Noted hjelp - suiciding [ka]

[mrswdk]

Accused:

hjelp



The accused are suspected of:

Other: suiciding



Game number(s):

Game 17658916

Comments:

hjelp, me and a couple of others were all on roughly the same number of troops (40ish) with similar size bonuses. hjelp was in the lead and going to win if we didn't reduce his troop count, so I attacked him a couple of times and knocked 4-5 troops off one of his stacks. His response has been to move every single one of his troops to our border and suicide into me repeatedly. We both still had a chance in the game until he did that. He basically got pissed that I was trying to stop him winning and decided to wipe me out as punishment.

[hjelp]

I never get pissed

2017-08-27 15:34:03 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 2
2017-08-30 15:32:50 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 3
2017-09-02 10:44:52 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 4
2017-09-05 12:29:47 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 5
2017-09-07 16:42:56 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 6
2017-09-10 06:39:48 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 7
2017-09-12 00:01:31 - Lord_Bremen: Happy to be friends, pink.
2017-09-12 15:12:09 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 8
2017-09-13 16:15:53 - hjelp: I like that chat
2017-09-14 16:56:49 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 9
2017-09-16 12:08:48 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 10
2017-09-17 14:56:04 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 11
2017-09-19 14:49:05 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 12
2017-09-20 02:33:27 - mrswdk: Me, Orange, red - who wants to each chip off a couple of pink's troops?
2017-09-20 16:14:33 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 13
2017-09-21 14:48:32 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 14
2017-09-22 01:56:23 - mrswdk: nice one link
2017-09-22 01:56:35 - mrswdk: Take us both down
2017-09-22 17:02:38 - hjelp: you started
2017-09-22 17:03:02 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 15
2017-09-24 05:06:47 - mrswdk: Idiot
2017-09-24 09:57:46 - hjelp: how come? I have no chance to win if three player decides to weaken me, also I didn't attack you when you made you early attempts to secure your bonus.
2017-09-24 09:58:46 - hjelp: and when you became strong enough you immediately start to attack me and also urge others to do.....
2017-09-24 13:52:33 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 16
2017-09-26 01:23:01 - mrswdk: You were winning so the only logical thing to do was to try and reduce your troop count
2017-09-26 01:23:50 - mrswdk: After I attacked you and took like 6 of your troops, your response was to pretty much suicide into making sure that neither of us has any chance of winning
2017-09-26 16:45:25 - hjelp: if you say so..
2017-09-26 16:46:02 - hjelp: my chance to win was none since you started to reduce my troops..
2017-09-26 16:46:45 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 17
2017-09-26 16:47:30 - hjelp: but it's ok since now the game is open if all starts to attack each other...
2017-09-26 16:47:41 - hjelp: start...
2017-09-26 16:48:39 - hjelp: a game is interesting when players attack instead of stall mate.
2017-09-27 07:33:40 - mrswdk: you were still winning after i attacked. i only took like 6 troops off you
2017-09-27 07:34:28 - mrswdk: you launching into me cost both of us about 30 troops. leaves us with no chance
2017-09-28 13:17:21 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 18
2017-09-29 18:36:29 - hjelp [self]: snapshot round 19

[iAmCaffeine]

Can any C&A mods hjelp us out with this one?

[Thorthoth]

Can any C&A mods hjelp us out with this one?

Don't make jokes!
Suiciding is a serious cry for hjelp!

[GoranZ]

Suiciding

I dont see something like that here...

1. You simply can not expect that if you poke a lion he wont bite you... He will, and you will learn the hard way what you should not do.
2. mrswdk has the lowest points from all players. Personally if I cant win I would target someone will lowest points so I will lose less points.

[mrswdk]

There were four of us who all had about 50 troops and same sized bonuses. After I chipped a couple of troops off hjelp, he has attacked me repeatedly until the two of us only have 20. He’s clearly not doing anything other than punishing me.

[iAmCaffeine]

Naughty players ought to be punished.

[riskllama]

There were four of us who all had about 50 troops and same sized bonuses. After I chipped a couple of troops off hjelp, he has attacked me repeatedly until the two of us only have 20. He’s clearly not doing anything other than punishing me.

maybe he's had enough of you trolling the forums...

[Thorthoth]

not doing anything other than punishing me.

So how do we nominate this hjelp guy for a Community Service medal?

[king achilles]

hjelp's ratings is pretty good so that helps him show that he does not 'suicide' regularly. Perhaps this is an isolated case, and as GoranZ stated:

I dont see something like that here...

1. You simply can not expect that if you poke a lion he wont bite you... He will, and you will learn the hard way what you should not do.
2. mrswdk has the lowest points from all players. Personally if I cant win I would target someone will lowest points so I will lose less points.

Nevertheless, I will note this report.

[betiko]

How does this even deserve a note? This is such a standard metagame response.... whistleblower tells everybody to help trim the leader and is the first doing it, the leader gets ganged up on, loses all chances and punishes the whistleblower/first attacker.
There is absolutely nothing to see here. Spurious report mrswdk. You made a big diplomatic mistake and got to face the consequences... just take it as a lesson and don t blame hjelp for reacting like 90% of the players do on CC in these particular cases, from noob to experienced.

[benga]

How does this even deserve a note? This is such a standard metagame response.... whistleblower tells everybody to help trim the leader and is the first doing it, the leader gets ganged up on, loses all chances and punishes the whistleblower/first attacker.
There is absolutely nothing to see here. Spurious report mrswdk. You made a big diplomatic mistake and got to face the consequences... just take it as a lesson and don t blame hjelp for reacting like 90% of the players do on CC in these particular cases, from noob to experienced.

it is always noted, not sure why, gets me pissed too, got noted myself for the same thing

[mrswdk]

How does this even deserve a note? This is such a standard metagame response.... whistleblower tells everybody to help trim the leader and is the first doing it, the leader gets ganged up on, loses all chances and punishes the whistleblower/first attacker.

He didn't get ganged up on. I was the only person who attacked him and only took off a few of his troops. If he'd wanted to play sensible he still had a chance at winning the game, but he chose to punish me instead.

[Thorthoth]

... but he chose to punish me instead.

Again, I strongly recommend this report be transferred to CC's other C&A forum: Commendations & Accolades.

[betiko]

How does this even deserve a note? This is such a standard metagame response.... whistleblower tells everybody to help trim the leader and is the first doing it, the leader gets ganged up on, loses all chances and punishes the whistleblower/first attacker.

He didn't get ganged up on. I was the only person who attacked him and only took off a few of his troops. If he'd wanted to play sensible he still had a chance at winning the game, but he chose to punish me instead.

There is a reason why i don want to play against you in multiplayer anymore mrs... i know how you hit the leader, and "sensible" isn t the term I would use.

[mrswdk]

How does this even deserve a note? This is such a standard metagame response.... whistleblower tells everybody to help trim the leader and is the first doing it, the leader gets ganged up on, loses all chances and punishes the whistleblower/first attacker.

He didn't get ganged up on. I was the only person who attacked him and only took off a few of his troops. If he'd wanted to play sensible he still had a chance at winning the game, but he chose to punish me instead.

There is a reason why i don want to play against you in multiplayer anymore mrs... i know how you hit the leader, and "sensible" isn t the term I would use.

Did you read anything in this thread at all before joining or did you just see the accused's clan mates piling in to criticise me and assume that because they're clan nerds they must be correct?

It's a round limited, no spoils game in which four of us all had a similar number of troops. hjelp was dropping 1 more per turn than the rest of us and had enough troops that he would have won if no one attacked him. I attacked him and managed to kill 6 of his troops without losing any of mine. That was enough that hjelp was no longer in the winning position so I stopped. He could have waited and attempted to get back into first place, but instead he chose to suicide 40-50 of his troops into me making sure that neither of us could win.

[GoranZ]

hjelp was dropping 1 more per turn than the rest of us and had enough troops that he would have won if no one attacked him. I attacked him and managed to kill 6 of his troops without losing any of mine. That was enough that hjelp was no longer in the winning position so I stopped.

Suicide is only if you didn't provoke his attack. You sure did provoke it
Your attack hurt him, so he made an attack that hurt you. Eye for an eye. Majority of the players that commented here(including me) will do the same as hjelp. Change your strategy or face more failures like this one. The Note for hjelp will change nothing.

He could have waited and attempted to get back into first place, but instead he chose to suicide 40-50 of his troops into me making sure that neither of us could win.

Waited... why you didn't wait but you chose to attack him then?

[mrswdk]

He could have waited and attempted to get back into first place, but instead he chose to suicide 40-50 of his troops into me making sure that neither of us could win.

Waited... why you didn't wait but you chose to attack him then?

After I attacked him he could have waited and tried to regain the number one spot.

He behaved like a little bitch and it's sad that you're in here defending him just because he's your clan mate.

[hjelp]

well, I think it's my turn to speak out ....

please look at snapshot Round 7 - Sep 10, 07:39 CCT
I let Green take that bonus without any aggressive actions from me.

please look at Round 12 - Sep 19, 15:49 CCT
I have 49 troops - Green has 33 troops.

I don't know why Green states that he had 50 troops and we were all having same strength. It's obvious that I and Orange are the strongest players. After that snap Green urged other players to attack me. As if Green would have had any chance to beat me and Orange. Green only wanted Red and Orange to attack me so that Red and Orange and I weaken our troops, it's the only way for Green to win that game. I will be the one losing for sure.

What about this then ?

2017-09-24 05:06:47 - mrswdk: Idiot

I don't like to be abused by a player that in my opinion doesn't know anything about me as a player (nor person).

".....He could have waited and attempted to get back into first place, but instead he chose to suicide 40-50 of his troops into me making sure that neither of us could win..."

Green states that I shall try to get back into first place ...
What's the point, Green and the others will attack me again if I get back into first place..
Follow that -> I can't win the game so why shall Green win the game ?
I rather let another player winning the game, A player playing a fair game and that tries to win by his own skill and machine.
I start to wonder if "mrswdk" has skills enough, absolutely after this debate...


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What is more interesting is the following game, started soon after.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=17658915&full_log=Y

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Round 13 - Sep 26, 14:25 CCT

then
2017-09-27 07:31:38 - mrswdk received 3 troops for 7 regions
2017-09-27 07:32:03 - mrswdk deployed 3 troops on Kurrajong
2017-09-27 07:32:04 - mrswdk assaulted Richmond from Kurrajong and conquered it from Lord_Bremen
2017-09-27 07:32:07 - mrswdk ended the turn

and

Round 14 - Sep 29, 18:36 CCT

2017-09-29 17:35:10 - hjelp received 3 troops for holding Lower B. M.
2017-09-29 17:35:10 - hjelp received 2 troops for holding Upper B. M.
2017-09-29 17:35:10 - hjelp received 2 troops for holding B.M. National Parks
2017-09-29 17:35:10 - hjelp received 4 troops for 13 regions
2017-09-29 17:35:24 - hjelp deployed 4 troops on Warragamba (Dam)
2017-09-29 17:35:38 - hjelp deployed 5 troops on Winmalee
2017-09-29 17:35:55 - hjelp deployed 2 troops on Narellen
2017-09-29 17:35:59 - hjelp ended the turn


2017-09-30 08:20:59 - mrswdk received 3 troops for 7 regions
2017-09-30 08:21:09 - mrswdk deployed 3 troops on Richmond
2017-09-30 08:21:41 - mrswdk ended the turn


Round 15 - Oct 02, 14:20 CCT

2017-10-02 13:17:08 - hjelp received 3 troops for holding Lower B. M.
2017-10-02 13:17:08 - hjelp received 2 troops for holding Upper B. M.
2017-10-02 13:17:08 - hjelp received 2 troops for holding B.M. National Parks
2017-10-02 13:17:08 - hjelp received 4 troops for 13 regions
2017-10-02 13:19:16 - hjelp deployed 6 troops on Winmalee
2017-10-02 13:19:27 - hjelp deployed 2 troops on Lapstone
2017-10-02 13:19:35 - hjelp deployed 2 troops on Warragamba (Dam)
2017-10-02 13:19:40 - hjelp deployed 1 troops on Winmalee
2017-10-02 13:20:35 - hjelp ended the turn

and I wrote in the chat

2017-10-02 13:18:39 - hjelp: Green, you better take a bonus that you can take if you are going to attack, at the moment you have no chance to win the game.

There was no answer from Green. This is obviously a retaliation made by "mrswdk" only to prevent me from winning the game. Green is a "destructor".
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I have played many games multi-players and there are often players trying yo team up. The most effective way to handle such aggressive act against a single strongest player, that is for the strongest player to attack the "destructor" to give the "destructor" insight that it is a mistake made. I started to use that tactic long ago since I noticed that players teamed up and attacked me.

Based on the information given I suggest that if you are going to do any actions, action should be taken against "mrswdk".

and I'm still not an idiot and I'm never abuse players (at least to my knowledge) and if I have done that then I wasn't aware of it, perhaps language is an issue..?

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Summary.

I'm not sure of if I'm going to play any multi-player games from now on.. I have to think. Can I think? I think I can think
at least I thought that I thought...
This is entertaining almost as a circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpQf9hcrN8

[aad0906]

If I am in a multiplayer game and somebody attacks me and weakens me enough so I can't win the game anymore, but I still have some strength left in me, I will suicide into the instigator. The reason behind this is that in future games, they will think twice before crippling me again. Sound strategy seems to me.