonger. The graffiti and the two anonymous votes are connected.

[SoN!c]

So what great actor would use the sheriff card on himself? A genius one?

Actually, now I think it is the Scandalmonger. The graffiti and the two anonymous votes are connected.

Could very well be. All we know for now this game has just started

[Votanic]

So what great actor would use the sheriff card on himself? A genius one?

Actually, now I think it is the Scandalmonger. The graffiti and the two anonymous votes are connected.

Could this be a role held by a wolf? Or could the scandalmonger have actual intel to back up his suspicions?
If he doesn't have intel then this is just a nuisance role. ...or maybe third-party? ...or a mod-directed role?

Assuming this is the Scandalmonger...
@ The Scandalmonger:
Do you have intel that gives you a reason for saying this about DDS, or is it just your own hunch?
If you are town to you believe your action will help town or just cause confusion?
If you are the scandalmonger, and you are town, I think it might be helpful for you to declare your role rather than spread a personal rumor.

Btw, I'm not in any waysaying DDS is innocent, and he is definitely is deserving of scrutiny.
I'm just saying we don't need to have one player's own hunch delivered as an oracle.
...unless it truly is an oracle.

[Votanic]

So what great actor would use the sheriff card on himself? A genius one?

Actually, now I think it is the Scandalmonger. The graffiti and the two anonymous votes are connected.

Could very well be. All we know for now this game has just started

...Sonic, if you turn out to be the scandalmonger...
Then I might begin to seriously doubt that roles were randomly assigned.

[Extreme Ways]

Hi. I will catch up tomorrow but lets do this early.

All in all I think Day 1 went about as good as we could get. Too bad he was lynched so fast I couldn't get a vote in lol. Anyways I think Loose is our next guy to go after for defending Strike?

Perhaps there were 2 targets tonight (with a BBW in play) so those 2 were Ragian AND Votanic? Clearly Votanic got saved in the BBW scenario. Let's start by EW resetting Vot?

Agreed.

reset power votanic

[TrafalgarLaw01]

The Confessor can use his power again

[Votanic]

The Confessor can use his power again

Thanks, EW. That is a very town thing to do. Its not proof, but it would be real sacrifice for a wolf to do this.

So now, I want to hear from the Town (...and wolves).
Who should be made to confess?
Don't just give me names, please explain your reasoning.

[SoN!c]

So what great actor would use the sheriff card on himself? A genius one?

Actually, now I think it is the Scandalmonger. The graffiti and the two anonymous votes are connected.

Could very well be. All we know for now this game has just started

...Sonic, if you turn out to be the scandalmonger...
Then I might begin to seriously doubt that roles were randomly assigned.

You just love to scummify me. But all scummification aside it was you who cracked under the tiniest of tiny cracks.. the votitan submersible implosion.. just before your "Strike Gold" move.. And it was Ragian who voted Strike to be lynched as n°8 while i asked to take it slow before.. so at this point you can see whatever you want in the shadows Vot.

So yes this game has just begon. But no, im not the scandalmonger.