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Re: USA Supertournament [128 Tournaments - 12-13-17]

Postby LiveLoveTeach on Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:30 pm

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djelebert wrote:something quite unfair :
Rounds are seeded by score so for poly games rounds for example first in score board will fight againt last, 2nd against penultimate etc. In four player games, 1st, 2nd penultimate and last will fight etc.
The problem is with people who left, they will be always last, so it's really easy to keep the first place.
For example for this tourney
https://www.conquerclub.com/player.php? ... nt_id=5691

Look who general cod fighted all rounds. On round 3 and 5, poly rounds, he fighted against bigbrow74 who left and is not premium. So 6 games already won. How is it possible for followers who want to fight for victory? nothing against general cod, but this kind of thing is deserving the fun of tourney.

I know it's not previewed to change format, but can it be possible to seed players for round not on score but randomly?

Perhaps this issue was already discussed but didn't see anything about it.


The real problem is that autotourneys don't allow you to replace deadbeats. Sadly, that's a side effect of the brain-dead autotourney engine and outside the scope of my power to change.

I see what you mean that seeding by score exacerbates the problem. I think for future tourneys I will accept your suggestion and change the Poly rounds to seed randomly.


I don't think this is going to be as much of an issue in the future tournaments because of the rounds being restructured. I think it might help to switch the poly4 with the 4p random... so that it becomes:
Round 1: 1v1 (2pts)
Round 2: poly3 (3pts)
SWITCH (this is the current round 4) Round 3: poly4 (4pts)
SWITCH (this is the current round 3) Round 4: 4p random standard-terminator-assassin (4pts)
Round 5: 4p standard (5pts)
Round 6: 6p terminator (7pts)
Round 7: 8p assassin (8pts)

This accomplishes the same thing you intended when you restructured the rounds in the first place (lowest point-value rounds first), but has all 2 player games at the beginning of the tournament. Since those rounds tend to move much faster than the multiplayer rounds, it's possible that we'll see less people deadbeating out of the games in those early rounds, esp since they probably shouldn't be joining tournaments and then deadbeating out of one of the first few rounds.

Switching the two I'm suggesting is to move the multiplayer round back with the others, and move the 2 player round up to the others, the point values for those two rounds are the same, and it may help the first 3 rounds move a bit faster. This eliminates the need for randomizing the seeding for the poly rounds (or any rounds).

Dukasaur wrote:However, within the discussion there was another proposal:
Subject: Should the USA Supertournament introduce eliminations?

DoomYoshi wrote:Just restructure the rounds so that the lowest point-value rounds are first and the higher point-value rounds are later.

.... which is accepted.

Starting with Massachusetts this week:
The old Round 1 remains Round 1 (1v1, 2 pts per game)
The old Round 2 becomes Round 5 (4p standard, 5 pts per game)
The old Round 3 becomes Round 2 (Poly3, 3 pts per game)
The old Round 4 becomes Round 6 (6p Term, 7 pts per game)
The old Round 5 becomes Round 3 (4p randomly Stan-Term-Ass, 4pts per game)
The old Round 6 becomes Round 4 (Poly 4, 4 pts per game)
The old Round 7 remains Round 7 (8p Assassin, 8 pts per game)

The new progression by round is therefore 2, 3, 4, 4. 5, 7, 8 points per game. This should help preserve the tension to the end and make these tourneys more exciting.


I liked your idea, but I took it a step further: I just eliminated Round 3 entirely, and moved the others up. Round 3, after all, was the bastard child of the original Round 5, which was supposed to have been a team game but became impossible due to autotourney limitations. I was never completely happy with what I replaced it with, and it finally occurred to me, after reading your thoughts there, that it no longer serves any real purpose and can be cut outright.

Starting with Week 24 (Mississippi) the new progression is:
Round 1 (2 Points per Game): Seeded by Score, 3 Games, 2 Player Standard
Round 2 (3 Points per Game): 24 Start, Seeded by Score, 2 Player Poly (3)
Round 3 (4 Points per Game): 24 Start, Random Draw, 2 Player Poly (4)
Round 4 (5 Points per Game): 24 Start, Seeded by Score, 4 Player Standard
Round 5 (7 Points per Game): 24 Start, Seeded by Score, 6 Player Terminator
Round 6 (8 Points per Game): 24 Start, Seeded by Score, 8 Player Assassin

The points-per-game steadily increase, and the size of the games steadily increases, with all the two-player games in the first half. This should much reduce the effect of deadbeats (they have a lot less effect in a 6- or 8- player game than in a 2-player game). In keeping with djelebert's idea, I made the second poly round randomly seeded, but kept the first poly round seeded by score.


Could this cause a problem with the final standings in that the second half of the weeks have one less round than the first half?

I'm also wondering about the random draw for the one poly round. It seems that positions do have the possibility and potential to change in the first couple of rounds, rather than the person in first place staying there for every round. djelebert asked about it based off of a week 1 Alabama tournament - before any of the changes to the rounds were made. I haven't seen as much of a problem with deadbeats giving unfair points in the poly rounds since the rounds were restructured - mainly because everyone is still there. I think that makes it not just unnecessary to need a random draw, but makes it unfair to those who had been doing well, as something like this could happen: 1 v 2, 3 v 24, 22 v 23, etc. Possibly a rare/extreme example, but that could move those from the bottom up to the top and those from the top down to the bottom in one round.
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Re: USA Supertournament [128 Tournaments - 12-13-17]

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:05 pm

The first tournament entered Round 7 on Dec. 16th.

That's the 41st anniversary of the start of my road trip to Guatemala....:)
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Re: USA Supertournament [128 Tournaments - 12-13-17]

Postby ironsij0287 on Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:06 am

I swore I signed up for Michigan but now am starting Massachusetts. I didn't think I goofed but maybe I did.
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Re: USA Supertournament [128 Tournaments - 12-13-17]

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:21 am

ironsij0287 wrote:I swore I signed up for Michigan but now am starting Massachusetts. I didn't think I goofed but maybe I did.


Yeah, you may have. I see you in Massachusetts but not in Michigan.
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Re: USA Supertournament [128 Tournaments - 12-13-17]

Postby josko.ri on Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:55 am

I dont see any autotournament waiting for players now, do we have holiday break or which round is now supposed to be
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Re: USA Supertournament [122 Tournaments - 12-07-17]

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:39 am

josko.ri wrote:I dont see any autotournament waiting for players now, do we have holiday break or which round is now supposed to be
Dukasaur wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Okay, looking forward to the usual complaints about too many events at the end of the year, I'm looking at easing off the throttle for both USA and the Great War.

The first parameter are the Christmas event and the 12 Anniversary event. (Admin-level events)

7 Days of Conquer Club Dec. 22 to 28.
12 Anniversary Event Jan. 1 to TBD.


For USA, I'm planning as follows:
Michigan Dec. 5th
Minnesota Dec. 12th

(first break Dec. 19th)
Mississippi Dec. 26th
(second break Jan 2nd)
resume full speed with Missouri Jan 9th.

For Great War, I'm planning as follows:
Kostiuchnowka Dec 8th
Rumania Part 2 Dec. 11th
Maghdaba Dec. 14th
Second Kut Dec. 15th

long-ish break
resume full speed with the Battle of Khadairi Bend, January 9th

This should avoid having too much stuff competing with the admin-level events. There will be no new Great War tourneys and only one new USA tourney during the critical two weeks of the major celebrations.
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby Mad777 on Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:41 am

Game 17915280, last round, last game ongoing in Alabama Iteration #1 tournament, we should start to see some change with the scoreboard page 8-)
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby morleyjoe on Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:49 am

I'm looking forward to seeing that result :D ;)
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby djelebert on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:31 pm

Our iteration is finished!
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:22 pm

We had a brief visitation from an "Unknown Player" due to a glitch in the scoreboard.

The Unknown Player is now known. :lol:

It is none other than morleyjoe, who has the honour of being the winner of the first completed tournament in the USA series.

Congratulations morleyjoe!!!

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

(Incidentally, morleyjoe also has the honour of being Canadian, so once again we are beating the Americans at their own game. :D )
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby fairman on Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:55 pm

Sorry if it's written somewhere.
But what are the prices for the general scoreboard winners?
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:15 pm

fairman wrote:Sorry if it's written somewhere.
But what are the prices for the general scoreboard winners?


Still in negotiations with BW. It was not a high priority at the beginning, since I figured I had lots of time before some scores appeared, so I worked on other stuff and let this slide. I always have 50 things to do, so I work on the most urgent or overdue and let other things go until they're urgent or overdue. That's not an excuse, just reality.

Anyway, about a week ago I saw that we were imminently facing the first tournaments to finish, so I kicked up the urgency of my discussions with BW, and we're close to an agreement, I think. Just a few more days I should have an answer for you.

Not going to get too specific, but I'm pushing for at least 20K creds divided between the top 25 players on the scoreboard, and and assortment of stars and medals, of course.
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:00 am

USA Supertournament is back to full speed today.
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby fairman on Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:35 am

=D> Thanks a lot Duka for your devotion to this community
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby DJENRE on Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:46 pm

fairman wrote:=D> Thanks a lot Duka for your devotion to this community

Indeed! =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: USA Supertournament [136 Tournaments - 1-10-18]

Postby fairman on Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:12 am

Duka, as it is a big tournament. Is it possible to get a GA Medal for the winner of a tournament with the higher score?
The maximum should be 99 points ?
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Re: USA Supertournament [136 Tournaments - 1-10-18]

Postby josko.ri on Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:51 am

fairman wrote:Duka, as it is a big tournament. Is it possible to get a GA Medal for the winner of a tournament with the higher score?
The maximum should be 99 points ?
Thanks

I previously suggested GA medal for person with the highest score from all winners in each of 52 tournaments.
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Re: USA Supertournament [139 Tournaments - 1-16-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:14 pm

Week 26, and we're moving to Montana.

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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby jytreberg on Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:55 am

Good to see some scores finally showing up on the board. Just looked through and saw a number of iterations on round 7 for the 'A' states. Thanks again as always to those involved in setting this up. I have been learning a ton by playing these games.
Mad777 wrote:Game 17915280, last round, last game ongoing in Alabama Iteration #1 tournament, we should start to see some change with the scoreboard page 8-)
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Re: USA Supertournament [134 Tournaments - 1-4-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:25 am

New tournaments in this series are now launching at 7:00 am instead of at midnight, or more specifically at 07:23. This makes it easier for BW to troubleshoot problems right away. If it is a Tuesday, and the new tourney has not appeared, and I am not around, somebody please send a message to BW if the tourney hasn't launched by 07:30.

Thanks...:)


jytreberg wrote:Good to see some scores finally showing up on the board. Just looked through and saw a number of iterations on round 7 for the 'A' states. Thanks again as always to those involved in setting this up. I have been learning a ton by playing these games.
Mad777 wrote:Game 17915280, last round, last game ongoing in Alabama Iteration #1 tournament, we should start to see some change with the scoreboard page 8-)

Good to hear!
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Re: USA Supertournament [142 Tournaments - 1-22-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:37 am

Final Event Prizes have been worked out!

1st: 4000 credits + Red star + Major Event Gold Medal
2nd: 2000 credits + Green star + Major Event Silver Medal
3rd to 5th: 1000 credits + Blue Star + Major Event Silver Medal
6th: 900 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
7th: 800 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
8th: 700 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
9th: 600 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
10th: 500 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
11th to 15th: 400 credits + Pink star + CA
16th to 20th: 300 credits + Cyan star + CA
21st to 25th: 150 credits + Cyan star + CA
26th to 30th: 100 credits + GA
31st to 35th: 80 credits + GA
31st to 35th: 80 credits + GA
36th to 40th: 60 credits + GA
41st to 50th: 40 credits + GA


I will also give a GA to the most amazing score on each map (across all iterations for that week.) There will not be multiple medals for this -- in case of a tie there will be a tiebreaker game.
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Re: USA Supertournament [142 Tournaments - 1-22-18]

Postby josko.ri on Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:54 am

Thanks, very nice prizes!

Dukasaur wrote:I will also give a GA to the most amazing score on each map (across all iterations for that week.) There will not be multiple medals for this -- in case of a tie there will be a tiebreaker game.


I have a question, does no multiple medals means that the same player cannot win 2 or more medals (if he wins different multiple maps) or it means that no 2 or more medals can be given on the same map?
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Re: USA Supertournament [142 Tournaments - 1-22-18]

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:02 pm

josko.ri wrote:Thanks, very nice prizes!

Dukasaur wrote:I will also give a GA to the most amazing score on each map (across all iterations for that week.) There will not be multiple medals for this -- in case of a tie there will be a tiebreaker game.


I have a question, does no multiple medals means that the same player cannot win 2 or more medals (if he wins different multiple maps) or it means that no 2 or more medals can be given on the same map?



No two medals on the same map, I was thinking.
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Re: USA Supertournament [142 Tournaments - 1-22-18]

Postby DJENRE on Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:18 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Final Event Prizes have been worked out!

1st: 4000 credits + Red star + Major Event Gold Medal
2nd: 2000 credits + Green star + Major Event Silver Medal
3rd to 5th: 1000 credits + Blue Star + Major Event Silver Medal
6th: 900 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
7th: 800 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
8th: 700 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
9th: 600 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
10th: 500 credits + Yellow Star + Major Event Bronze Medal
11th to 15th: 400 credits + Pink star + CA
16th to 20th: 300 credits + Cyan star + CA
21st to 25th: 150 credits + Cyan star + CA
26th to 30th: 100 credits + GA
31st to 35th: 80 credits + GA
31st to 35th: 80 credits + GA
36th to 40th: 60 credits + GA
41st to 50th: 40 credits + GA


I will also give a GA to the most amazing score on each map (across all iterations for that week.) There will not be multiple medals for this -- in case of a tie there will be a tiebreaker game.



Great!!! =D> =D>
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Re: USA Supertournament [142 Tournaments - 1-22-18]

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