Closed rldjr [ka]

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Accused: rldjr

The accused are suspected of: Abusing game system

Game number(s):

Game 22036086

Comments: 10 players game, Escalating Freestyle. The accused (Yellow) decided to eliminate green in Round 6, which granted him 9 spoils, he would normally be forced to cash at least two sets (in this case 6 and 8 ), but then he decided to run out of time with 9 spoils. The rest of the players played their turn to end the round and he started turn with 9 spoils, allowing him not only the posibility to get bigger cashes (He didnt cause he is very bad at freestyle escalating) plus his normal deployment.

I asked if he did it on purpose or not as he has run out of time in other games and he answered:

2022-10-26 10:48:30 - rldjr: yes...on purpose! Nothing shady about not ending MY turn. I will use MY turn as I wish.
2022-10-26 10:49:18 - rldjr: most likely to attack u with three sets.

I have brought the situation to IcePack. As I said to him starting turn with more than 5 spoils shouldn't be allowed under any circumstance. Not only in this game or when cashes are not big enough to not become a target with 9 spoils, but in all cases.
Actually in the instruction page it states:

You cannot accumulate more than 5 spoils, therefore there may be a mid-turn opportunity to play sets of spoils after eliminating an opponent.

If this is allowed to happen people will start running out of time with more than 5 sspoils as long as their are big enough to not be a target. As I said It can also happen in Sequential games and could be even worse.

I had suggested 2 possibilities (other ones can be better tho)
If running out of time with more than 5 spoils
A) Automatic cash at the end of the turn deploying in tert on alphabetical order
B) eliminating spoils until it is only 5, so the player can still cash when the next turn begins.

rldjr nor only did it on purpose, therefore abusing the system. But also opened a possibility that should not be allowed to happen as starting with more than 5 spoils is agaisnt the very spirit of the game.

[DBandit70]

honestly its just a good strategy in a broken system, I've always wondered if it would work to hold more than 5 cards. good to know

[Donelladan]

If it's ok to miss your turn to get first turn in a freestyle game, I think it's also ok to run out out fime during your turn. Seems a similar "abuse" to me.
Also, it is allowed to run out of time to not get a card ( fixed for nuc and zombie, but still the case for escalating and I think flat rate).
So if it's ok to run out of time in escalating game, that's exactly what we're talking about here.

[Huyuk]

I think it's an abuse. The strategies have to be on the board. Outside de board IS an infraction. Miss the turn on purpose, ran out of time on purpose. I think you have to be more severe with this. Now how to differentiate if it is on purpose or not. It has to be cut where the thread is thinnest. Ran out of time in zombies or nuclear. Kick the player. Missed the turn in freestyle kicked the player. So simply. Ran out of the time quite more five spoils in flat or escalating kick the player. All those forms of tactics are dirty and the game was not designed for that (if you play with friends at risk in a house would you do that?) and they drive away players It's my humble opinion

[iAmCaffeine]

Ran out of time in zombies or nuclear. Kick the player.

they get a spoil even if they run out of time though

Missed the turn in freestyle kicked the player.

life happens

Ran out of the time quite more five spoils in flat or escalating kick the player.

happens so infrequently

if you play with friends at risk in a house would you do that?

we're playing online

[Ark_Angel_NZ]

Ran out of the time quite more five spoils in flat or escalating kick the player.

Seems a little excessive to kick the player, some people do have genuine reasons for running out of time.

The main issue is 'gaining an unfair advantage' by performing the actions outlined in the original post.
A fair and reasonable way of dealing with the issue is removing excess cards so that the player cannot start the following turn with more than 5 cards, as is the case regularly.

Whilst it is certainly not fair play, I don't think it crosses the line into cheating, it is just a loophole that should be closed off from being exploited.

[king achilles]

Ending with a lot of spoils (>4, let alone 9) almost guarantees you will be attacked, and is almost never a good idea. as with everything, there might be some exception to this, but it's going to be very rare. It's not like when you see someone who has 5 spoils he will be 'available' to be eliminated. This involves a lot of luck and not something that you can plan on happening. Even on this example, it didn't work out for the player afterward. If it's a team game everything still depends on how the game has developed and I think it's legit if it's an attempt to win the game and not to purposely kill your team.
As for running out of time deliberately as a strategy, as I said, you'll need a lot of luck to have this work for you. More often, it won't. If you are able to consistently eliminate players who has a lot of spoils, good for you. Mixing this with intentionally running out of time, it is yet something to be seen as being a good strategy or advantageous. You are more likely to be seen as annoying than abusing the system.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ending with a lot of spoils (>4, let alone 9) almost guarantees you will be attacked

Most cases yes. But the set were small so was impossible for anyone to take him out.
Also he loses not cause it's not"good strategy" even if u cant pull it quite often, but because he is a bad player. but if good players would start to use it, this is certainly an Issue.
I agree with Ark_Angel is a loophole that should be closed before it's exploited.

[Major Lee Fkd]

Wether or not its good strategy shouldn't even be a consideration in this discussion.The only question is wether or not it's legal.The moderators know about the possibility of accumulating over 5 spoils by timing out the turn.The issue could be easily changed with a code upgrade and they have decided not to do that.That tells me that it is not illegal.

[TeeGee]

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