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by jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:56 pm
bigtoughralf wrote:Dukasaur wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:It was Biden's words and actions at the very start of his Administration that ENCOURAGED immigrants.
Which words? Please indicate exactly which words you think encouraged people to immigrate.
He only needed one:
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by jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:04 pm
Dukasaur wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:
It was Biden's words and actions at the very start of his Administration that ENCOURAGED immigrants.
Which words? Please indicate exactly which words you think encouraged people to immigrate.
Remarks by President Biden on Border Security and Enforcement
HOME
BRIEFING ROOM
SPEECHES AND REMARKS
Roosevelt Room
11:54 A.M. EST
THE PRESIDENT: Hi, everybody. Sorry to keep you waiting. There’s a lot going on.
Today, I’d like to — the Vice President and I would like to talk you about how my administration is dealing with our situation in the southwest border.
Now, these actions alone that I’m going to announce today aren’t going to fix our entire immigration system, but they can help us a good deal in better managing what is a difficult challenge.
On my first day in office, some of you may recall, who cover this area — and they cover it well — I sent Congress a comprehensive piece of legislation that would completely overhaul what has been a broken immigration system for a long time: cracking down on illegal immigration; strengthening legal immigration; and protecting DREAMers, those with temporary protected status, and farmworkers, who all are part of the fabric of our nation.
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Today, my administration is taking several steps to stiffen enforcement for those who try to come without a legal right to stay, and to put in place a faster process — I emphasize a “faster process” — to decide a claim of asylum, someone who says, “I’m coming because I’m escaping oppression.” Well, there’s got to be a way to determine that much quicker for people who are credibly seeking protection from persecution.
Since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021, his administration has acted on a number of fronts to reverse Trump-era restrictions on immigration to the United States. The steps include plans to boost refugee admissions, preserving deportation relief for unauthorized immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and not enforcing the “public charge” rule that denies green cards to immigrants who might use public benefits like Medicaid.
Biden has also lifted restrictions established early in the coronavirus pandemic that drastically reduced the number of visas issued to immigrants. The number of people who received a green card declined from about 240,000 in the second quarter of the 2020 fiscal year (January to March) to about 79,000 in the third quarter (April to June). By comparison, in the third quarter of fiscal 2019, nearly 266,000 people received a green card.
Biden’s biggest immigration proposal to date would allow more new immigrants into the U.S. while giving millions of unauthorized immigrants who are already in the country a pathway to legal status. The expansive legislation would create an eight-year path to citizenship for the nation’s estimated 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants, update the existing family-based immigration system, revise employment-based visa rules and increase the number of diversity visas. By contrast, President Donald Trump’s administration sought to restrict legal immigration in a variety of ways, including through legislation that would have overhauled the nation’s legal immigration system by sharply reducing family-based immigration.
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by Dukasaur on Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:15 pm
jimboston wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Legalisms aside…
Right… because “International Law” only is valid if it can be enforced and countries have an obligation to their citizens to end treaties that don’t work.
jimboston wrote:Note… I’m NOT arguing that immigration is bad. I’m arguing against the idea that we (The USA) are OBLIGATED to take all these undocumented claiming sanctuary.
jimboston wrote:Dukasaur wrote: the provision of sanctuary to those who are fleeing from tyrants is a moral obligation older than law, and echoed in thousands of legal, moral, and ethical systems over the millennia.
I understand the “moral obligation” argument… and as a man raised with Christian Ethics I agree with this argument for the most part. The questions come up in a few ways…
*Is there a number or time when “it’s just too much”? Is there ever a situation where a country could reasonably say “we have too many of our own problems and can’t help anymore?”
*Is there a rate of flow that’s “too high”? Is it not reasonable to sometime say… “Hey we can only handle X people/month… but we have 2X people/month showing up. We just can’t safely and properly handle the influx at this rate.”
jimboston wrote:*What “qualifies” for entrance as a refugee? Many liberals argue that “extreme poverty” alone is enough… you talk about “fleeing tyrants”… who defines these “rules”? If someone just dislikes their level of freedom or their form of government, yet they were able to work and eat…would that count? Is just “feeling unsafe” in your home country enough?
jimboston wrote:.Dukasaur wrote:Partly it's an economic thing. Immigrants work five times as hard as people born in first world countries. They are like nitrous to the economy!
Can you provide evidence to support and quantify that “five times as hard” assumption?
Seriously though… I will concede that from my anecdotal experience I believe immigrants are hard workers, and often work harder than many Americans. I will NOT concede to the “five times as hard” assumption… nor will I agree that this is an absolute. That said, I think we can agree that smart immigration can and does provide a major benefit to my country and yours.
jimboston wrote:This though is tied in with the “flow” point mentioned earlier… because they can only add value if they;
*are able to find jobs
*get support
*get to places where they can be part of a community and where their labor is needed
None of this can happen if they are flowing in too fast to process.
jimboston wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Most people, unfortunately, are too stupid to see it. They see only the short-term costs of integrating immigrants, and completely forget the vast long-term benefits.
How about you revise this sentence to say “many” people are to stupid to see it… not “most” people.
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by Dukasaur on Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:17 pm
jusplay4fun wrote:bigtoughralf wrote:Dukasaur wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:It was Biden's words and actions at the very start of his Administration that ENCOURAGED immigrants.
Which words? Please indicate exactly which words you think encouraged people to immigrate.
He only needed one:
I think that ralph has shown it well.
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by jimboston on Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:13 pm
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Legalisms aside…
Right… because “International Law” only is valid if it can be enforced and countries have an obligation to their citizens to end treaties that don’t work.
Yeah, you could repudiate the 1967 Protocol, I suppose. But it would look bad for the self-proclaimed Center of the Free World to do so. So you continue to be a partner to the Protocol while extralegally subverting it.
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:Note… I’m NOT arguing that immigration is bad. I’m arguing against the idea that we (The USA) are OBLIGATED to take all these undocumented claiming sanctuary.
To be completely clear, you are not obligated to take them. You are only obligated to give them shelter temporarily until their case is heard. If their case is heard and found wanting, you're free to ship them back. But what has been happening (and it's not new, it's been getting worse for decades) is that their cases are NOT being heard.
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:Dukasaur wrote: the provision of sanctuary to those who are fleeing from tyrants is a moral obligation older than law, and echoed in thousands of legal, moral, and ethical systems over the millennia.
I understand the “moral obligation” argument… and as a man raised with Christian Ethics I agree with this argument for the most part. The questions come up in a few ways…
*Is there a number or time when “it’s just too much”? Is there ever a situation where a country could reasonably say “we have too many of our own problems and can’t help anymore?”
*Is there a rate of flow that’s “too high”? Is it not reasonable to sometime say… “Hey we can only handle X people/month… but we have 2X people/month showing up. We just can’t safely and properly handle the influx at this rate.”
Yes, I think it can be perfectly reasonable to say "We are in favour of giving refuge to those who need it, but we are really overloaded right now."
But that's not what most of your politicians are saying.
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:*What “qualifies” for entrance as a refugee? Many liberals argue that “extreme poverty” alone is enough… you talk about “fleeing tyrants”… who defines these “rules”? If someone just dislikes their level of freedom or their form of government, yet they were able to work and eat…would that count? Is just “feeling unsafe” in your home country enough?
That's why a refugee is supposed to have a hearing in front of an impartial panel, to examine if his feeling of being at risk is justified. The wording of the Protocol is "where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion." Strictly speaking, extreme poverty alone is not enough. However, I think an argument can be made. If, for instance, you are so poor that the only plausible way forward is to join a drug gang or a prostitution ring, I think a case could be made that your life or liberty is in danger just by virtue of the fact that you don't believe in selling drugs or flesh. But it's not for me to decide -- it is for an impartial panel. This is, once again, the problem -- that you are denying people the hearing they are entitled to.
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:.Dukasaur wrote:Partly it's an economic thing. Immigrants work five times as hard as people born in first world countries. They are like nitrous to the economy!
Can you provide evidence to support and quantify that “five times as hard” assumption?
Seriously though… I will concede that from my anecdotal experience I believe immigrants are hard workers, and often work harder than many Americans. I will NOT concede to the “five times as hard” assumption… nor will I agree that this is an absolute. That said, I think we can agree that smart immigration can and does provide a major benefit to my country and yours.
I have anecdotal evidence which I've mentioned in this forum several times. Not going to waste time on it again. Yes, the "five times" multiple is an obvious exaggeration, but since you're willing to concede that most immigrants are hard workers, that's enough. I think we agree more than we disagree.
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:This though is tied in with the “flow” point mentioned earlier… because they can only add value if they;
*are able to find jobs
*get support
*get to places where they can be part of a community and where their labor is needed
None of this can happen if they are flowing in too fast to process.
True enough. But I think, unfortunately, that slow processing is an intentional part of the system.
Dukasaur wrote:jimboston wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Most people, unfortunately, are too stupid to see it. They see only the short-term costs of integrating immigrants, and completely forget the vast long-term benefits.
How about you revise this sentence to say “many” people are to stupid to see it… not “most” people.
Sure. Not having any stats to work with, I'm happy to let that slide.
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by mookiemcgee on Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:38 pm
ConfederateSS wrote: Vote for Kamala
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by saxitoxin on Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:06 pm
Lady Gaga’s dad is leading the charge against unruly migrants living near his Upper West Side home and restaurant — griping they’re flooding the ritzy neighborhood with a constant stream of hookers and other bad behavior.
“If it was like this when my girls were growing up, I wouldn’t be living in New York,” said Joe Germanotta, 66, who is compiling a list of local residents’ concerns to take to lawmakers, the NYPD, and the homeless services in protest.
About six weeks ago, the city quietly and quickly transformed the Stratford Arms Hotel — a residence hall for the American Musical and Dramatic Academy (AMDA) down the block from Germanotta’s home — into a shelter for hundreds of migrants arriving daily on state-chartered buses from Texas.
Since the arrival of the migrants, the restaurateur said the quality of life in the area has taken a hit, with impromptu block parties outside the hotel that last into the early morning, prostitution, kids getting catcalled, and reckless e-bikes and motor-scooter drivers wreaking havoc on one-way streets.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/lady-gaga ... rms-hotel/
pmac666 wrote:Theres something in motion you cannot comprehend. Cant wait for the tears tho.
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by jimboston on Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:22 pm
mookiemcgee wrote:
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by mookiemcgee on Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:10 pm
jimboston wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:
What exactly does this demonstrate?
They named maybe 10 of the top 100 worst “real americans’.
Not factoring for time (just using current population stats) this people represent about 0.000003% of Americans.
This is a non statistical (albeit kinda funny) “survey” that has no meaning.
If this demonstrates something more significant than that LMK.
ConfederateSS wrote: Vote for Kamala
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by jimboston on Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:23 pm
mookiemcgee wrote:jimboston wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:
What exactly does this demonstrate?
They named maybe 10 of the top 100 worst “real americans’.
Not factoring for time (just using current population stats) this people represent about 0.000003% of Americans.
This is a non statistical (albeit kinda funny) “survey” that has no meaning.
If this demonstrates something more significant than that LMK.
jimboston
by jusplay4fun on Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:09 am
The number of migrants crossing the US-Mexico border is likely to keep growing. Here are 3 reasons why
By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
Published 2:50 PM EDT, Thu September 21, 2023
Migrant crossings are rising again at the US-Mexico border.
Why is this occurring, and what could happen next?
To better understand the situation, CNN spoke with Ariel Ruiz Soto, a senior policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute in Washington.
1. There’s been a steep rise in Venezuelans crossing the Darien Gap
2. Many migrants have been waiting in Mexico for months
US policies at the border changed in May when authorities lifted pandemic-era public health restrictions and put in place new measures aimed at deterring illegal immigration. And data in the immediate aftermath seemed to suggest the deterrent effect was working.
But even though the number of apprehensions at the US-Mexico border decreased, Ruiz says data from officials in Mexico and Honduras told a different story. Yes, the number of migrants crossing into the US had decreased. But migrants were still making their way north across Central America and Mexico.
“People were migrating,” Ruiz says. “They were just spending more time in Mexico.”
3. The number of Mexican migrants has ‘increased notably’
Increases in violence in certain regions of Mexico have also fueled more migration.
“More Mexicans are trying to come,” Ruiz says.
Why illegal crossings are on the rise at the southern border
Illegal border crossings have been going up after falling to a two-year low in June. CBS News immigration reporter Camilo Montoya-Galvez examines possible reasons behind the increase.
SEPT 19, 2023
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by Dukasaur on Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:00 am
jusplay4fun wrote:The number of migrants crossing the US-Mexico border is likely to keep growing. Here are 3 reasons why
By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
Published 2:50 PM EDT, Thu September 21, 2023
Migrant crossings are rising again at the US-Mexico border.
Why is this occurring, and what could happen next?
To better understand the situation, CNN spoke with Ariel Ruiz Soto, a senior policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute in Washington.
1. There’s been a steep rise in Venezuelans crossing the Darien Gap
2. Many migrants have been waiting in Mexico for months
US policies at the border changed in May when authorities lifted pandemic-era public health restrictions and put in place new measures aimed at deterring illegal immigration. And data in the immediate aftermath seemed to suggest the deterrent effect was working.
But even though the number of apprehensions at the US-Mexico border decreased, Ruiz says data from officials in Mexico and Honduras told a different story. Yes, the number of migrants crossing into the US had decreased. But migrants were still making their way north across Central America and Mexico.
“People were migrating,” Ruiz says. “They were just spending more time in Mexico.”
3. The number of Mexican migrants has ‘increased notably’
Increases in violence in certain regions of Mexico have also fueled more migration.
“More Mexicans are trying to come,” Ruiz says.
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by jusplay4fun on Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:13 pm
Dukasaur wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:The number of migrants crossing the US-Mexico border is likely to keep growing. Here are 3 reasons why
By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
Published 2:50 PM EDT, Thu September 21, 2023
Migrant crossings are rising again at the US-Mexico border.
Why is this occurring, and what could happen next?
To better understand the situation, CNN spoke with Ariel Ruiz Soto, a senior policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute in Washington.
1. There’s been a steep rise in Venezuelans crossing the Darien Gap
2. Many migrants have been waiting in Mexico for months
US policies at the border changed in May when authorities lifted pandemic-era public health restrictions and put in place new measures aimed at deterring illegal immigration. And data in the immediate aftermath seemed to suggest the deterrent effect was working.
But even though the number of apprehensions at the US-Mexico border decreased, Ruiz says data from officials in Mexico and Honduras told a different story. Yes, the number of migrants crossing into the US had decreased. But migrants were still making their way north across Central America and Mexico.
“People were migrating,” Ruiz says. “They were just spending more time in Mexico.”
3. The number of Mexican migrants has ‘increased notably’
Increases in violence in certain regions of Mexico have also fueled more migration.
“More Mexicans are trying to come,” Ruiz says.
None of the three causes cited here have anything to do with Biden. Is it time to change your misleading title?
Biden admin announces policy allowing nearly 500,000 Venezuelans to apply for work permits
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by jusplay4fun on Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:33 am
Biden administration bypasses 26 federal laws to build additional border wall in South Texas amid political pressure
Priscilla Alvarez
By Priscilla Alvarez, CNN
Updated 10:09 AM EDT, Thu October 5, 2023
Washington
CNN
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The Biden administration will waive 26 laws to build additional border barriers in the Rio Grande Valley, according to a notice posted to the Federal Register Wednesday, citing “high illegal entry.”
Construction of the wall will be paid for using already appropriated funds earmarked specifically for physical border barriers, and the administration was under a deadline to use them. But the move comes at a time when a new surge of migrants is straining federal and local resources and placing heavy political pressure on the Biden administration to address a sprawling crisis.
Border Patrol reported nearly 300,000 encounters in the Rio Grande Valley sector between last October and August, according to federal data. Last month, Border Patrol apprehended more than 200,000 migrants crossing the US-Mexico border, the highest total this year.
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by Lonous on Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:43 pm
Lonous
by jusplay4fun on Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:14 am
Lonous wrote:The Mayor of NYC was flying down to a number of central/south american countries to perform his own investigation into why the border crisis has surged.
Biden has to take some form of action. Doing nothing runs the risk of the impossible happening: New York voting republican.
jusplay4fun
by ConfederateSS on Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:19 am
jusplay4fun wrote:Lonous wrote:The Mayor of NYC was flying down to a number of central/south american countries to perform his own investigation into why the border crisis has surged.
Biden has to take some form of action. Doing nothing runs the risk of the impossible happening: New York voting republican.
NO Way…! LoL.
... 
ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... 
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by jusplay4fun on Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:01 am
Federal authorities reported a seven-day average of more than 9,600 migrant encounters along the US southern border in December, according to a Homeland Security official, among the highest amounts ever recorded as the US wrestles with an unprecedented surge.
Authorities are apprehending record levels of migrants at the US southern border on a daily basis, stretching already overwhelmed resources. The seven-day average reported on November 28 was around 6,800 encounters.
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by Votanic on Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:15 am
jusplay4fun wrote:Biden continues to make a mess of illegal immigration:Federal authorities reported a seven-day average of more than 9,600 migrant encounters along the US southern border in December, according to a Homeland Security official, among the highest amounts ever recorded as the US wrestles with an unprecedented surge.
Authorities are apprehending record levels of migrants at the US southern border on a daily basis, stretching already overwhelmed resources. The seven-day average reported on November 28 was around 6,800 encounters.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/22/politics/border-surge-record-amounts/index.html
Remember, this is one of the HUGE issues that got Trump elected President (POTUS) in 2016.
Votanic
by pmac666 on Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:33 am
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by Votanic on Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:48 pm
pmac666 wrote:I have a question.
Since theres such a crisis, what bill have the reps in congress put forward to do something against it?
Oh, none you say? Crazy.
Can it be that republicans arent interested in solving the border problem? Wouldnt they lose their biggest talkingpoint?
Its also interesting that republicans always tell us that the gvmt isnt working. Then they get voted in and immediatly proof it.
Guess Hunter Bidens dick is more important.
Votanic
by pmac666 on Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:54 pm
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by mookiemcgee on Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:39 pm
Votanic wrote:...and please, you are doubtlessly gnashing your teeth that Hunter isn't Trump's son.
All the same, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
ConfederateSS wrote: Vote for Kamala
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by pmac666 on Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:02 pm
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