Warned collusion by PFunk and MTiceman [ka]

[flapja]

Accused:

MTIceman
PFunk



The accused are suspected of:


Other: Collusion and splitting points in a game that had a round limit



Game number(s):

19071344


Comments:

Everything is in the chat. I would think this is something you wouldnt want happening

[MTIceman41]

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19036288

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19170797

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19304303

All game logs and chat showing flap willing to suicide into me.

After explanation saying my brain is focused on LHDD v S&M Cup war and 5am when it happened. Tried to reach agreement and apologize...still willing to slander my name and suicide games.

When you do your due diligence you will see Misunderstanding on my part with an apology in private message to try and rectify the situation; followed by flap then proceeding to suicide into other games and abuse the site.

Fill free to ask any player on this site on my character and ethics...I’m sure many can ask for referrals from people associated with me.

If more information is needed feel free to message me and sorry the inconvenience this has caused you.
MT

[riskllama]

MT = stand up dude. i can't see him doing anything of the sort... .

[MTIceman41]

MT = stand up dude. i can't see him doing anything of the sort... .

Llama good man; appreciate the support:


If this case needed more “proof” on all involved
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=18813305

23 08:24:24 - flapja: Ok, if you guys wanna split the points let me know. Ok f not and play this out, blue, I need you to get that 19 off my border
2019-08-26 05:55:51 - Hjaboa: I tired of this game, thanks 4 helping me decide the course of action flapja.
2019-08-26 07:08:03 - flapja: Enjoy going suicide blue
2019-08-26 07:08:27 - flapja: I asked a couple of times and you just built it more
2019-08-27 00:03:55 - Hjaboa: At least we get to c some action
2019-08-27 04:06:15 - flapja: why didnt you try and take me out blue? I was trying to get the rest of us the most points as it gonna go on forever but so be it

[nietzsche]

if that's MTIceman's pic on his avatar, he's clearly using all sort of PEDs.

I wouldn't trust a man that would cheat in his bodybuilding to be honourable on a game site.

[Donelladan]

When you do your due diligence you will see Misunderstanding on my part with an apology in private message to try and rectify the situation; followed by flap then proceeding to suicide into other games and abuse the site.

Why did you apologizing to flap I am not following.

Did you split point with P*Funk! by letting him win another game after winning the game in the OP ?

[MTIceman41]

When you do your due diligence you will see Misunderstanding on my part with an apology in private message to try and rectify the situation; followed by flap then proceeding to suicide into other games and abuse the site.

Why did you apologizing to flap I am not following.

Did you split point with P*Funk! by letting him win another game after winning the game in the OP ?

Nope; apologized because evidentially we had a “region/border ” truce I was unaware/forgot about . Didn’t even know a split point? So not sure why people bring that up. Wasn’t focused on the game because we are playing against some overly confident Frenchman maybe you know them?

[Donelladan]

Well P*Funk! did suggest splitting the point in the chat of the game in the OP. ( and that's what you are accused of) that's why I wasnt sure what you were referring to in your previous post.
Easy case if you didnt do it. Breaking truce doesnt matter here.


I dont know any overly confident Frenchman though. Only some rightfully confident Frenchmen

[MTIceman41]

Well P*Funk! did suggest splitting the point in the chat of the game in the OP. ( and that's what you are accused of) that's why I wasnt sure what you were referring to in your previous post.
Easy case if you didnt do it. Breaking truce doesnt matter here.


I dont know any overly confident Frenchman though. Only some rightfully confident Frenchmen

Well as you can see there was lots of chat; I looked at it at early, I was agreeing to team up against gran and flap, didn’t see the writing on chat honestly with regards to point splitting ; hence the wtf is all this crap.
Anyways just trying to move on; irony is flap has done this in another game. Let the judges check all games, facts, history of players and their character

[iAmCaffeine]

The best thing to do in this situation is just assume frosty broke all known rules and leave it at that.

[P*Funk!]

This is ridiculous. Please, check the chat. Four guys left 50 or so rounds through a 100 round game, that had ground to a halt, and I proposed to FLAPJA a number of scenarios that could loosen up the game. ALL of the proposals could potentially favor Flapja, but he turned them all down because the status quo was favoring him and he hoped to sit there and take the victory. After multiple rounds and multiple proposals another player started GIVING Flapja bonus areas to turn up the heat even more between the two of us; that was the breaking point for me. I turned to MT Iceman and offered him THE SAME DEAL offered Flapja, Iceman took it. We then took out both players with Iceman winning. Only then did Flapja start complaining.

Flapja has a history of vindictive, sore losing, suicide gaming. Check his ratings. Check the CHAT! He even said he has a crappy rating because that's the way he plays and he wouldn't be afraid to be vindictive again in other games. I've played over a 1000 games, I've never been accused of cheating and once every other year might get a negative rating from someone on a game. Like Iceman, I'm a man of my word, if I missed a line in the chat or done anything wrong I would apologize and try to rectify it...as I have done in the past. This time however, everything was on the up and up and some sketchy player got all sore because he lost a game he thought was his.

[Donelladan]

2019-08-26 15:20:10 - P*Funk!: against the winner of this game in which, the winner of this game, will lose on purpose to balance out the overall point total; I figure it will be five games or so. Makes sense? If more clarity needed, ask but on the clock.

I know you didn't went through with it, at least in this game, but do you do that often ?
Because I am pretty sure that's forbidden by the site rule.

[king achilles]

There is too much talk in these games about truces and everything and that's all on you or whoever is involved, if anything goes sour or if anyone didn't follow true to any truces or agreements, that's part of the risk you take for creating truces with the enemy. What is bothering is when it comes down to who should win the game with a negotiation for a bunch of games to be handed over, or as you call it - to split points. Let's not make this a habit. If a decider game is a must, let it be only one game. There may be extreme situations where this can be allowed, like maybe the game has gone for too long, maybe a year, then you can. but with the condition that all the remaining players in the game agrees to this kind of agreement then this can also be allowed. Please note that, just like in truces, if anyone doesn't follow through with what you agreed upon, this is still on all of you involved. Nonetheless, let's not be quick or too eager in resorting to this kind "solution" to resolve games. At some point one of you needs to make that move. If this becomes a regular thing that you do, these kind of proposals becomes gross abuse of the game and forbidden. A warning has been issued to those found guilty of this.

MTIceman41 please avoid sending private messages to your current opponent/s even it is only to apologize. You can do that in the game chat.

[flapja]

019-08-26 08:03:32 - P*Funk!: OK, I'll take my last shot with you. I can't sit and let you get bigger than me and hope for something at the end, which will not happen with just four players we have left.
2019-08-26 08:08:20 - P*Funk!: I also don't like Gran's chaos style of using other players as pawns, it's creative and has been effective, but it's unenjoyable to play against. All fine, but if I'm going to lose, I don't want it to be through an overall plan of manipulation.
2019-08-26 08:16:14 - P*Funk!: So: Last shot to you FIRST OFFER TO ICEMAN!
2019-08-26 08:18:38 - P*Funk!: Who will team up with me to get the other two out? Completely, all efforts to take the other two out. If achieved, regardless who is stronger at the end of this, we will finish this game and the other team mate who didn't win will get a series of games
2019-08-26 08:20:10 - P*Funk!: against the winner of this game in which, the winner of this game, will lose on purpose to balance out the overall point total; I figure it will be five games or so. Makes sense? If more clarity needed, ask but on the clock.
2019-08-26 08:21:49 - P*Funk!: First to respond gets my undying loyalty!....at least until we've evened out the points ; )
2019-08-26 09:30:59 - flapja: GRey is in your head is all I have to say. Several rounds to go and you’re panicking
2019-08-26 09:35:31 - flapja: Ice, I’d sit tight if I were you as it looks like Funk is gonna suicide
2019-08-26 15:17:39 - P*Funk!: Oh man, he's playing you. OR, you're just trying to maintain your position and hope that it doesn't get challenged. Suicide eh? What is that you did in the 99 round game we're in?
2019-08-26 15:40:19 - MTIceman41: Can you give me 2 rds? Cup war against LHDD just started; need time to think this through
2019-08-26 17:24:25 - flapja: When you see the map, you tell me who went suicide
2019-08-26 17:26:25 - flapja: Actually, do go after me and Ice, he just handed you the game as I will show what a suicide is next round
2019-08-26 17:27:36 - flapja: Funk, our truce is still in effect everywhere but Central America is fair game. If you want to back door me, knock yourself out.
2019-08-26 17:30:49 - flapja: There is a reason I’m a 4.6 and this will be the 1st match I purposely just go after you to make sure you don’t win
2019-08-26 17:31:02 - flapja: Or anyone
2019-08-26 17:50:30 - P*Funk!: Flapja....easy.
2019-08-26 17:52:00 - P*Funk!: First off I would never break a truce, never had, never will. I would expect that you would play the same with someone who shows you the same respect. And correct, the only place I could hit you is through C. America.
2019-08-26 17:54:42 - P*Funk!: The only thing I did here was to offer you an opportunity before I may, or may not, hit you. Nothing wrong with that, actually I was letting you make the call but you chose not to. That's fine.
2019-08-26 17:57:03 - P*Funk!: I'd rather act on my own (which in one way is what I offered you) than have to be reactive to others, which is what is happening to us due to the actions of the Sly Gran Rey ; )
2019-08-26 17:59:38 - P*Funk!: I was only commenting on your view of what I was doing was "suiciding". I don't think I've ever done it, at least not in a looooong time. But what might seem like that to some is sending a message to others and how you play. Like I believe, rightfully,
2019-08-26 17:59:58 - P*Funk!: you are doing in our other game.
2019-08-26 19:51:51 - MTIceman41: Let’s make this fun...I’m down for a battle, sure pfunk your on
2019-08-26 20:15:50 - P*Funk!: Hot Damn, we may lose quickly Iceman, but it a lot more fun to do it now than in three months.
2019-08-26 20:24:49 - P*Funk!: Good Game Gran!
2019-08-26 20:35:43 - P*Funk!: Wow, fat stacks everywhere! Yeah, you were for sure going to win this one flapja; probably still will...maybe not.
2019-08-26 20:36:42 - P*Funk!: OK Iceman, Gran's gone and I broke all of flapja's bonus'...but he has a ton of troops.
2019-08-26 20:37:23 - P*Funk!: As we are now teamed up, and all on the level, here's the scouting report.
2019-08-26 20:41:11 - P*Funk!: Greenland, Finland and Poland each have between 203-215 and Mali has 248....but will all need to squeeze through the Iberian peninsula to get to me. Not sure what's on the west side of his mass; Greece, Chad, Nigeria, et al...
2019-08-26 20:42:09 - P*Funk!: Outside of Greenland, he has roughly 200 troops there as well. So I'm looking at roughly 1100 troops. He seems to have stacks
2019-08-26 20:42:39 - P*Funk!: of 200 just behind his enemy lines, so maybe there's a few more out there.
2019-08-26 20:44:57 - P*Funk!: He'll reconfigure after next turn, but perhaps we can position ourselves for attackers die next turn.
2019-08-26 20:46:29 - P*Funk!: Good luck on your turn, I hope to see you on the otherside. Whoever of us makes it through this turn and wins, if either, will make the other "whole" after.
2019-08-26 23:27:18 - MTIceman41: So it begins
2019-08-27 06:46:16 - flapja: 2019-06-15 07:07:01 - flapja: Ice & PFunk, u 2 interested in making that border a 3 way truce? 2019-06-15 07:10:08 - flapja [self]: snapshot round 8 2019-06-16 00:57:18 - P*Funk!: flapja; I'm in. Two turn notice. The one who breaks gets to be attacked fir
2019-08-27 06:47:01 - flapja: its one thing to do a 2 v 1 kind of attack with 3 left but another to break truce without warning as you just did Ice
2019-08-27 06:47:27 - flapja: You just lost a win in the other match so I hope the the 1/2 game is worth it for ya
2019-08-27 07:02:17 - flapja [self]: snapshot round 66
2019-08-27 07:29:36 - MTIceman41: Honestly didn’t remember where that 3! Way truce was; you could have reminded me...attacking and threatening men in another game is pretty bad man...if that’s your game thennwhaver
2019-08-27 14:16:13 - P*Funk!: Gonna be tight....
2019-08-27 14:18:17 - P*Funk!: Iceman, I see 401 in Central Australia and that's pretty much it. I have singles in the Norwegian and Australian Claim as well as a single in Java and two in W. Australia.

Its pretty clear in the chat here. MT decided he was on for the deal that PFunk proposed.

In a private chat, MT told me he would let me have the game if I let him win a "fair" game . Breaking the truce isnt was I was irked about, it was the fact they agreed to split the points
I told him I always try to win and to do what he thinks is correct. In another game that he and I were in a tight battle, right after this crap had happened in the match I was trying to win. I took out 10 armies and MT decided to suicide into myself by taking out over 600 armies and then lose a match he would have won had he kept his cool...which he didnt

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19036288

MT has decided to bring the rest of this drama into every match were in. Its this kind of thing I want to avoid going forward and if I choose to use my armies somewhere, that is my choice and MT can just foe me.

[iAmCaffeine]

You a moose.

[MTIceman41]

Appreciate the understanding and have noted the issue king Achilles
Won’t let that mistake happen again.