Abusing the invite system - josko.ri

[Donelladan]

Therefore, more than triple more often (61%) did I join games as team 2 on map/settings chosen by high ranked opponents, than how much did I invite high ranked opponents to my hive games (20).

You invited to more than 20 games, you said it yourself, you invited top 100 players, just only 20 accepted.
But, I agree with you, a fair share of your games aren't on hive against invited players.

Therefore, when i invest so much time in planning and in actually playing, then i desire that my time is spent in efficient way versus opponents who are skilled,

If that was your purpose, I think you failed, since lot of the people you invited don't have any skills at playing the hive map unlimited, that's the main thing I'm saying in the first post.
I'm pretty sure there are several majors that would give you a much harder time at hive unlimited that the players you actually faced here.

Why should I make public games and wait for anyone who wish to join?

Make private games and share the password among the 3k + player, I don't care. Organize a tournament with a points limit, I also won't care.
But massively inviting players, I think it's abusing the invite system. Especially if you end up playing a majority of players that have no clue what they're doing.
But, this is just my personal opinion.
Do things how you see fit of course.
Though if you keep going through the invite methods, I'll probably be gathering the games and make a more clear cut case than this one.

[josko.ri]

Ok my last post as I presented enough defensive arguments already, just to reply to your last lame attempts to show me as abuser.

Therefore, more than triple more often (61%) did I join games as team 2 on map/settings chosen by high ranked opponents, than how much did I invite high ranked opponents to my hive games (20).

You invited to more than 20 games, you said it yourself, you invited top 100 players, just only 20 accepted.
But, I agree with you, a fair share of your games aren't on hive against invited players.

hive games that I created are only 20% of games that I played in the last two months. the other 80% of games I joined games on maps and settings that someone else created and I challenged him/her or his/her team on their chosen map/settings.
This is not even close to REAL abusers (PaulatPeace etc) who created 100% of their games as team 1 on very special map/settings and massively invited players on 5 games at once (in my case 1 game at once). Furthermore, PaulatPeace did not invited everyone from top 100, he only invited the ones that he knew have no experience on antarctica. Contrary to him, I invited everyone one by one. Furthermore, I did not invite 100 players at once but about 20 games were opened in the beginning and I went down the scoreboard inviting everyone without exception. My created games have eventually all got filled until I reached somewhere around 100th ranked player. You may also put my playing of 80% games as team 2 into context and comparison with what narutoserigala is doing, I dont thing he even remembers when did he last time join any game as team 2, where map and settings were chosen by opponents. So similarly like PaulatPeace, around100% of his games are on specialists map/settings which he creates. How these practice can even be compared to me who played about 80% of my games in the last two months on map/settings chosen by my opponents? This comparison is insulting a common sense.

Therefore, when i invest so much time in planning and in actually playing, then i desire that my time is spent in efficient way versus opponents who are skilled,

If that was your purpose, I think you failed, since lot of the people you invited don't have any skills at playing the hive map unlimited, that's the main thing I'm saying in the first post.
I'm pretty sure there are several majors that would give you a much harder time at hive unlimited that the players you actually faced here.

Look for example at _untouchable, he only 4 times played hive unlimited quads or poly-4, every time versus me, first time quads - he lost, second time poly-4 - he won, third time quads - he lost, fourth time poly-4 - he won. Total score 2-2. His two losses in quads may partially be attributed to the fact that his 3 teammates werent that good at the map as my 3 teammates who play it regularly, but his two wins in poly-4 (one of them achieved with second start) are definitely deserved by his excellent strategizing. Why should not be more players like _Untouchable among brigadiers or generals, who can quickly adjust their strategy to new map/settings? Furthermore, if these players are also clanless, then bingo!, I have potential new recruit to my clan. If I am forbidden to invite them to my games, how could i ever know that they are talented and versatile strategists? If I did not send that Hive unlimited quads in our clan wars which _Untouchable joined for the first time, maybe we would never know that he is such talented for playing hive with unlimited forts. My point is, you cannot know how much is someone experienced or inexperienced if you dont try to play versus him, as _Untouchable already scored two wins out of four games on hive unlimited in his lifetime (excluding trench).

Why should I make public games and wait for anyone who wish to join?

Make private games and share the password among the 3k + player, I don't care. Organize a tournament with a points limit, I also won't care.
But massively inviting players, I think it's abusing the invite system. Especially if you end up playing a majority of players that have no clue what they're doing.
But, this is just my personal opinion.
Do things how you see fit of course.
Though if you keep going through the invite methods, I'll probably be gathering the games and make a more clear cut case than this one.

LOL, this suggestion make me laugh.
How is it essentially different if I make public game and share pw among 3k+ players, or directly invite them?
Case 1) 3k+ player receives game invite from me, think about map settings and decide to join or not to join.
Case 2) 3k+ player receives private message from me with password to join my game, think about map settings and decide to join or not to join.
How are cases (1) and (2) essentially any different, except that communication is through private messages rather than through direct invitation? Also, sending private messages require additional amount of job from me to spend than just clicking a single invite button so I prefer convenience.

Anyway, too much nonsenses from you and beating the dead horse just to spoil me, when I did nothing wrong.
Everyone from top 100 players were invited, not selectively, and everyone had democratic chance to decide whether to accept or decline my invite.
Players who are such high ranked are not stupid to not be able to make their own judgement whether they feel confident to play my game or not.

[Donelladan]

How these practice can even be compared to me who played about 80% of my games in the last two months on map/settings chosen by my opponents? This comparison is insulting a common sense.

I said, in my first post, that this was not the same as PaulatPeace. I didn't see anyone else mentioning PaulatPeace. You may have misunderstood some of my posts.

If I am forbidden to invite them to my games, how could i ever know that they are talented and versatile strategists?

I don't know why you want to continue on this line of thought. You didn't invite the top 100 players to find clan recruit. Otherwise you would have been skipping people already in clans.
Also there are tons of way to find clan player. Best way is imho to play with them on the same team. Much better to find a good clanmate than playing him. I've met really good polymorphic player that suck at being teammate because they don't care about communication. But anyway. I think it's so irrelevant to the case.
I never said you were forbidden to invite them to a game.
I said that I think massively inviting people on very special map/settings is imo abusing the invite system.

How is it essentially different if I make public game and share pw among 3k+ players, or directly invite them?
Case 1) 3k+ player receives game invite from me, think about map settings and decide to join or not to join.
Case 2) 3k+ player receives private message from me with password to join my game, think about map settings and decide to join or not to join.
How are cases (1) and (2) essentially any different, except that communication is through private messages rather than through direct invitation? Also, sending private messages require additional amount of job from me to spend than just clicking a single invite button so I prefer convenience.

I wasn't suggesting that you'd personally pm each 3k+ player. That would be indeed the same than inviting them.
Was more thinking of the callout forum or a mass pm to the entire 3k+ player, saying those are open to anyone willing to join with a 3+k rank and the pm.
Some other players are doing so and have a list of people that wish to be pm'd, and you can ask to be remove from the pm list. And regularly they open new private high ranked game.
Anyway, just saying there is other methods to play private game.

Players who are such high ranked are not stupid to not be able to make their own judgement whether they feel confident to play my game or not.

Yes they're stupid enough to not be able to make their own judgement whether they feel confident, see their chat.
Also imho it's insulting to low ranked, do you believe low ranked are utterly stupid and can't make a decision ? It's the same issue if you're playing a one strip, lieutenant, captain, major, colonel or brigadier. If your opponent was invited to a game that he's never playerd before, and that require specific knowledge - then yeah you're ranching. ( if it's a lot of games, quantity matter).

[josko.ri]

Previously when the site was more active, there were forum groups consisting of 3000+ players or 3500+ players, and anyone in these score range could join, post their PRIVATE games and password, and anyone who is interested to play these games could join. I am not sure if these groups still exist.

What I did is fundamentally the same as above mentioned, the only minor difference is in technicality, whether my private games are posted in the group forum with password, or the game invite is sent directly. In both cases (Invitation or game with password), potential opponents have exactly equal ground and contributing factors to decide whether they are willing to join my games or not. Essentially, there is no difference between the two above mentioned ways of filling my games.

Anyway, just saying there is other methods to play private game.

As said above, my method and method that you suggested have no essential difference. Why is then in your eyes the method that you suggested legal but my method abuse? Which is that fundamental difference between two methods?

And dont play about my words about stupidity and put them out of context with totally different meaning. If i say "Donelladan is not stupid" does it mean that rest of CC players are stupid? According to your logic indicated in previous post, it would mean so.

[Major Lee Fkd]

for the sake of argument lets say that the moderators decide that there is nothing wrong with with this practice.In that case EVERYONE would have the same option to do it.so NOBODY would have an unfair advantage.So it still comes down to who is better.Better at playing the game.Better at selecting the game that they have the best chance of winning.Better at selecting ones opponent that they have the best chance to beat.A reverse argument would be that you Must accept all invitations.Absurd right? but in a way its the same thing.We select our opponents.We're all selecting our opponents in one way or another.Still comes down to who is better if everyone has the same chance.Remember the first and most important law of war. "“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”



" The Art of War. Sun-Tzu.

[king achilles]

If this is strictly about someone sending massive invites to his games then I don't see anything wrong with him making use of the site's facilities. Unless, of course, if you are already spamming someone who has constantly rejected your invites then that would be different. I would assume that if Josko has been contacted by the person to stop sending him any more invites, he would comply.

[Shannon Apple]

I don't understand this report, to be fair.

I know where Josko got the idea to start inviting the scoreboard from the top down. Now, I told Dukasaur what I thought of that, and that I would not be accepting any invite to a game on his map that I never played before. End of story. Didn't think he was breaking the rules there, just thought it was a little unethical, if you like, as players were kinda been called out for not accepting. It's not something I plan on doing because I feel that it's kinda poor sportsmanship. The same goes for Josko, or anyone else who wants to try that. Not interested. If I want to lose some points, I'll join a tournament or something where there's at least some fun in it. lol.

If he's inviting players at the top of the scoreboard like Duk has done, then they should be wise enough to say "thanks but no thanks." These are not noobs.

Say what you want about Naruto, at least all his games are public and takes all comers.

Also... please don't make me laugh. I get it he's your friend and all but who are you trying to kid here? He DOES NOT accept all comers. He foes anyone that is capable of beating him on his favourite maps, so only people who are totally green will join. That's why he's so controversial.

Josko, those threads you mentioned are still here:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=122321
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36429
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=62216

[josko.ri]

Better at selecting ones opponent that they have the best chance to beat.

PaulatPeace did this. I did not. i invited everyone from top down, without selection who is good or who is bad at hive map.

[TeeGee]

I have removed some of the posts in here that are NOT evidence or defense and may start issuing some forum bans

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[king achilles]

Moving this to Closed now.