Cleared 11Joan11(SN)

[Craig25]

Accused: 11Joan11



The accused are suspected of:

Severe PM Abuse

Other: Specifically Racism



Game number(s):

NA (By e-mail)


Comments:

I would like to report 11Joan11 for racism. I am an adult and can trade insults with anyone, but, I draw the line at racism. IT really cannot be tolerated, especially when the culprit can be tracked. I am considering involving the police unless the most severe punishment is given to 11Joan11. It doesn't change the compaint one bit the fact I am Scottish and not Indian.

Please view my Inbox, specifically the messages of Saturday 4th July:

8.39PM
8.43PM
8.56PM
8.57PM

They contain the most derogatory racism.

I would appreciate a speedy response.

[Craig25]

Furthermore, Racism is illegal in the Netherlands so it's a solid case.
Here is the law and the highy relevent part:

https://www.government.nl/topics/discri ... rimination

The police
If you have been harassed, intimidated or worse, you can also lodge a criminal complaint with the police if an offence has been committed. That means the incident involved discrimination on the grounds of race, sex, religion, belief, sexual orientation or disability. When reporting discrimination, you may provide as much or as little personal information as you like.

The Internet discrimination hotline
If you find discriminatory statements on the internet, you can report them to the internet discrimination hotline (MiND Nederland). The internet discrimination hotline registers and processes these reports. The hotline evaluates reports of discrimination on the Dutch part of the internet. If MiND believes that a particular statement is unlawful, it issues a request for the removal of that statement. In exceptional cases it contacts the police. You can report internet discrimination by sending an email to MiND.

[riskllama]

LOL, what a surprise. maybe just try fwding the pm's in question to the applicable mods, Craig - not sure if they have the ability to just crack open a users' inbox like a proverbial clam.

[Donelladan]

You can report private message by clicking on the exclamation mark on the right corner of the message.
That is what you should do when you want to report private message rather than posting here.
Good luck with your complaint, hope he get a vacation if the content is as you describe.

[Hooch]

Yeah, totally forward the PM's to a Mod.

The Internet discrimination hotline
If you find discriminatory statements on the internet, you can report them to the internet discrimination hotline (MiND Nederland). The internet discrimination hotline registers and processes these reports. The hotline evaluates reports of discrimination on the Dutch part of the internet. If MiND believes that a particular statement is unlawful, it issues a request for the removal of that statement. In exceptional cases it contacts the police. You can report internet discrimination by sending an email to MiND.

Unless you wish to archive the PM, it will be removed from the internet, pms get removed from inboxes frequently.
Will it get removed from the internet?~Yes
Is it exceptional.~Hard to say.

Whatever the Dutch part of the internet is.

[Dukasaur]

You can report private message by clicking on the exclamation mark on the right corner of the message.
That is what you should do when you want to report private message rather than posting here.
Good luck with your complaint, hope he get a vacation if the content is as you describe.

This.

PMs are to be reported directly by pressing the report button. (Red exclamation marks.)

Mods have no power to read your PMs unless you choose to forward them. The software does keep private messages private.

The C&A forum is for reporting cheating in games. Complaints about PMs or forum posts should be reported directly.

[Craig25]

I wanted you to see it so you know what's coming. You are a racist. You deserve everything that the law deems fit.

[Craig25]

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:39 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
I should have gathered. Typical cultural problem"

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:43 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
I will return the favor you little Indian. As long as is needed. Hahahahahahahahahah"

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:56 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
Wave the fan little man"

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:57 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
Good game
Just try if you can get it out of your mouth. Good game
And in the beginning it is, good luck.
Now fan again little Indian man."

4 Instances of recorded racism. Very silly. It cannot be tolerated.

#BlackLivesMatter

[Craig25]

5, I guess stupid just can't stop being stupid.

" Sent: Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:19 am
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
Or gg. A small step and a beginning.
Now back to the fan"

Anyone aware of the kind of punishment for Racism in the Netherlands? Would this be a fine and a criminal record?

[zeus111]

perhaps this lead up to the pm messages

2020-07-04 13:35:07 - Craig25: Your Maw farts spunk Wee Man, don't reply or I will just humiliate you further.
2020-07-04 13:35:46 - Craig25: Now f*ck off like a good little boy.

i cant see this as a police incident but thats up to you .

to suggest her mom has anal sex and farts spunk i feel is as bad and most likely fueled the pm messages. not saying that makes it ok to call you an indian ect but may explain the why.. she was provoked to say the least .i see you foed her probably for the best . when ya open a can of worms by your statement above its just uncalled for on many levels then go as far to report her for racism after a statement like the one you made make sure to include all facts ill bet ya it was a direct result of the statement above .

site asks we play in a respectful manner clearly here you both did not maybe in the future refrain from the above rather disgusting coments and ill hazard a guess ya wont be getting hate mail


zeus111

[Craig25]

My comments were in response to abuse, nothing racist there.

You cannot justify racism like that with anything.

I will take the compaint directly to the Netherlands police.

[Nut Shot Scott]

lmao. time to put on the big boy pants there big shooter. ya cant take it, dont dish it. how about you include your responses to those PMs, for full disclosure? based on your in game chat, i'm guessing your replies were rather inflammatory as well. and the police? BA HAHAHAAHAHA. what a tool.

[zeus111]

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:39 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
I should have gathered. Typical cultural problem"

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:43 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
I will return the favor you little Indian. As long as is needed. Hahahahahahahahahah"

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:56 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
Wave the fan little man"

" Sent: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:57 pm
From: 11Joan11
To: Craig25
Good game
Just try if you can get it out of your mouth. Good game
And in the beginning it is, good luck.
Now fan again little Indian man."

4 Instances of recorded racism. Very silly. It cannot be tolerated.

#BlackLivesMatter

#all lives matter .....

2020-07-04 13:35:07 - Craig25: Your Maw farts spunk Wee Man, don't reply or I will just humiliate you further.
2020-07-04 13:35:46 - Craig25: Now f*ck off like a good little boy.

vs

now fan again little indian man /i will return the favor you little indian /I should have gathered. Typical cultural problem"/ Wave the fan little man"


i say your comment that sparked this is far worse and again will bet is what provoked her to the rather mild comments that may or may not be racist. its a sad day here seeing this.. police getting mentioned even is utter nonsense .

people who live in glass houses should not throw stones

as the comment can be construed as being some what racist 11joan11 should be told or warned even to keep it clean fair and respectable

craig25 brought this one on him self and also should be warned this type of remark on an all ages site is not acceptable and be advised his above statement goes way beyond friendly banter in a game .


be well all


zeus111

[Mad777]

fully agree, you kind of ignite the scenario here, looks more unfavorable for you than for him, disregarding the “he said she said” part of this C&A, the site is on the US territory so unless Netherlands wants to bring this to an international level then you won’t get anything at all, foe him (I would foe you at first glance receiving words as you wrote anyway rather than responding anything as Joan did) and don’t start insulting others if you don’t want retaliation (of any kind), my advice

[zeus111]

My comments were in response to abuse, nothing racist there.

You cannot justify racism like that with anything.

I will take the compaint directly to the Netherlands police.

0900-8844
The communications centre is sometimes called the heart of the police force. All calls to the emergency telephone number 112 and the national police number 0900-8844 come in here around the clock.

contact info for police in your area

hello police how may i help you ....some girl i told on a gaming site Your Maw farts spunk Wee Man, don't reply or I will just humiliate you further. called me an indian i want her arrested for racist slander .....hello ......hello ..... must be bad line ill call back

really dude

zeus111

[Dukasaur]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_hands

Clean hands, sometimes called the clean hands doctrine or the dirty hands doctrine,[1] is an equitable defense in which the defendant argues that the plaintiff is not entitled to obtain an equitable remedy because the plaintiff is acting unethically or has acted in bad faith with respect to the subject of the complaint—that is, with "unclean hands".[2] The defendant has the burden of proof to show the plaintiff is not acting in good faith. The doctrine is often stated as "those seeking equity must do equity" or "equity must come with clean hands". This is a matter of protocol, characterised by A. P. Herbert in Uncommon Law by his fictional Judge Mildew saying (as Herbert says, "less elegantly"), "A dirty dog will not have justice by the court".[3]

The clean hands doctrine is used in U.S. patent law to deny equitable or legal relief to a patentee that has engaged in improper conduct, such as using the patent to extend monopoly power beyond the claims of the patent.[4]

A defendant's unclean hands can also be claimed and proven by the plaintiff to claim other equitable remedies and to prevent that defendant from asserting equitable affirmative defenses. In other words, 'unclean hands' can be used offensively by the plaintiff as well as defensively by the defendant. Historically, the doctrine of unclean hands can be traced as far back as the Fourth Lateran Council.

"He who comes into equity must come with clean hands" is an equitable maxim in English law.

[riskllama]

LOL, Duk wins this thread...

[sniffie]

I think there is enough said in this thread.

I will close it for now.

Sniffie

[sniffie]

I have gone through the evidence provided.
CC takes a liberal stance to what is said in game.
Racism is not tolerated. But I don't read anything that is considered to be racial or bigoted. Therefore the accused is cleared.

My best suggestion is that both players FAMO, Foe And Move On.

Regards, Sniffie

[sniffie]

Cleared