jusplay4fun wrote:Why do you misquote me? I never said those things. Did you go to the saxi school of how to LIE.
You posted data and didn't interpret it and then acted like it proved some kind of point that Biden has been bad for the economy. All I did was actually read, and then summarize what YOU posted. If you think I 'lied', then put in the work and show it!!
break what you posted down and then actually say what you think it means:
"Total nonfarm payroll employment
increased by 199,000 in November.
Employment growth is below the average
monthly gain of 240,000 over the prior 12
months but is in line with job growth in recent
months. In November, job gains occurred in
health care and government. Employment also
increased in manufacturing, reflecting the
return of workers from a strike. Employment in
retail trade declined.
The total nonfarm employment change for
September revised down from +297,000 to
+262,000, and the employment change for
October remained at +150,000. The
employment change over these months, on
net, is 35,000 lower than previously reported.
Average hourly earnings of all employees on
private-sector payrolls rose by 12 cents, or 0.4
percent, in November. Over the year, hourly
earnings have increased by 4.0 percent. In
November, average weekly hours of all
employees edged up 0.1 hour to 34.4 hours"
Your first quote is solely about Sept - Nov 2023. It shows jobs added, over 200,000, in a single month. It then says, the average monthly rate for 2023 was actually higher, at 240,000 new jobs per month being added. It then says Sept added more jobs than Nov, but October added less jobs but that all three months had 6 figures worth of new jobs added to the US economy each month. It then says workers earned .12c/hour MORE than they did in Oct, and says workers overall have had their pay increased by roughly 4% over the course of 2023.
I initially summarized this by saying - "more jobs, people are paid more under Biden administration in 2023"
WHERE DID I LIE?
Second part of your post was just a link:
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdfThis link is several pages which shows job changes broken down into broad groupings. You did not post anything about this link, you just added it with no context. There are only a few pages that show charts of the economy as a whole (not broken down by industry). While reading all the different pages of the PDF, I keyed in on this page which shows 3 years of job gains in virtually every month and then posted 'a chart showing 3 straight years of job gains in virtually every month'
WHERE DID I LIE?
You then posted this:
What type of jobs are being created?
Most New Jobs
OCCUPATION NUMBER OF NEW JOBS (PROJECTED), 2022-32 2022 MEDIAN PAY
Market research analysts and marketing specialists 116,600 $68,230 per year
Medical assistants 105,900 $38,270 per year
Management analysts 95,700 $95,290 per year
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck drivers 89,300 $49,920 per year
Again with no real context of the point you think it proves if any, along with a link that shows a much more extensive list then the 4 categories you posted above. here is the full chart:
I then summarized for you what the written data says "A bunch of numbers showing jobs being created" and what your linked to chart says "A chart showing 1,550,000 new jobs paying over $65k/year are projected to be created over 10 years, and another 1,700,000 jobs being created over 10 years paying under 65,000/year". I actually went ahead and did the math and added up all the jobs listed in the image above, and broke it into 'jobs added above 65K/year, jobs added below 65k/year'. Personally I don't see much value in this chart at all, because these are projected 10 year gains, which means it's just guesswork and not real tangible data... but I didn't post this link, you did.
WHERE DID I LIE ?
Finally you posted "A biased source" which leads to three pages specifically about the 2021 economy (only) which was published two years ago. the first two pages are written summary, and the final page is the chart I already posted earlier:
"The U.S. Added Manufacturing Jobs Across the Country in 2021
Under President Biden the economy has created 375,000 manufacturing jobs, adding
manufacturing jobs across the country and in key supply-chain industries
The U.S. added 375,000 manufacturing jobs since President Biden’s first full month in
office in February 2021. Notably, almost every state added manufacturing jobs in the first 11
months after President Biden came into office. By comparison, the economy added just 2,000
manufacturing jobs in 2019.
In addition to manufacturing, key supply-chain sectors critical for domestic production
and manufacturing have seen strong job gains in recent months and a robust recovery in
2021. Transportation and warehousing has fully recovered from the impact of the coronavirus
pandemic, and there are now 542,000 more jobs in the sector than before the coronavirus
recession. Construction has recovered 91% of the jobs lost during the pandemic.
Major companies have announced significant investments in American manufacturing. For
example, Intel has announced an investment of $20 billion to build what could be the largest
semiconductor manufacturing facility in the world. This investment is expected to create more
than 10,000 jobs. Similarly, major automobile manufacturers such as Ford and GM have created
partnerships with semiconductor manufacturers to support chip technology development and
innovation for electric vehicles. Boeing and GE Aviation also recently announced a $6.8 billion
deal to manufacture advanced freighters in Washington and Ohio.
Manufacturing jobs are a pathway to the middle class for American families, but the U.S.
previously experienced a decades-long decline in manufacturing
Manufacturing jobs have traditionally provided secure, high-paying jobs for workers
without a college degree. Manufacturing jobs frequently provide better pay, more consistent
hours and stronger worker protections than retail or other service industries. The loss of highquality manufacturing jobs was a major driver in the median income of working-class men
falling by 20% between 1990 and 2013.
Decades of outsourcing have eroded domestic manufacturing jobs and made the U.S.
reliant on imports for many manufactured goods. Manufacturing has long been a core
strength of the American economy, but increasing global competition has threatened many of
these high-quality jobs. Since January 2000, the United States has lost more than a quarter of all
domestic manufacturing jobs, a decline of about 4.7 million. Increased competition from China
led to an estimated 985,000 American manufacturing jobs lost between 1999 and 2011.
The U.S. Added Manufacturing Jobs Across the Country in 2021
PAGE 2
Proposals under consideration by Congress together would make critical investments in
infrastructure, domestic manufacturing of green technologies and innovation to sustain
and create American manufacturing jobs
The America COMPETES Act, the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and
a renegotiated Build Back Better Act would constitute the biggest investment in American
supply chains, manufacturing and innovation in modern history. By strengthening domestic
manufacturing, these investments will make American industries and consumers less reliant on a
volatile global supply chain. For example, the America COMPETES Act includes significant
investment in semiconductor manufacturing facilities that would reduce dependence on overseas
manufacturers. These bills also invest in programs that help American manufacturers innovate
and stay competitive, including technical assistance centers and apprenticeship programs.
The bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act invests in the physical
infrastructure fundamental for American businesses to thrive, such as ports, airports,
highways, and rail. By strengthening infrastructure across the country, the law enables trade to
function more smoothly and reduces costs for businesses. The act also will create the
infrastructure needed for widespread usage of electric vehicles, bolstering the growing electric
automobile manufacturing industry.
The America COMPETES Act creates a pipeline that begins with innovation and leads
to manufacturing jobs here in the U.S. By investing in everything from basic research, process
development, supply chain stability and manufacturing partnerships, the America COMPETES
Act encourages advanced technology and manufacturing from start to finish. Together, this suite
of policies represents a vital down payment on the future of the U.S. economy. Building off the
bipartisan Infrastructure and Jobs Investment Act, the America COMPETES Act invests $45
billion to strengthen supply chains. To encourage domestic production of semiconductors, the
bill also invests $52 billion in domestic chip manufacturing.
A renegotiated Build Back Better Act would invest in workforce development and green
manufacturing. A renegotiated Build Back Better Act would invest in paid job-training
programs to create a pathway to high-paying, union jobs that do not require a college degree and
help American manufacturing firms find the employees they need. Additionally, a range of
proposed Build Back Better tax credits would support domestic clean energy manufacturing, a
major investment that will help the U.S. compete internationally in clean energy production.
Once again, you didn't say why you posted it or what point you think it proves... But I went ahead and added the chart (page 3) which shows a massive growth in manufacturing jobs in the first year of Biden vs the last pre-pandemic Trump year (2019). To summarize what YOU posted I wrote "A series of charts published 2 years ago, for a period starting 3 years ago which shows a biden run economy adding way way way fucking more jobs that Trump in 2019[/url]
WHERE DID I LIE?
At no point here did I take data/links YOU posted and lie about them, I simply distilled the information down into digestible brief sentances. If you want to call what I wrote LIES then get off your lazy ass and SHOW THE LIES, INTERPRET THE DATA YOU ARE POSTING!!!
