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Will robots one day destroy us? It’s a question that increasingly preoccupies many of our most brilliant scientists and tech entrepreneurs.



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[Dukasaur]

It's entirely possible. We can only hope. We have nothing to offer them. Machines can do anything we can do, and they can do it better, faster, with fewer errors and at lower cost.

Our only hope is that the robots will keep us on as pampered pets, the same way we continue to keep dogs and cats even though we no longer need them for pest control.

I'm ready for Eloihood. Man, am I ever ready!

[betiko]

Let s be real.
They are the reason why we are here. We are creating superior beings, that might reach a stage of conscience at some point because they are the only hope for interstellar travel. and they could carry zeta terra bites of human history in their floppy disks while colonizing other galaxies. They are our only hope given that our planet and our sun won t be there forever. And our specie still has a lot of evolution to do.

[warmonger1981]

Let s be real.
They are the reason why we are here. We are creating superior beings, that might reach a stage of conscience at some point because they are the only hope for interstellar travel. and they could carry zeta terra bites of human history in their floppy disks while colonizing other galaxies. They are our only hope given that our planet and our sun won t be there forever. And our specie still has a lot of evolution to do.

With how old the universe is I'm sure there's other intelligence out there that's been around for billions of years. And if you think the intelligence were building is anything compared to what they already have should be no match. And when we meet them.. Checkmate we lose. Or at least the intelligence that we created would lose because it's billions of years behind other Technologies.

[Bernie Sanders]

Mankind only final goal in robotics is making sex robots. This will be a trillion dollar business and I want to be one of the first to invest my entire retirement income on this ground floor opportunity.

[tzor]

Will robots one day destroy us? It’s a question that increasingly preoccupies many of our most brilliant scientists and tech entrepreneurs.

First of all, chess is an interesting game because it is complex. But it is not so complex that blunt computational power can produce reasonable results. Add a little additional algorithms to eliminate useless trees in the search and you basically have the mind of a grand master with far more computational power. But that's it.

Intelligence is easy. Sentience and Sapience on the other hand is not all that easy. The former requires a lot of sensor information. The latter is just plain old mysterious. What if robots became aware? What then?

The answer is that we just don't know. The only thing we do know is that they won't be anything like us because they will have a completely different set of sensory inputs. We will have to wait and see.

[betiko]

Let s be real.
They are the reason why we are here. We are creating superior beings, that might reach a stage of conscience at some point because they are the only hope for interstellar travel. and they could carry zeta terra bites of human history in their floppy disks while colonizing other galaxies. They are our only hope given that our planet and our sun won t be there forever. And our specie still has a lot of evolution to do.

With how old the universe is I'm sure there's other intelligence out there that's been around for billions of years. And if you think the intelligence were building is anything compared to what they already have should be no match. And when we meet them.. Checkmate we lose. Or at least the intelligence that we created would lose because it's billions of years behind other Technologies.

All I know is that if they ve reached us they are pretty cool about leaving us alone.
Now imagine we create some sentient AI capable of self evolving at a huge pace.
Also... if we reach a certain level of technology far superior to the one of a planet with life forms on it... what would we do? Surely not destroy them... either cooperate in their developpement or let them be without establishing contact, and just monitor them. I don't think a superior intelligence would make all that trip just to destroy us. If they are that intelligent they would probably gain more by studying our civilization.

[tzor]

With how old the universe is I'm sure there's other intelligence out there that's been around for billions of years. And if you think the intelligence were building is anything compared to what they already have should be no match. And when we meet them.. Checkmate we lose. Or at least the intelligence that we created would lose because it's billions of years behind other Technologies.

The universe may have been around for billions of years (13+), but that doesn't mean the building blocks are there. You need the fundamental elements of star formation leading to supernovas before you have the heavier elements that all life needs to some extent. While you do get a few such events in the early universe, you need to wait for a critical mass, as it were of these events in order to have the general interstellar atmosphere filled with enough of the elements (like iron) in order for planets to have enough to support life creation.

Now planets closer to galactic centers this has a better chance of happening earlier, but these aren't safe places to life in and the odds of a later extinction before intelligence develops is quite high.

Which means you probably need to be at the galactic suburbs where we are. All things considered you probably need the same generation star. So this means that the technology might only be advanced by millions of years.

With one technical glitch. Space is a dangerous place, but space is space. The problems are somewhat known and don't change. At least on the earth, instability of environment leads to technological progress. When it's always cold or always hot people adapt, but when it's cold in the winter and hot in the summer you work on technology because you can't adapt to both conditions at the same time. Once a civilization reaches the point where they can freely wander through interstellar space there is no "need" for further advancement. They might remain at that level for thousands of years. The core of the civilization might advance but the explorers will not.

The same condition will happen with AI to an extent. It will become as intelligent as necessary to continue its "purpose" and probably no more than that.

[betiko]

With how old the universe is I'm sure there's other intelligence out there that's been around for billions of years. And if you think the intelligence were building is anything compared to what they already have should be no match. And when we meet them.. Checkmate we lose. Or at least the intelligence that we created would lose because it's billions of years behind other Technologies.

The universe may have been around for billions of years (13+), but that doesn't mean the building blocks are there. You need the fundamental elements of star formation leading to supernovas before you have the heavier elements that all life needs to some extent. While you do get a few such events in the early universe, you need to wait for a critical mass, as it were of these events in order to have the general interstellar atmosphere filled with enough of the elements (like iron) in order for planets to have enough to support life creation.

Now planets closer to galactic centers this has a better chance of happening earlier, but these aren't safe places to life in and the odds of a later extinction before intelligence develops is quite high.

Which means you probably need to be at the galactic suburbs where we are. All things considered you probably need the same generation star. So this means that the technology might only be advanced by millions of years.

With one technical glitch. Space is a dangerous place, but space is space. The problems are somewhat known and don't change. At least on the earth, instability of environment leads to technological progress. When it's always cold or always hot people adapt, but when it's cold in the winter and hot in the summer you work on technology because you can't adapt to both conditions at the same time. Once a civilization reaches the point where they can freely wander through interstellar space there is no "need" for further advancement. They might remain at that level for thousands of years. The core of the civilization might advance but the explorers will not.

The same condition will happen with AI to an extent. It will become as intelligent as necessary to continue its "purpose" and probably no more than that.

Interesting thoughts. Although I m wodering.. if it takes millions of light years to reach us from their home world, the ones reaching us would probably be wayyyy less advanced than the on their home world.
This being said by a stupid human that doesn't know much about worm hole travels and whatever teleportation or strange other things those aliens could do that wouldn t even fit our unfit minds.

[tzor]

Interesting thoughts. Although I m wodering.. if it takes millions of light years to reach us from their home world, the ones reaching us would probably be wayyyy less advanced than the on their home world.
This being said by a stupid human that doesn't know much about worm hole travels and whatever teleportation or strange other things those aliens could do that wouldn t even fit our unfit minds.

Wonder away. I suspect that the average number of intelligent species in our neck of the woods is exceptionally small. (By the way, not many people know where the hell we are ... perhaps a map is in order.)



So we are on the Orion Spur between the Perseus and Sagittarius arms. Looking at the map, we are about 25 KLY from the center of the galaxy, which is generally a spiral galaxy. This becomes important because it's basically a two dimensional problem (basically assume a 1 KLY thickness). So your advanced civilization is going to have to do an r squared search of the universe. This is incredibly boring work and as a result probably would be automated. So let's get a good optimistic hope that they are 10 KLY away, and probably on one of the two major nearby arms. That's a 100K search area and that's assuming they search randomly, which they probably won't because they might prefer exploration of their own arm first before sending mission across the inter arm space to what we call the Orion "spur."

Let's put this into context because you brought up the wormhole thing. Imagine the entire known Star Trek Federation with perhaps a single other civilization other than earth. Even advanced technologies is going to take years to go these distances and that's when you go a direct route. But we are a simple star in the middle of nowhere. Probes might not even get the information back to the home world for hundreds or even thousands of years (really there's no rush here). And this is the optimistic look at everything.

Now the millions is an interesting problem. The Galaxy is 100K in diameter. The Large Magellanic Cloud is 150K away. The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. So we are suggesting perhaps one major space faring race per galaxy? And they are going to quickly find their way to us? This isn't a technology problem. It's a geometry problem.

[warmonger1981]

Let's not assume all these intelligences progressed the same rate. So I suspect that your logic is irrelevant because you're equating all intelligences to progress at the same rate. Who the hell knows. The speculation is fun.

[ConfederateSS]

Let s be real.
They are the reason why we are here. We are creating superior beings, that might reach a stage of conscience at some point because they are the only hope for interstellar travel. and they could carry zeta terra bites of human history in their floppy disks while colonizing other galaxies. They are our only hope given that our planet and our sun won t be there forever. And our specie still has a lot of evolution to do.

With how old the universe is I'm sure there's other intelligence out there that's been around for billions of years. And if you think the intelligence were building is anything compared to what they already have should be no match. And when we meet them.. Checkmate we lose. Or at least the intelligence that we created would lose because it's billions of years behind other Technologies.

All I know is that if they ve reached us they are pretty cool about leaving us alone.
Now imagine we create some sentient AI capable of self evolving at a huge pace.
Also... if we reach a certain level of technology far superior to the one of a planet with life forms on it... what would we do? Surely not destroy them... either cooperate in their developpement or let them be without establishing contact, and just monitor them. I don't think a superior intelligence would make all that trip just to destroy us. If they are that intelligent they would probably gain more by studying our civilization.

-----Have you ever met humans before?...or picked up a history book?...Destroy,genocide,slavery,fear of something new,must crush whatever,before it gets me...
As for robots...I think the earth's climate will destroy them,let's face it...These machines will be created by...yup,you guessed it...by...Humans...maybe if the robots don't wipe us out...They will worship us...as their creators,and take pity on us... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[JoeConnor]

Our only hope is that the robots will keep us on as pampered pets, the same way we continue to keep dogs and cats even though we no more need them for pest control.

This is my hope also!