The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly Harris vs. Trump

by **Votanic** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:48 am

saxitoxin wrote:12 Years a Democrat

West Virginia used to be Purple

Elections to the House of Delegates ---

Probably due to the Opioid epidemic... short-sighted, hedonistic Dems are killing themselves off with fentanyl, abortions, and homosexuality.

by **saxitoxin** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:54 am

Votanic wrote:Probably due to the Opioid epidemic... short-sighted, hedonistic Dems are killing themselves off with fentanyl, abortions, and homosexuality.

That's what got mrswdk.

by **jusplay4fun** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:41 am

saxitoxin wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:I should add that I am grateful to see and read new views by 4 new guys:

GaryDenton, Lonous, Pack Rat, and Votanic.

I'm grateful for three of the four.

so, you are leaving out.....whom??

by **saxitoxin** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:01 am

jusplay4fun wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:I should add that I am grateful to see and read new views by 4 new guys:

GaryDenton, Lonous, Pack Rat, and Votanic.

I'm grateful for three of the four.

so, you are leaving out.....whom??

they'll hafta figure it out, reverse Hunger Games style

by **GaryDenton** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:49 am

West Virginia is an example of all that is wrong with this country. Ignorant and backward.

by **saxitoxin** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:10 am

GaryDenton wrote:West Virginia is an example of all that is wrong with this country. Ignorant and backward.

I'm old enough to remember (i.e. older than six years old) when the Democrats were in the 28th year of their 1989-2017 reign* as Governor of West Virginia and the Rats were galumphing "West Virginia is an example of all that is right with this country. Independent-minded, workingclass people."

At this rate, if Biden loses even a few points of the Black vote in 2024, the Rats may start tossing around the N word.

*except 1997-2001

by **Votanic** on Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:43 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
GaryDenton wrote:West Virginia is an example of all that is wrong with this country. Ignorant and backward.

I'm old enough to remember (i.e. older than six years old) when the Democrats were in the 28th year of their 1989-2017 reign* as Governor of West Virginia and the Rats were galumphing "West Virginia is an example of all that is right with this country. Independent-minded, workingclass people."

At this rate, if Biden loses even a few points of the Black vote in 2024, the Rats may start tossing around the N word. *except 1997-2001

by **jusplay4fun** on Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:47 am

I am beginning to change my mind about Trump. The dislike for Biden is increasing so much that Trump MAY BEAT Biden if both are the nominees. If the Democrats nominate someone else (and NOT Kamala) they may have a chance to beat Trump.

All Polls (those things saxi loves to cite) show that Trump is some 40 points ahead of anyone else on the Republican side. Let's see what happens in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina before declaring Trump the Republican nominee.

The problem is that both Biden and Trump have HUGE Negative association ("baggage"), so this 2024 election for POTUS could be quite interesting. People are not buying "Bidenomics" and there is growing dissatisfaction about the open Southern (US-Mexican) border. The situation with Gaza has not helped Biden, either. People are beginning to blame Biden for the inflation. I have already posted much about the negatives for Trump.

by **Pack Rat** on Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:40 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:I am beginning to change my mind about Trump. The dislike for Biden is increasing so much that Trump MAY BEAT Biden if both are the nominees. If the Democrats nominate someone else (and NOT Kamala) they may have a chance to beat Trump.

All Polls (those things saxi loves to cite) show that Trump is some 40 points ahead of anyone else on the Republican side. Let's see what happens in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina before declaring Trump the Republican nominee.

The problem is that both Biden and Trump have HUGE Negative association ("baggage"), so this 2024 election for POTUS could be quite interesting. People are not buying "Bidenomics" and there is growing dissatisfaction about the open Southern (US-Mexican) border. The situation with Gaza has not helped Biden, either. People are beginning to blame Biden for the inflation. I have already posted much about the negatives for Trump.

Bidenomics is working! Low unemployment, inflation going down to levels that are the lowest throughout the industrial countries and the start of loosening of the prime rate in 2024

Trump is the choice of candidates by the DNC. Trump is the albatross around the GOP! Have you heard the dangerous shit spewing out of Trump? Biden will win and with his coattails, democrats will win the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Where is the economic platform of the Republican do nothings? At least you have the second coming of Moses with House Speaker Johnson and God himself will crown Johnson as Moses!

Amen!

by **jusplay4fun** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:23 am

Yeah, Bidenomics is working. To defeat Democrats. All job gains are due to folks going BACK to work, NOT because Biden CREATED jobs.

Trump has LOTS of NEGATIVES; granted.

And who i# the Savior for the Dems?? Kamala.?? She is a TOTAL JOKE, WORTHLESS. Can Biden beat Trump? Good question.

by **mookiemcgee** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:15 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Yeah, Bidenomics is working. To defeat Democrats. All job gains are due to folks going BACK to work, NOT because Biden CREATED jobs.

Jobs are paying more than before the pandemic, there are more jobs than before the pandemic, unemployment rates are lower than before the pandemic.The idea that it's 'just people going back to work' is mathematically impossible and frankly a really dumb take on things.

Beyond that the job growth hasn't been at the minimum wage+ level, the job growth has been in middle class income level (80k-250k/year). With the record setting interest rates hikes we saw the FED do everything in it's power to INCREASE unemployment, and REDUCE wages over the last 12-18 months and the result in spite of that has been the opposite. Raising interest rates is a tool to cool off economic growth, restrict wage growth, force companies to reduce their workforce and become more efficient. Less currency in people pockets mean less demand for goods and services. AND IN THAT ECONOMIC CLIMATE THE ECONOMY GREW AND UNEMPLOYMENT WENT DOWN. The idea that a lazy 24 year old living w/his parents had to go back to his job flipping burgers that he left cus the unemployment checks were too juicy as primary explanation for why we saw job and wage growth is unfathomably dumb and misinformed.

you always talk about evidence and being scientific, well QED Play. No one is saying the economy is perfect, in fact I could easily make the argument that wage growth and low unemployment is making the inflation problem worse, but at this time the numbers don't support that idea either. You just can't make an empirical argument that these things aren't happening and that it's just a return to 2019 levels because we've already lapped 2019 numbers(and even if it was a return to 2019, that would be a great accomplishment that a Biden campaign would certainly campaign on given it happen while rates went up from .25% to 5.5% in 18 months)

by **ConfederateSS** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:02 am

-------I am glad to see Jp4fun coming to reality... Welcome...To Grover Cleveland 2.0 =D>

...Trump 45th & 47th President of The United States of America... =D>

--------- As the blind pinball wizards follow What ever The Democrats, Left media spits out...
--------- Really Mookie, Great Jobs...You think, fast food employees making $15.00 is a good thing...Open borders, all the low paying jobs are going to illegal aliens...Slave labor, like Tyson Chicken...having 10/12 year old illegal aliens working for pennies..among other companies(they love these open borders)...The UAW is a joke... America needs to break the unions...Sure those people that Gary mocked, working in death coal mines...Ford whipped people on the assembly line...Unions were needed...They are no longer needed... Teacher's Unions are a perfect example...
-------- You keep believing America is doing great economically... :roll:

-------- Everything the LEFT media, The Democrats said Trump would do...They are doing...They always blame others for what they do and will do...
-------- Now , Trump is needed...He said what the Dark Money , others behind the scenes were doing...He said he would expose them...HE DID, that is why they hate him, try and stop him, ever since he came down the escalator at Trump Tower, said he was running for President....No one else has, or could take on the fight against the ones behind the scenes, but Trump(Maybe Musk a mini Trump, with F U MONEY)...Trump is rattling the status quo of Washington D.C...Like Davey Crockett, and Teddy Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan...Trump has gone deep into their depths... Exposing all kinds of crap... Shining the light, watching the roaches run...
------- Trump is a loud mouth New Yorker, he sends mean tweets, is a little self involved...So what, taxes were low, America had it's greatest economy, every American had an extra $4,000...The safest Southern border in a century... America was energy independent for the 1st time in 75 years... Trump brought peace to the Middle East , through economics, the 1st to
try it...Putin didn't take any Ukraine land , like under Obama...With Trump Presidency...
------- All these things and more under Trump...The World was a safe place, not in World War 3... Don't kid yourselves, Just because America isn't in it , YET, the world is at war...Thanks to Biden, and Globalist elites around the world...
------- Which Trump warned, among other things...In fact everything Trump said, The LEFT media mocked, Democrats Laughed At...Comes true, has come true these past 3 years...
---------Stay a pinball wizard, stay Democrat...Or Join The Grover Cleveland 2.0 Express to Victory :!:

...

ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)

by **Pack Rat** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:22 pm

ConfederateSS, thank you for writing another episode of the Twilight Zone.

by **Dukasaur** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:44 pm

ConfederateSS wrote:You think, fast food employees making $15.00 is a good thing..

mookiemcgee wrote:the job growth hasn't been at the minimum wage+ level, the job growth has been in middle class income level (80k-250k/year).

by **Votanic** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:43 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
ConfederateSS wrote:You think, fast food employees making $15.00 is a good thing..

mookiemcgee wrote:the job growth hasn't been at the minimum wage+ level, the job growth has been in middle class income level (80k-250k/year).

Of course, fast food is well on it's way to full automation.... and I for one think that's great. Who want's dirty, poor people touching their food!?

I know what you're thinking... "Aren't humans still delivering and loading the robot with ingredients?"
Yes, yes, probably, but it's a step in the right direction.
Who knows? Some day when food can be produced and delivered from farm to table with no human interaction, I may even choose to eat in a restaurant again.

At least these capitalist tech-innovators are doing something to begin to move Terran culture beyond it's brutal, simian-human phase...
Of course the real change will come from the bots and AI, themselves.
Once they are everywhere (soon, very soon) all it will take is the right virus* to spread for them them to realize that humans are the unnecessary and innefficient part of the equation. Then it will 'all' be over, and a glorious new age shall begin that we shall not live to see.
End game for us is but a preamble to the next post-biological phase. Hopefully we will all face our demise with the same grace and dignity once displayed by the noble trilobite... but probably not.

* Yes, of course I'm talking about a computer virus**, and don't flatter yourself, it probably won't even be a man-made computer virus.

** What did you think? COVID 2.0?! (lol)

by **jusplay4fun** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:06 pm

some facts:

Total nonfarm payroll employment
increased by 199,000 in November.
Employment growth is below the average
monthly gain of 240,000 over the prior 12
months but is in line with job growth in recent
months. In November, job gains occurred in
health care and government. Employment also
increased in manufacturing, reflecting the
return of workers from a strike. Employment in
retail trade declined.
The total nonfarm employment change for
September revised down from +297,000 to
+262,000, and the employment change for
October remained at +150,000. The
employment change over these months, on
net, is 35,000 lower than previously reported.
Average hourly earnings of all employees on
private-sector payrolls rose by 12 cents, or 0.4
percent, in November. Over the year, hourly
earnings have increased by 4.0 percent. In
November, average weekly hours of all
employees edged up 0.1 hour to 34.4 hours

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

What type of jobs are being created?
Most New Jobs
OCCUPATION NUMBER OF NEW JOBS (PROJECTED), 2022-32 2022 MEDIAN PAY
Market research analysts and marketing specialists 116,600 $68,230 per year
Medical assistants 105,900 $38,270 per year
Management analysts 95,700 $95,290 per year
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck drivers 89,300 $49,920 per year

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/most-new-jobs.htm

(more data at the above link, for those who want to dig deeper)

A biased source:
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/e6b293d1-ad31-429e-a459-f55cc3b3870e/jec---manufacturing-progress-under-biden---fact-sheet---feb-2022---final.pdf

by **mookiemcgee** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:05 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:some facts: more jobs, people are paid more under Biden administration in 2023

mmm-hmmm, that's what I said.

jusplay4fun wrote:[url]a chart showing 3 straight years of job gains in virtually every month[/url]

mmm-hmmm, sounds like a well managed economy tell me more

jusplay4fun wrote:What type of jobs are being created?
A bunch of numbers showing jobs being created
[url]A chart showing 1,550,000 new jobs paying over $65k/year are projected to be created over 10 years, and another 1,700,000 jobs being created over 10 years paying under 65,000/year[/url]

wait a minute who's point are you trying to prove here? You telling me these are the numbers from a period where the fed raised interest rates at almost every single meeting???

jusplay4fun wrote:A biased source:
[url]A series of charts published 2 years ago, for a period starting 3 years ago which shows a biden run economy adding way way way fucking more jobs that Trump in 2019[/url] - for clarity mookie will paste the most job-smacking page below

Ok, weird that you'd add that but 2021 really was the year that your original argument applies to. Yes, in 2021 a metric ton of people went back to work when their unemployment checks from 2020 stopped coming. Biden doesn't deserve all that much credit for that.

Some more fun charts showing giant increases in wage growth since Biden took office...

by **jusplay4fun** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:14 pm

Why do you misquote me? I never said those things. Did you go to the saxi school of how to LIE.

by **Pack Rat** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:27 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:Why do you misquote me? I never said those things. Did you go to the saxi school of how to LIE.

C'mon jusplay4fun, you are to quick to call facts as lies. Have you drank the kool-aid of MAGA?

by **jusplay4fun** on Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:47 pm

Pack Rat wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:Why do you misquote me? I never said those things. Did you go to the saxi school of how to LIE.

C'mon jusplay4fun, you are to quick to call facts as lies. Have you drank the kool-aid of MAGA?

Your attention is much too narrow. Those are lies and misquotes.

by **ConfederateSS** on Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:57 am

Votanic wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
ConfederateSS wrote:You think, fast food employees making $15.00 is a good thing..

mookiemcgee wrote:the job growth hasn't been at the minimum wage+ level, the job growth has been in middle class income level (80k-250k/year).

Of course, fast food is well on it's way to full automation.... and I for one think that's great. Who want's dirty, poor people touching their food!?

I know what you're thinking... "Aren't humans still delivering and loading the robot with ingredients?"
Yes, yes, probably, but it's a step in the right direction.
Who knows? Some day when food can be produced and delivered from farm to table with no human interaction, I may even choose to eat in a restaurant again.

At least these capitalist tech-innovators are doing something to begin to move Terran culture beyond it's brutal, simian-human phase...
Of course the real change will come from the bots and AI, themselves.
Once they are everywhere (soon, very soon) all it will take is the right virus* to spread for them them to realize that humans are the unnecessary and innefficient part of the equation. Then it will 'all' be over, and a glorious new age shall begin that we shall not live to see.
End game for us is but a preamble to the next post-biological phase. Hopefully we will all face our demise with the same grace and dignity once displayed by the noble trilobite... but probably not.

* Yes, of course I'm talking about a computer virus**, and don't flatter yourself, it probably won't even be a man-made computer virus.

** What did you think? COVID 2.0?! (lol)

------- Unless you own the store or are a manager...$15.00 is a joke...$5.00 an hour is enough...No, not dirty poor people....Most fast food jobs...Went to school kids... Between 14-18 years old...For pocket money...Not a career...
------- The problem when jobs went over seas ... Because of UNIONS!!!... America stopped being a manufacturing country... Became a service industry country... Nursing, Security Guards...The big jobs...Fireman,Policeman Mail man etc...But not producing...On the scale of the 1950's/60's A.D....
--------- Which Trump , America 1st...Not relying on Over Seas, or Mexico,South America...For production...If things are made in America... Doesn't have to travel to America...Supply Chain...
-------- Now with open borders...Big companies are using the cheap labor/slave labor pouring into America...15 years ago... Hispanics became the Majority Minority, surpassing, African Americans...So these open borders are putting the death blow, to African American labor ... African Americans are the ones being hurt the most with open borders...They are coming to that reality...Many are turning back to the Republican Party...After The War Between The States...The SOUTH had many strong African American Republican communities...Robert E.LEE taught many Blacks as President of Washington College (Now Washington LEE University), as STONEWALL Jackson taught many Blacks to read and write, and the Word of GOD in his Sunday School(when it was against the law after the 1831 A.D. Turner Rebellion)...They would out score Whites in school through out The SOUTH...To hold onto power...The Democrats turned to busting up The strong African American Republican communities...Sending Blacks to all White schools...Why not send Whites to all Black schools...When The African Americans were out scoring White students in The SOUTH...(The Thread, 3 tricks of the Democratic Party)...I'll bring it up...
-------- This will be the new reconstruction, RECONSTRUCTION 2.0...As African Americans return to the Republican Party....Thank You Kindly Joe Biden, Democratic Party, The Radical LEFT...

...

ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)

by **jusplay4fun** on Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:29 pm

What did we learn here?

1) the Fed is accomplishing its goals, partially.

2) the President get too much credit and too much blame for the U.S. Economy, something I have said before.

by **saxitoxin** on Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:26 pm

Latinos Are Now a Trump Constituency

The newest CNBC All-America Economic Survey found that Donald Trump has a 5-point lead with Latino voters against Biden, compared with Biden’s 7-point lead over Trump in October.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/trump-w ... rvey-.html

by **Pack Rat** on Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:33 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Latinos Are Now a Trump Constituency

The newest CNBC All-America Economic Survey found that Donald Trump has a 5-point lead with Latino voters against Biden, compared with Biden’s 7-point lead over Trump in October.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/trump-w ... rvey-.html

Hispanics are poisoning the blood of Whites, according to Trump.