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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:58 pm

Thanks for that info and great diagrams, Tzor. Accretion disk, now that is a term that I have not heard in some time.

TNOs...A new term for me. And yes, lots of new info on TNOs and they Kuiper Belt these past 20 years or so, but again, nearly all planets are in the same plane due to the accretion disk idea and how planets form.

Here are helpful links to learn more about TNOs an the Kuiper Belt and related matters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_disk

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/our-solar-system/57-our-solar-system/planets-and-dwarf-planets/orbits/242-why-do-all-the-planets-orbit-in-the-same-plane-intermediate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_and_evolution_of_the_Solar_System


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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:17 pm

Here's some star pictures and the other sites for when they fix the cam.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/interactive-sky-chart/
Banff Latitude: 51° 17' N Longitude: 115° 57' W

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:40 pm

Thanks for sharing, 2dimes. I guess the Ucalgary telescope situation is still not working; the rest is interesting.

I did look up at the night sky this evening but only saw the crescent moon. I may have looked too late after sunset (about one hour too late) and/or there were still too many clouds to see much else near the moon.

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2dimes wrote:Here's some star pictures and the other sites for when they fix the cam.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/interactive-sky-chart/
Banff Latitude: 51° 17' N Longitude: 115° 57' W

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:44 pm

So it is possible to see Saturn without aid, but to see the see its rings requires a telescope:

From June 2019:
It’s that magical time of year again, when our solar system’s most beautiful planet – Saturn – is well placed for viewing in our sky. Looking starlike to the eye alone, with a distinct golden color, Saturn is a lovely object even without optical aid. Binoculars will enhance its color, and a small telescope will let you see Saturn’s rings. That makes the coming month or so a great time to go to a star party, where amateur astronomers are set up to show you telescopic objects. Check the club map at NASA’s Night Sky Network to find star parties near you. Or try this list of astronomy clubs by state from the Astronomical League. Or call a local university or science museum and ask about star parties. Or maybe a neighbor, or friend, has a telescope stashed in a closet? More possibilities:

https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/viewing-saturns-rings-tips-for-beginners

jusplay4fun wrote:I think I saw Saturn this evening, but I am not sure. It was too cloudy to see the moon shortly after sunset here in VA, and so I could not use it as a reference. But I must admit I may have seen Venus instead. I did not have anything with me, only my eyes, to spot a planet. The planet (that did not twinkle) was very low in the sky this evening, shortly after sunset and I was looking southwest. Today was the last chance to see Saturn in the evening sky, until the summer; see below.




Friday, Dec. 27

• In twilight about 30 minutes after sunset, spot the thin crescent Moon low in the southwest. It's well to the lower right of Venus, as shown here. Using binoculars, look for faint Saturn disappearing toward the horizon a few degrees lower right of the Moon. This is the last we'll see of Saturn in the evening sky until next summer.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:37 am

It was almost two years ago when I complained on page one about barely seeing the rings in my baby telescope.

I actually phoned the observatory but got a computer. I left a message.

The people might be on break until the new year. It's a university, they get decent Christmas breaks in this country still, even if they are trying to make Chrstmas illegal to burn down the patriarchy.

I saw Venus for the third night on our way to pick up pizza, but it got cloudy later.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:19 am

I went back to read much of page one of this thread: GOOD Stuff.

I enjoyed the discussion of viewing planets and stars and more; THAT is the really GOOD stuff.

The debate about Galileo is fun, and I think I was bit too harsh on some points. I like to look at the BIG PICTURE, but often get muddled in the minutia when debating others. I really enjoyed seeing Tzor's spirograph animation again; THAT is GREAT and I may have to find one for amusement and FUN later....!

I also find Tzor's posted diagrams comparing the Copernican and Ptolemaic models to be EXCELLENT. Well done, Tzor. ALL that is on page 1 of this thread. Check it out if you are interested.

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2dimes wrote:It was almost two years ago when I complained on page one about barely seeing the rings in my baby telescope.

I actually phoned the observatory but got a computer. I left a message.

The people might be on break until the new year. It's a university, they get decent Christmas breaks in this country still, even if they are trying to make Chrstmas illegal to burn down the patriarchy.

I saw Venus for the third night on our way to pick up pizza, but it got cloudy later.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby tzor on Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:02 am

I think a better question is whether "Eris" is really "Mondas" the legendary home of the Cybermen (or the "tenth" planet).
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:08 pm

Cybermen? Is Duffman one of them?
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:20 pm

Eris, information from NASA:

Eris is one of the largest known dwarf planets in our solar system. It's about the same size as Pluto, but is three times farther from the Sun.

Eris first appeared to be larger than Pluto. This triggered a debate in the scientific community that led to the International Astronomical Union's decision in 2006 to clarify the definition of a planet. Pluto, Eris and other similar objects are now classified as dwarf planets.

Originally designated 2003 UB313 (and nicknamed for the television warrior Xena by its discovery team), Eris is named for the ancient Greek goddess of discord and strife. The name fits since Eris remains at the center of a scientific debate about the definition of a planet.


Discovery
Eris was discovered on Oct. 21, 2003 by M.E. Brown, C.A. Trujillo, and D. Rabinowitz at the Palomar Observatory.


Size and Distance
With a radius of about 722 miles (1,163 kilometers), Eris is about 1/5 the radius of Earth. Eris, like Pluto, is a little smaller than Earth's Moon. If the Earth were the size of a nickel, Eris would be about as big as a popcorn kernel.

From an average distance of 6,289,000,000 miles (10,125,000,000 kilometers), Eris is about 68 astronomical units away from the Sun. One astronomical unit (abbreviated as AU), is the distance from the Sun to Earth. From this distance, it takes sunlight more than nine hours to travel from the Sun to the surface of Eris.


https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/dwarf-planets/eris/in-depth/

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:09 pm

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:43 pm

Venus has looked great in the Evening sky shortly after sundown here in the Eastern USA:

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/this-weeks-sky-at-a-glance-january-10-18/

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:54 pm

Yay, they fix the sky cam. That poor little heater doesn't stand a chance this week.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/interactive-sky-chart/
Banff Latitude: 51° 17' N Longitude: 115° 57' W

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG

Should we bother to tell JP it's just a fish eye lens pointed straight up near the building with the telescope? Actually you can see the dome that contains the telescope on the left using that webcam.

I almost bought an astronomy magazine the other day.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby riskllama on Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:14 pm

2dimes wrote:It was almost two years ago when I complained on page one about barely seeing the rings in my baby telescope.

I actually phoned the observatory but got a computer. I left a message.

The people might be on break until the new year. It's a university, they get decent Christmas breaks in this country still, even if they are trying to make Chrstmas illegal to burn down the patriarchy.

I saw Venus for the third night on our way to pick up pizza, but it got cloudy later.


from Atlas???
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:27 pm

No, have not been to Atlas for quite a while. Might have been Panago, or possibly Coco Brooks.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby riskllama on Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:31 pm

2dimes wrote:No, have not been to Atlas for quite a while. Might have been Panago, or possibly Coco Brooks.


why would you order from panago when you have top tier pizza from atlas so close?
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:03 am

jonesthecurl wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:What do they call it? Suds and Sky? See stars and suds? JUS wondering....! :D

Have you been?

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jonesthecurl wrote:I just discovered that at the local brewery at my new address they have an astronomy lecture once a month.

I haven't been yet -just moved in amd there was no December session.
https://www.sudwerkbrew.com/upcoming-onsite.html


Just discovered that they also sometimes do comedy nights...


So I went to this tonight, it was really fascinating. A bunch of topics covered. Why is Betelgeuse dimming, and is it about to go supernova? Neutron stars colliding. How the proposed 40,000 low-earth orbit broadband satellites will interfere with ground-based astronomy, and more. I'll be going again.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:19 am

riskllama wrote:
2dimes wrote:No, have not been to Atlas for quite a while. Might have been Panago, or possibly Coco Brooks.


why would you order from panago when you have top tier pizza from atlas so close?

Because I'm married? I rarely get Atlas, partially because it's a bar and we can't take the offspring there.

My wife would never order pizza for pick up or delivery from anywhere as far away as Atlas. Maybe she has never tasted pizza, she likes it scalding hot.

I believe that time was our daughter's request.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:41 am

Until there are stars, planets, or other interesting heavenly bodies in the telescope, it is not worth viewing and using it.

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam%20...%20tImage.JPG

Letting me know when we can view such things.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:50 am

The matter raised by Jones intrigued me, so here is what I found and read JUS now:

Thanks to Jones.
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Why is the red supergiant star Betelgeuse in the news?

Beginning in October 2019, astronomers noticed that the brightness of Betelgeuse suddenly began to change. The star was dimming. Once one of the top 10 brightest stars in the sky, its brightness had fallen to 21st place by the end of December 2019. Wild claims have been made about this sudden dimming of Betelgeuse, and many misconceptions spread. Some media outlets claimed the dimming was evidence that the star was about to go supernova, ending its life in a spectacular explosion. Is that possible? And if Betelgeuse did go supernova, how would that affect Earth?


https://earthsky.org/space/betelgeuse-dimming-late-2019-early-2020-supernova

Is Betelgeuse’ dimming unusual? Will the star go supernova?
The dimming of Betelgeuse is not unusual per se. It has been known for a long time that Betelgeuse is a variable star, that is to say one whose brightness fluctuates over time. The star has been found to have multiple cycles of dimming: a 5.9-year main cycle and, within that, several smaller ones. It’s conceivable that – when the minima of all the cycles come together – the star could look exceptionally faint, as it does now.

And there are other possibilities. Astronomers have also suggested that the change in brightness could be due to some sort of eruption of gas or dust, or changes in the star’s surface brightness.
So will Betelgeuse go supernova? Yes! But probably not in our lifetimes. Current understanding is that all supergiants, be they red or blue, end their lives as supernovae. However, in the case of Betelgeuse, this event is predicted to happen anytime within the next few hundred thousand years.

Most astronomers do not believe a supernova is imminent. For example, astronomers Richard Wasatonic and Edward Guinan, of Villanova University, postulate that the current dimming is due to an unusually extreme 425-day dimming cycle within the main 5.9-year one. Unusual, certainly, but nothing that indicates an imminent explosion.
The other thing to remember is that there is no precedent, in astronomy’s history of observing supernovae, for the end of a supergiant star’s life to be preceded by a dimming of its light. Such a phenomenon has not been observed, although it cannot be ruled out. But certainly there is nothing in the computer models of supernovae to indicate the existence of a dimming phase before the explosion.

It must be said, however, that predicting supernovae is very much an inexact science, so there is still a possibility, however remote, that Betelguese’s fiery end could indeed happen tomorrow. Or, to be more exact, it happened 642 years ago and the light from it is about to reach the Earth.


jonesthecurl wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:What do they call it? Suds and Sky? See stars and suds? JUS wondering....! :D

Have you been?

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jonesthecurl wrote:I just discovered that at the local brewery at my new address they have an astronomy lecture once a month.

I haven't been yet -just moved in amd there was no December session.
https://www.sudwerkbrew.com/upcoming-onsite.html


Just discovered that they also sometimes do comedy nights...


So I went to this tonight, it was really fascinating. A bunch of topics covered. Why is Betelgeuse dimming, and is it about to go supernova? Neutron stars colliding. How the proposed 40,000 low-earth orbit broadband satellites will interfere with ground-based astronomy, and more. I'll be going again.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:01 am

Yes, apparently if it does (did) happen, the supernova will outshine the moon and be visible in daylight.

jusplay4fun wrote:The matter raised by Jones intrigued me, so here is what I found and read JUS now:

Thanks to Jones.
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Why is the red supergiant star Betelgeuse in the news?

Beginning in October 2019, astronomers noticed that the brightness of Betelgeuse suddenly began to change. The star was dimming. Once one of the top 10 brightest stars in the sky, its brightness had fallen to 21st place by the end of December 2019. Wild claims have been made about this sudden dimming of Betelgeuse, and many misconceptions spread. Some media outlets claimed the dimming was evidence that the star was about to go supernova, ending its life in a spectacular explosion. Is that possible? And if Betelgeuse did go supernova, how would that affect Earth?


https://earthsky.org/space/betelgeuse-dimming-late-2019-early-2020-supernova

Is Betelgeuse’ dimming unusual? Will the star go supernova?
The dimming of Betelgeuse is not unusual per se. It has been known for a long time that Betelgeuse is a variable star, that is to say one whose brightness fluctuates over time. The star has been found to have multiple cycles of dimming: a 5.9-year main cycle and, within that, several smaller ones. It’s conceivable that – when the minima of all the cycles come together – the star could look exceptionally faint, as it does now.

And there are other possibilities. Astronomers have also suggested that the change in brightness could be due to some sort of eruption of gas or dust, or changes in the star’s surface brightness.
So will Betelgeuse go supernova? Yes! But probably not in our lifetimes. Current understanding is that all supergiants, be they red or blue, end their lives as supernovae. However, in the case of Betelgeuse, this event is predicted to happen anytime within the next few hundred thousand years.

Most astronomers do not believe a supernova is imminent. For example, astronomers Richard Wasatonic and Edward Guinan, of Villanova University, postulate that the current dimming is due to an unusually extreme 425-day dimming cycle within the main 5.9-year one. Unusual, certainly, but nothing that indicates an imminent explosion.
The other thing to remember is that there is no precedent, in astronomy’s history of observing supernovae, for the end of a supergiant star’s life to be preceded by a dimming of its light. Such a phenomenon has not been observed, although it cannot be ruled out. But certainly there is nothing in the computer models of supernovae to indicate the existence of a dimming phase before the explosion.

It must be said, however, that predicting supernovae is very much an inexact science, so there is still a possibility, however remote, that Betelguese’s fiery end could indeed happen tomorrow. Or, to be more exact, it happened 642 years ago and the light from it is about to reach the Earth.


jonesthecurl wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:What do they call it? Suds and Sky? See stars and suds? JUS wondering....! :D

Have you been?

JP4Fun

jonesthecurl wrote:I just discovered that at the local brewery at my new address they have an astronomy lecture once a month.

I haven't been yet -just moved in amd there was no December session.
https://www.sudwerkbrew.com/upcoming-onsite.html


Just discovered that they also sometimes do comedy nights...


So I went to this tonight, it was really fascinating. A bunch of topics covered. Why is Betelgeuse dimming, and is it about to go supernova? Neutron stars colliding. How the proposed 40,000 low-earth orbit broadband satellites will interfere with ground-based astronomy, and more. I'll be going again.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:56 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Until there are stars, planets, or other interesting heavenly bodies in the telescope, it is not worth viewing and using it.

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam%20...%20tImage.JPG

Letting me know when we can view such things.

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Right the link is letting you know the sky condition there and whether you can see stars or not.

It keeps snowing lightly here so the light from the city reflects back from that moisture in the air. In a place with a lower rating on the bortle scale it would be dark at night instead of bright like it is while I type this.

The point of the webcam is so you can check the current sky condition there live and know whether or not to go outside to set up your teltescope to view things here.

I believe they installed it so they could see if it was clear enough to open the dome remotely and use the telescope. If you can't see stars on the webcam you also won't see stars with telescope near it.

The main telescope for anyone interested is in the dome you can see on the left side of the view from the webcam.
https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG

There is a fairly good chance there will be clear sky here in a few days, maybe Sunday, Monday or Tuesday? Just click the link then to find out.

Edit: I just looked at weather.com and they are forecasting clouds all next week even though it might warm up. It's around -23F right now.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:03 pm

OK. makes sense. I thought it was a still photo and NOT an active link showing CURRENT conditions. Thanks.

-23 F is COLD; It may get to +23 F soon here, but has been above 32 F (zero C) for most of January here in Richmond, VA

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jusplay4fun wrote:Until there are stars, planets, or other interesting heavenly bodies in the telescope, it is not worth viewing and using it.

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam%20...%20tImage.JPG

Letting me know when we can view such things.

JP4Fun


Right the link is letting you know the sky condition there and whether you can see stars or not.

It keeps snowing lightly here so the light from the city reflects back from that moisture in the air. In a place with a lower rating on the bortle scale it would be dark at night instead of bright like it is while I type this.

The point of the webcam is so you can check the current sky condition there live and know whether or not to go outside to set up your teltescope to view things here.

I believe they installed it so they could see if it was clear enough to open the dome remotely and use the telescope. If you can't see stars on the webcam you also won't see stars with telescope near it.

The main telescope for anyone interested is in the dome you can see on the left side of the view from the webcam.
https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG

There is a fairly good chance there will be clear sky here in a few days, maybe Sunday, Monday or Tuesday? Just click the link then to find out.

Edit: I just looked at weather.com and they are forecasting clouds all next week even though it might warm up. It's around -23F right now.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:19 pm

The NASA link was the astronomy picture of the day. Today it's a 3-D picture of the moon that you need the red blue glasses for.

The webcam server is down right now. It was kind of scattered clouds today so you might see something if the get it back online.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:37 am

betiko wrote:So.. what do you guys think about the possibility of an unknown planet in the solar system, that according to some caltech scientists has about the mass of neptune and has revolutions of roughly 10-20k earth years around the sun... that would be an explanation to the known planets orbits all leaning the same way compared to the sun.... could it be?
Also... if you bring it down to some ancient beliefs.. maybe that planet could beresponsible for the great flood or some meteorite crisis it could have brought from the kuiper belt?


Here are two videos on the subject, referring to it as "Planet 9."


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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:30 am

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/this-weeks-sky-at-a-glance-january-17-25/

Saturday, Jan. 25

• After dark now the Great Square of Pegasus is declining low in the west, tipped onto one corner. It's far to the upper right of Venus. Meanwhile the Big Dipper is creeping up in the north-northeast, tipped up on its handle.
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