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Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:39 am

In this 2005 interview, Tom Cruise says anti-depressants -- which seek to treat an alleged chemical imbalance in the brain -- are pseudoscience and do nothing to treat depression; that the drugs merely dull people's senses so they exist in a sort-of zombielike stupor, thereby masking the problem they're claiming to correct.

@1:42: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHEMICAL IMBALANCE."



Three days ago a new study came out from UCL ...

Scientists have called into question the widespread use of antidepressants after a major review found “no clear evidence” that low serotonin levels are responsible for depression.

“Many people take antidepressants because they have been led to believe their depression has a biochemical cause, but this new research suggests this belief is not grounded in evidence,” said the study’s lead author, Joanna Moncrieff, a professor of psychiatry at University College London and consultant psychiatrist at North East London NHS foundation trust.

“It is always difficult to prove a negative, but I think we can safely say that after a vast amount of research conducted over several decades, there is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin.

“Thousands of people suffer from side-effects of antidepressants, including the severe withdrawal effects that can occur when people try to stop them, yet prescription rates continue to rise. We believe this situation has been driven partly by the false belief that depression is due to a chemical imbalance. It is high time to inform the public that this belief is not grounded in science.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... -serotonin
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:47 am

Dr. Ted Kaczynski, one of the greatest mathematical minds of the 20th century and the so-called "unabomber," also said the public was being scammed by pseudoscientific psychiatry.

Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual’s internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable. Drugs that affect the mind are only one example of the new methods of controlling human behavior that modern society is developing.

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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:18 am

Point of fact: pilling people up to the eyeballs is not 'western', it's very specifically 'American'

That's why American presidents are all demented skin bags by the age of 60 whereas the queen is still lucid, intelligent and admirable even at the age of almost 100
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:29 am

Oh, here we go. Couch jumping Tom Cruse. About to be King Charles. Saxi's maths guy Ted. Admirable?
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Postby HitRed on Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:35 am

Lack of potassium

Low potassium levels have been associated with greater risk for mood disturbances and depression. A 2008 study published in the “British Journal of Nutrition” examined the relationship between potassium and mood, and found that a high-potassium diet helped to relieve symptoms of depression and tension among study subjects.
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Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:19 am

UK wrote:The totals for each medicine were: antidepressants 7.3 million people (17% of the adult population).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ew-summary


USA wrote:During 2015–2018, 13.2% of adults aged 18 and over used antidepressant medications in the past 30 days. Use was higher among women (17.7%) than men (8.4%).

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/datab ... and%20over.
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Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:42 pm

The UK has much more effective record-keeping than the US so I'm not surprised the US has lower official totals.
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:22 pm

of COURSE:

ralph offers NO evidence on his own and criticizes the data that is presented; NOTHING New; typical ralph.
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby jimboston on Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:42 am

bigtoughralf wrote:Point of fact: pilling people up to the eyeballs is not 'western', it's very specifically 'American'

That's why American presidents are all demented skin bags by the age of 60 whereas the queen is still lucid, intelligent and admirable even at the age of almost 100


Right… it got nothing to do with the fact that Presidents are more comparable to Prime Ministers…. and as such they have a lifetime of high stress political situations, elections, etc.

Whereas the Queen was born a Princess and never had a serious worry in her entire life. She received the best medical care, food, education, etc. She never worried about working, or where her food would come from, or if she would get elected. Ashe knew from her teenage years she was destined to be Queen. Oh, and as Queen she can fret all she wants but in reality she has no real decision making authority. The lives of the people don;t rest squarely on her shoulders.

f*ck the Monarchy. f*ck any Monarchy.
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby jimboston on Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:51 am

Re: Tom Cruise. being “Right” about Anti-Depressants

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

I think he’s right that many of these drugs are over prescribed and abused.

I think he’s right that with Therapy and better physical health you can address the real underlying issues in the vast majority of cases.

That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.
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Postby HitRed on Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:31 pm

I’m reading Say Yes to a New Normal - A Six Session Journey from Grief. Seems America is lumping in grief from a loss of a loved one with depression. The goal is to avoid the medication approach so often used with depression.
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:45 pm

If Tom Cruise was right, does that mean everything Elron taught us was also correct?

I think David Miscavige is Saxi's spirit animal.
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Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:08 pm

jimboston wrote:Re: Tom Cruise. being “Right” about Anti-Depressants

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

I think he’s right that many of these drugs are over prescribed and abused.

I think he’s right that with Therapy and better physical health you can address the real underlying issues in the vast majority of cases.

That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.

Pretty much.

One can be right about some things and wrong about others. That's true of pretty much everything.

jimboston wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Point of fact: pilling people up to the eyeballs is not 'western', it's very specifically 'American'

That's why American presidents are all demented skin bags by the age of 60 whereas the queen is still lucid, intelligent and admirable even at the age of almost 100


Right… it got nothing to do with the fact that Presidents are more comparable to Prime Ministers…. and as such they have a lifetime of high stress political situations, elections, etc.

Whereas the Queen was born a Princess and never had a serious worry in her entire life. She received the best medical care, food, education, etc. She never worried about working, or where her food would come from, or if she would get elected. Ashe knew from her teenage years she was destined to be Queen. Oh, and as Queen she can fret all she wants but in reality she has no real decision making authority. The lives of the people don;t rest squarely on her shoulders.

f*ck the Monarchy. f*ck any Monarchy.

You're quite right that the Queen lives a very pampered life. You're quite wrong that she has no responsibility and you're totally wrong in disrespecting monarchy.

Looking around the world, the constitutional monarchies tend to produce very long periods of stability and good government, whereas the republics tend to produce rapid declines into despotism, punctuated by upheavals and revolutions.

In the 2100 years since the Roman Republic was subverted into a dictatorship, I can't think of a single example of a republic which did not eventually spiral into absolute dictatorship, unless it disintegrated in a civil war first. On the opposite side of the ledger, look at the world's constitutional monarchies and you see hundreds of years of stable government with strong respect for the needs of the common man.

I believe this is no coincidence, but a fundamental cause-and-effect relationship.

Homo sapiens being a pack animal, we have an instinctive emotional attachment to the pack leader. It served us well in the time of 30-family tribes, but it has become a dangerous lever of power in the time of nation states. In republics, cynical leaders exploit this irrational instinct to gather more and more power to themselves with each passing crisis, gradually taking on a godlike persona.

In constitutional monarchies, this tendency is disabled. All the pomp and ceremony and emotional nonsense is attached to the person of the monarch, who however is largely powerless. The prime minister, in the shadow of the monarch, is seen as just an average joe doing his job, a civil servant. He's a very powerful civil servant, but a servant nonetheless. Thus no emotional baggage accrues to him. In times of crisis, he may get additional powers, but they are removed when the crisis is over. There's no mystical peg for him to hang his hat on.

My favourite illustration of this is the Quebec Conference of 1943. Roosevelt arrived with a security detail of more than 100 Marines, Secret Servicemen, and miscellaneous other agents. Churchill arrived with his usual two bodyguards.

Even then, the American president was seen as a semi-divine persona, like an Egyptian Pharoah. Being able to assassinate him would have been a huge trauma to American morale and a massive boost to the enemy. The British prime minister, on the other hand, was seen as just a mortal man. Churchill was popular, to be sure, and many would have mourned his death, but it would not have been a trauma to the nation. Anthony Eden would have taken over the job and it would have been business as usual the next day.

Do not underestimate the enormous service that the Queen gives us by siphoning away adulation that in a republic could be used to ratchet up the power of the "beloved leader". Nor, do I think, is the Queen ignorant of the importance of this role. Not every monarch is blessed with gravitas, but I think Lizzie feels the weight of this responsibility and takes it very seriously indeed.
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:15 pm

jimboston wrote:That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.


You're the first person to bring up his religion. Literally no one else was talking about it before you brought it up.
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Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:17 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
jimboston wrote:That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.


You're the first person to bring up his religion. Literally no one else was talking about it before you brought it up.



But Captain Obvious knew it had to be brought up eventually. So he did the job for us...:)
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Re: TOM CRUISE WAS RIGHT

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:18 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:If Tom Cruise was right, does that mean everything Elron taught us was also correct?

I think David Miscavige is Saxi's spirit animal.


If I were a Scientology character I would want to be Tommy Davis.
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Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:27 am

I decided when I was younger NOT to take advice from celebrities on things outside their field of entertainment. Most celebrities show that they lack real intelligence; saxi, of course, is an exception. :D
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Postby jimboston on Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:44 am

Dukasaur wrote:You're quite right that the Queen lives a very pampered life. You're quite wrong that she has no responsibility and you're totally wrong in disrespecting monarchy.

Looking around the world, the constitutional monarchies tend to produce very long periods of stability and good government, whereas the republics tend to produce rapid declines into despotism, punctuated by upheavals and revolutions.

In the 2100 years since the Roman Republic was subverted into a dictatorship, I can't think of a single example of a republic which did not eventually spiral into absolute dictatorship, unless it disintegrated in a civil war first. On the opposite side of the ledger, look at the world's constitutional monarchies and you see hundreds of years of stable government with strong respect for the needs of the common man.

I believe this is no coincidence, but a fundamental cause-and-effect relationship.

Homo sapiens being a pack animal, we have an instinctive emotional attachment to the pack leader. It served us well in the time of 30-family tribes, but it has become a dangerous lever of power in the time of nation states. In republics, cynical leaders exploit this irrational instinct to gather more and more power to themselves with each passing crisis, gradually taking on a godlike persona.

In constitutional monarchies, this tendency is disabled. All the pomp and ceremony and emotional nonsense is attached to the person of the monarch, who however is largely powerless. The prime minister, in the shadow of the monarch, is seen as just an average joe doing his job, a civil servant. He's a very powerful civil servant, but a servant nonetheless. Thus no emotional baggage accrues to him. In times of crisis, he may get additional powers, but they are removed when the crisis is over. There's no mystical peg for him to hang his hat on.

My favourite illustration of this is the Quebec Conference of 1943. Roosevelt arrived with a security detail of more than 100 Marines, Secret Servicemen, and miscellaneous other agents. Churchill arrived with his usual two bodyguards.

Even then, the American president was seen as a semi-divine persona, like an Egyptian Pharoah. Being able to assassinate him would have been a huge trauma to American morale and a massive boost to the enemy. The British prime minister, on the other hand, was seen as just a mortal man. Churchill was popular, to be sure, and many would have mourned his death, but it would not have been a trauma to the nation. Anthony Eden would have taken over the job and it would have been business as usual the next day.

Do not underestimate the enormous service that the Queen gives us by siphoning away adulation that in a republic could be used to ratchet up the power of the "beloved leader". Nor, do I think, is the Queen ignorant of the importance of this role. Not every monarch is blessed with gravitas, but I think Lizzie feels the weight of this responsibility and takes it very seriously indeed.


This is an interesting analysis. I’ll have to think on it more.

I’m not sure the sample size of “stable constitutional monarchies” is really big enough to draw a universal conclusion. Obviously there’s UK… and there are a few others in Europe… but those other countries are different in that they aren’t big player on the global stage, so the dynamics are much different. Also, UK has changed over time and “royal powers” are quite different than they were 200 years back, yet in both cases it’s called a “constitutional monarchy”.

That said… interesting points.

I still dislike the idea of a monarchy… but if it serves a valid purpose…
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Postby jimboston on Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:30 am

Dukasaur wrote:
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jimboston wrote:That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.


You're the first person to bring up his religion. Literally no one else was talking about it before you brought it up.



But Captain Obvious knew it had to be brought up eventually. So he did the job for us...:)


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So that’s how it’s gonna be Duk?

BTW… his “religion” is directly associated with his view on the subject.
The whole premise of “Going Clear” is that the mind is the root cause of many ailments, some physical and almost all mental.
Thus they think pharmaceutical ‘solutions’ are not real solutions but only mask the problem and the only way to fix the problem is to address the root cause, which are the underlying mental baggage that you carry.

His view on the is 100% Directly related to his “religious” views.

My point is that they have some decent ideas, and mental baggage can cause many problems… but that doesn’t mean they’re right about everything.
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Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:35 pm

jimboston wrote:My point is that they have some decent ideas, and mental baggage can cause many problems… but that doesn’t mean they’re right about everything.


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Postby Dukasaur on Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:45 pm

jimboston wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
jimboston wrote:That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.


You're the first person to bring up his religion. Literally no one else was talking about it before you brought it up.



But Captain Obvious knew it had to be brought up eventually. So he did the job for us...:)


:twisted:

So that’s how it’s gonna be Duk?

BTW… his “religion” is directly associated with his view on the subject.
The whole premise of “Going Clear” is that the mind is the root cause of many ailments, some physical and almost all mental.
Thus they think pharmaceutical ‘solutions’ are not real solutions but only mask the problem and the only way to fix the problem is to address the root cause, which are the underlying mental baggage that you carry.

His view on the is 100% Directly related to his “religious” views.

My point is that they have some decent ideas, and mental baggage can cause many problems… but that doesn’t mean they’re right about everything.

Don't forget I was a Scientologist for almost a year-and-a-half. I'm well aware of what they're saying. However, it isn't necessary.

The completely secular and non-mystical Humanist Institute used to treat depression with heavy aerobic exercise, three times a day, and claimed a success rate higher than mainstream psychiatry. The Humanist Institute taught that depression is a just a natural semi-hibernatory state which in nature would allow us to lay in a cave and wait out whatever crisis we were hiding from, but like most of our natural instincts it has become maladaptory in our modern pampered society. We need to kick-start our bodies in order to cue the brain into realizing that it's time to get out of the cave and get back on the hunting trail.

The gestalt and ACT people say much the same thing, but for completely different reasons.

My Grade 10 World Religions teacher, who was Zen, used to say similar things, for Buddhist reasons.

I don't endorse the Humanist Institute any more than I endorse Scientology, nor do I endorse ACT or Zen. My point is that these conclusions can be arrived at through many different schools of thought. Just as your first response to burning yourself should not be to slather your skin with Flamazene but rather to get away from the fire, your first response to being depressed should not be to pump your body with Celexa but rather to fix what's dragging you down.

... mind you, the year that I was on Celexa was great!!! :D :D :D
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Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:58 pm

So, let me get this right:

saxi thinks we should follow the psychiatric and psychological advice from the Unabomber (and mathematician) as well as an actor (the OTHER guy), neither of whom have any credentials in these areas. Did I MISS something? or is saxi THAT Crazy?

This Guy, the Unabomber, who is convicted of killing 3 people? The SAME Theodore John Kaczynski?
Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski killed three people and injured 23 others in a nationwide bombing campaign against people he believed to be advancing modern technology and the destruction of the environment.


Really? or is saxi THAT Crazy?

Or that seeking help from Family and Friends are worthless? How did Human survive BEFORE Tom and Ted?? IMPOSSIBLE..!!! :D :lol: :o

Tom Cruise is a very good actor. BUT.......
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Postby mookiemcgee on Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:56 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
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jimboston wrote:That doesn’t mean his “Religion” is right… cause they have a better take on this subject doesn’t make them right on every subject.


You're the first person to bring up his religion. Literally no one else was talking about it before you brought it up.



But Captain Obvious knew it had to be brought up eventually. So he did the job for us...:)


:twisted:

So that’s how it’s gonna be Duk?

BTW… his “religion” is directly associated with his view on the subject.
The whole premise of “Going Clear” is that the mind is the root cause of many ailments, some physical and almost all mental.
Thus they think pharmaceutical ‘solutions’ are not real solutions but only mask the problem and the only way to fix the problem is to address the root cause, which are the underlying mental baggage that you carry.

His view on the is 100% Directly related to his “religious” views.

My point is that they have some decent ideas, and mental baggage can cause many problems… but that doesn’t mean they’re right about everything.

Don't forget I was a Scientologist for almost a year-and-a-half. I'm well aware of what they're saying. However, it isn't necessary.

The completely secular and non-mystical Humanist Institute used to treat depression with heavy aerobic exercise, three times a day, and claimed a success rate higher than mainstream psychiatry. The Humanist Institute taught that depression is a just a natural semi-hibernatory state which in nature would allow us to lay in a cave and wait out whatever crisis we were hiding from, but like most of our natural instincts it has become maladaptory in our modern pampered society. We need to kick-start our bodies in order to cue the brain into realizing that it's time to get out of the cave and get back on the hunting trail.

The gestalt and ACT people say much the same thing, but for completely different reasons.

My Grade 10 World Religions teacher, who was Zen, used to say similar things, for Buddhist reasons.

I don't endorse the Humanist Institute any more than I endorse Scientology, nor do I endorse ACT or Zen. My point is that these conclusions can be arrived at through many different schools of thought. Just as your first response to burning yourself should not be to slather your skin with Flamazene but rather to get away from the fire, your first response to being depressed should not be to pump your body with Celexa but rather to fix what's dragging you down.

... mind you, the year that I was on Celexa was great!!! :D :D :D


Very well written...
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Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:55 am

jusplay4fun wrote:So, let me get this right:

saxi thinks we should follow the psychiatric and psychological advice from the Unabomber (and mathematician)


Have you read Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future? It's probably the most lucid, cogent, prophetic piece of writing I've ever read. And Kacyznski was not just a guy who knew math. Many of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century who met him said he was the most brilliant person they'd ever met and could have won the Nobel Prize if he hadn't switched careers to serial bomber.

Most people didn't bother reading it because the lying media rolled out all their tricks to delegitimize it:
    - Refer to an essay as a "manifesto" (this is the "government" vs. "regime" parlor trick)
    - Refer to anything longer than five pages as "rambling"
    - Exaggerate copyediting issues (the WaPo said it was "riddled with spelling and grammar errors" ... in fact, there were 10 --- and Kaczynski wrote the entire thing in ink pen on yellow legal pads with no editor and no spellcheck, which the WaPo didn't mention)

The result:

    The Kaczynski manifesto, a rambling diatribe riddled with spelling and grammar errors ...
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Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:09 am

In section 213, Dr. Kaczynski correctly predicts the American Left will go from opposing Big Tech (which they were doing in the '90s when he wrote) to becoming one of its most slavish cheerleaders (as today).

Because of their need for rebellion and for membership in a movement, leftists or persons of similar psychological type often are attracted to a rebellious or activist movement whose goals and membership are not initially leftist. The resulting influx of leftish types can easily turn a non-leftist movement into a leftist one, so that leftist goals replace or distort the original goals of the movement.

To avoid this, a movement that exalts nature and opposes technology must take a resolutely anti-leftist stance and must avoid all collaboration with leftists. Leftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology. Leftism is collectivist; it seeks to bind together the entire world (both nature and the human race) into a unified whole. But this implies management of nature and of human life by organized society, and it requires advanced technology. You can’t have a united world without rapid long-distance transportation and communication, you can’t make all people love one another without sophisticated psychological techniques, you can’t have a “planned society” without the necessary technological base. Above all, leftism is driven by the need for power, and the leftist seeks power on a collective basis, through identification with a mass movement or an organization. Leftism is unlikely ever to give up technology, because technology is too valuable a source of collective power.

The anarchist too seeks power, but he seeks it on an individual or small-group basis; he wants individuals and small groups to be able to control the circumstances of their own lives. He opposes technology because it makes small groups dependent on large organizations.

Some leftists may seem to oppose technology, but they will oppose it only so long as they are outsiders and the technological system is controlled by non-leftists. If leftism ever becomes dominant in society, so that the technological system becomes a tool in the hands of leftists, they will enthusiastically use it and promote its growth. In doing this they will be repeating a pattern that leftism has shown again and again in the past.


The entire book is page after page of prophecy that has come true.
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