Closed Donelladan, Unai [IP]

[fusibaseball]

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[Donelladan]

Very good analysis at the beginning, then it become paronoid non-sense at the end. Too bad.

Let me explain ( and to you fusi for the 2nd time) what happened there.

So the claim from fusi, is that Unai and I are sharing information.

Now I have 4 cards, worth 20 troops, and I can decide to take 4 regions to kill GeneralBax and get 2 cards, which doesn't offer me a new set.
Or I could decide to kill swimmer by taking simply 2 regions, and get 5 cards and a recash directly. ( with that recash I could then go for Bax and get a new recash !!! )
What kind of dumbass would go for the kill of GeneralBax first instead of the swimer kill ?
Thing is, Unai was not and is not sharing information with me, therefore I did NOT know where the last region from swimmer was, which is why I decided to go for the certain kill and took out GeneralBax.

He scouts around a bit to feel out the board (likely just a ploy anyways to make it appear he doesn't already know where Swimmer is, but let's not bother with that)

As the log cleary show, I deployed 0 troops on PAR-K, therefore taking extra region while I knew there was swimmer with 5 troops, 2 region away from me would be such a stupid thing to do if I knew swimmer was there.
I had 11 troops if I recall correctly on PAR K, 11 vs 2 vs 3 isn't a certain kill at all, while would I bother taking a single first if I knew I could get swimmer ? Again, non-sense.

He decides to hold in assaults to see what else may come along rather than ending; bit strange but let's also just assume good intentions and not fixate on that.

You're the only freestyle player on earth that can find THIS strange.
I started my turn when there was around 40 minutes on the clock with the full intention of waiting till the end and be there beginning of next turn.
I know there are several player that are easy kill, swimmer with 5 cards and 1 regions, but other players with 5 cards and 2 regions, from who I can see one region.
Waiting patiently and be ready to steal a kill is a common and basic strategy in escalating freestyle game. And you are fully aware of that so I have no idea why you find it weird that I wait.
In the earlier battle of actium game, Swimmerdude did exactly the same, started his turn and waiting for around 40 minutes before finishing it without doing anything, hoping someone would try smthg, screw up and offer him a kill.

It takes Don a full 12 seconds from 16:11:46 -> 16:11:58 to make the very interesting decision to barge directly through his clanmate's defensive 2, through fog, to make a beeline straight for the highest priority target on the board after sitting on his thumbs in assaults phase for 10 minutes.

As I clearly explained before, I did NOT know where was the last swimmer region. If I knew that, I would have played very differently. You've got to be kidding me if you can seriously claim I knew where was last swimmer region at the beginning of my turn.
What happened is that I was watching, as it was my intention, and waiting for other player to play.
When Unai started his turn, I watched, and just like you were able to see the 5 from Swimmer go to a 3, I was able to see that Unai's region was down to a 2, therefore I knew Unai attacked smthg and failed.
Knowing that he rolled a 0/2, it means he didn't attack a single , therefore he was attacking smthg valuable, I therefore decide to take his 2 and was happily surprised to see swimmer region behind.

If I had wait 1 or 2 minutes before taking Unai's region, then maybe you could claim Unai failed, contacted me with the info, and I acted on it.
But obviously, in 12 sec there was not enough time for him to send me the info, me reading it, checking the map and making the attack.
I was watching his move on the game, like I would have done with any other player, and acted based on what he did, immediately.

[Extreme Ways]

I think the main reason this stands out is because Unai made a glaring error that someone of his calibre should not have made. Why not drop to kill swimmer if you're rolling it down anyway? Trying to eliminate someone on 5 cards is sound.

Don's move makes sense. Stalling the turn is very natural in case someone, say unai, kills swimmer and tries to run the board. Then you can still try to steal, if you end your turn you cannot. Don acting on the information that Unai rolled a stack down is sound too. The timing of the attack - you can make arguments in favour and against regardless of the time between the attacks.

If it were 2 minutes, it could be "Hey Don I just made a run in Rail Europe but failed, check the game". If it's 10 seconds, it could be "Hey Don, I'm about to make a run in Rail Europe". The latter is, I agree with Don, less suspicious because I wouldnt want someone stealing my sweep.

I dont believe the first one is secret diplomacy anyway, so long as the other player wouldnt mention information. Swimmer told me he had made a run in battle for actium today after he failed. I couldnt act because my position was poor, but I wouldn't say that is SD.

[fusibaseball]

Oh look, Unai has a history of this sort of thing. How surprising.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=236275

Except this time he's bending over for Don, not Lancelot.

Even better, their story keeps changing. What version are we on now guys? Last I heard, Unai completely misdeployed and meant to deploy on the correct region to kill Swimmer. That one sounds pretty thin; think harder and maybe you'll come up with something a little better.

[fusibaseball]

Edited, no formal report.

We are working it out by PM. There is a legitimate case here but I don't need publicity to nail them to the wall and make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Donelladan]

? Last I heard, Unai completely misdeployed and meant to deploy on the correct region to kill Swimmer. That one sounds pretty thin; think harder and maybe you'll come up with something a little better.

Hum, more confusion.
IF Unai wanted to HELP me, he would have deployed on the correct region to kill swimmer to trim Swimmer to a single.
Why trim swimmer to a 3 ? And why keep a 2. When Unai played, I had a 9, so I roll 9vs2vs3, and failed as you mentioned and everyone can see.
9vs1v1 would have been way easier for me.
And the story never changed, please point out where I stated anything different.

Happy that you close the report if you're also stop speaking about that in games.

[josko.ri]

I was also inthat game and I think they are clear. Don played smartly while Unai made misdeploy probably unintentionally. Unai would also had a good chance at winning himself if he had killed swimmer.

[2dimes]

Game link?

[Extreme Ways]

Game link?

Game 21421352

[2dimes]

Thank you Extreme Ways.

[fusibaseball]

There are a lot of people in my inbox this AM telling me to put this report back up. Interestingly the attention seems to be focusing on Unai for throwing rather than my original intent of nailing Don and Unai for SD. I can either drag them through the streets and let everyone throw tomatoes in their faces or let it rest and I choose the latter.

They have 22 pairs of eyes laser-focused on their every move in the BR games moving forward and, at least for now, that is sufficient for me.

[Donelladan]

There are lot of dumbs people and haters, no surprise that lot of them are mailing you to re-open.
I will not be playing differently from what I was doing before, I couldn't care less about your so called 22 pairs of laser eyes.
See you in the finals.