Noted Lancelot du Lac [tg]

[iAmCaffeine]

Accused:
Lancelot du Lac

The accused are suspected of:
Farming

Game number(s):
Game 21969082
Game 21935655
Game 21935654
Game 21935653
Game 21935651
Game 21807365
Game 21807364
Game 21807363
Game 21773677
Game 21746479
Game 21719317
Game 21712268
Game 21702923
Game 21699728
Game 21697515
Game 21677801
Game 21657968
Game 21673549
Game 21625823
Game 21625820
Game 21596467
Game 21556949
Game 21527216
Game 21509540
Game 21508066
Game 21456300
Game 21442906
Game 21344835
Game 21344785
Game 21313898
and the list goes on..

Comments: people do like climbing the scoreboard tho. inviting low ranked players to join his das schloss assassin games on obscure settings. manual, freestyle. sometimes assassin.



Also worth noting this isnt his first rodeo when it comes to gaining points by any means necessary:
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=233463&hilit=lancelot
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=236275&hilit=lancelot

[Lancelot du Lac]

Hi,
Use only the rematch button.
You can join all my games if you want.

[Chewie1]

What no long lengthy break down of statistics to support your theory.

Or is that just kept back for special games you play in Caffiene?

[king achilles]

Some of these games presented are a few months old already. It's like picking certain games to present a case. Upon checking his games, I can also see a mix of ranks. This is a bit of a stretch. I can only note this report for future reference.

[iAmCaffeine]

didnt even check dates. good enough for me.

[Donelladan]

Got a question since your ruling doesn't mention it.
Lancelot said he is using the rematch button only. Therefore he is not inviting noobs on purpose to join his complex games.
But rather he is re-inviting people that already played against him on a previous match, thus they aren't inexperienced anymore and if they join they do know what they

Can using the rematch button be considered farming ?

[iAmCaffeine]

he doesnt setup rematches for when he loses to trafalgarlaw01 though, how odd!

[Donelladan]

he doesnt setup rematches for when he loses to trafalgarlaw01 though, how odd!

1) How would you know ? Maybe Trafalgar refused the invite of the rematch.
2) Even if what you said is true, everything I said in my message is still valid.

I don't think inviting people through rematch and inviting noobs to a game is the same thing.

I think if you're playing against a cook, and keep playing against him for several games, it's not farming.
The cook should know the map after a few games, and if he keeps joining & losing, then it is his own fault. It's not like he is unaware after a couple of games that he is going to lose. Or he believes he can improve and want to keep playing until he has beaten the high ranked player. Totally legit.

On the other hand, if you play a different cook every game, then that is farming.


Sure you can argue Lancelot is pressing the rematch button because he noticed his opponents were unskilled and he thinks he is going to gain easy points. But if the same people join the same game again, they must have learned smthg from their defeat, therefore it's not like farming noobs anymore, imho.

[iAmCaffeine]

trafalgar actually went looking for more of the same kind of game but they were all filled up with invites to low ranked players. whether that's 100% by rematch or not remains to be seen. i'm sure they don't all accept the rematch, so i wonder who gets invited in place of those who decline?

also, if someone is stuck at a low rank after thousands of games, clearly they do not learn when they lose. even after repeatedly doing so. some people are just bad. some don't care. whatever the reason, doesn't really matter. but these players more likely than not don't even learn the more basics maps and settings. never mind manual freestyle assassin and/or doubles on das schloss, one of the most complicated maps on the site.

there maybe cases of some players thinking they'll eventually get their break, yes. but i doubt that is the case for all of them.

this is noted, that's fine. if lancelot runs more of these games i'll make another report. he has a history of point manipulation and farming. nobody is surprised to see his name here.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

he doesnt setup rematches for when he loses to trafalgarlaw01 though, how odd!

1) How would you know ? Maybe Trafalgar refused the invite of the rematch.

Why would I not take an invite in a setting/map I am highly successful even with good players on the map.

Speaking of the case. What you said may also not be true. I have known people that play a map multiple times and still play it bad.
Take for instance
Game 21935654 where according to the chat, green left a lot troops in Access Point, we know what happens if u do that. Still he had played the map and settings many times previously.

So even if its just the rematch and only few games a time. I think its valid to be suspicious.

[Donelladan]

trafalgar actually went looking for more of the same kind of game but they were all filled up with invites to low ranked players. whether that's 100% by rematch or not remains to be seen. i'm sure they don't all accept the rematch, so i wonder who gets invited in place of those who decline?

In the screenshot you posted there is one empty slot.

Why would I not take an invite in a setting/map I am highly successful even with good players on the map.

Thousands of reason, but I'm not saying you did, I was simply saying Caff couldn't know whether you had been invited to a rematch or not, unless you told him ofc, but that wasn't clear from his post that you did. Anyway, that's really not my point.

My point was - simply - that inviting people through the rematch button, and inviting noob on a given map isn't the same.
I consider that farming is inviting people that don't know how to play a map, and also that are unaware that the map they've been invited to has trick and that they're going to lose.

People invited through the rematch functionality do not match that description I believe.

Also, so far, no one has been found guilty of farming when using the rematch button. So if it's a valid farming case, it's kinda a new thing.

And in all farming case I've seen so far, the accused was farming different people.
I've never seen a farming case in which the accused was farming the same people over and over again. ( maybe I missed it ofc. feel free to share examples).
And I think it's because theoretically you can't farm the same people over and over again. Since after the first they're not unaware anymore that it's a map/settings with tricks, and/or they've learned the map.

[IcePack]

Got a question…Can using the rematch button be considered farming ? he is re-inviting people that already played against him on a previous match, thus they aren't inexperienced anymore and if they join they do know what they

I don't think inviting people through rematch and inviting noobs to a game is the same thing.

I think if you're playing against a cook, and keep playing against him for several games, it's not farming.

The cook should know the map after a few games, and if he keeps joining & losing, then it is his own fault. It's not like he is unaware after a couple of games that he is going to lose. Or he believes he can improve and want to keep playing until he has beaten the high ranked player. Totally legit.

On the other hand, if you play a different cook every game, then that is farming.

Sure you can argue Lancelot is pressing the rematch button because he noticed his opponents were unskilled and he thinks he is going to gain easy points. But if the same people join the same game again, they must have learned smthg from their defeat, therefore it's not like farming noobs anymore, imho.

An invite is an invite regardless of the process you use to invite people (direct invite vs rematch)

You kinda answer your own question - if there’s a tricky map or setting and the player is inexperienced, it takes several games for them to pick up on it or learn whatever it is. For at least a few games, they’re still pretty inexperienced / noobs.

Eventually yes they should learn their mistake and decline the invite.

However if you’re a player inviting players (regardless of method) repeatedly to games that are difficult and targeting (through rematch or invite direct) inexperienced players, this falls in line with ranching (not farming).

Making significant amounts or using (abusing) rematch to say “you’re not inviting” won’t make the argument successful as the invites result in the same activity.

This case was noted, not cleared for a reason.

Make sure not to fall into a pattern or utilize targeting lower ranks and inexperienced players on a regular basis, or you’ll likely get reviewed for ranching. If you’re inviting everyone (experienced and otherwise) it’s much stronger case for you rematching to simplify things for yourself. If you’re rematching only weaker and inexperienced / noobs, you should know better.