Noted davekettering - secret diplomacy/ throwing game [ka]

[igor2016]

Accused:

davekettering


The accused are suspected of:

Other: Throwing Game/Conducting Secret Diplomacy


Game number(s):

Game 17500146



Comments: In a fog, 50 round game davekettering waited for a last round to make an attack on me and destroy 51 of my troops. With that move game was won by another player (Ekane) by +28 difference. Davekettering and me had a truce since round 14 and it was respected by both of us until this last round when he broke it. That was literally final move of the game with which he gained nothing, bringing his already low odds of winning to 0. For what I can tell, unless he had some secret pact with Ekane, his only gain is that he lost lower number of points by throwing game to Ekane. Either way I feel this breaks CC's rule on secret diplomacy or throwing games. Also, such moves make this community and gameplaying less enjoyable. What’s a point in playing with higher ranked players if someone will just suicide on you in last round if you are going to win, so that he would lose less points? That makes playing games totally unenjoyable and pointless.

[iAmCaffeine]

Then don't make truces and/or play round limits.

[Thorthoth]

This brings up several interesting points. Why was kettering even in a such a disadvantageous 'truce' with igor to begin with?
In a (boring) stack-and-wait round limit game, you are ultimately obligated to attack anyone who may have more troops than you. To NOT do so, at least on the last round, would be truly suicidal.
All truces end with and one or more losers and only one victor at most, sometimes none.
Ultimately, making a truce in a zero-sum game is a gamble at best and a source of bitter recrimination at worst.
Furthermore, the 'diplomacy ' of a truce may not be secret, but it is quite suggestive of uneven game play, which is also considered an offense, albeit one often difficult to interpret and enforce...

[MagnusGreeol]

- Do I know Dave on a personal level,,no,, But I've been around long enough to know who's who, DaveKettering in my opinion is not a cheat or underhanded player, Tough to get throwing a war when nothing in chat would assume that destination, One man could think what another wouldn't, be it a good/bad or ugly move, You can't assume someone's intentions because the outcome didn't favor you, (unless an ongoing feud between parties and/or chat suggests so?)

[groovysmurf]

I do know Dave on a personal level and when that game ended and he saw that the other guy had won, he came into skype and told our group how bad he felt immediately. It was in no way intentional. He believed that igor had the game and also that his troop count was much higher. If he had known the counts were closer he never would have done so. He in no way was conducting secret diplomacy with Ekane.

[MagnusGreeol]

I do know Dave on a personal level and when that game ended and he saw that the other guy had won, he came into skype and told our group how bad he felt immediately. It was in no way intentional. He believed that igor had the game and also that his troop count was much higher. If he had known the counts were closer he never would have done so. He in no way was conducting secret diplomacy with Ekane.

- I had faith in Dave & I do trust Groovy! ")

- There ya have it!

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[archieball]

Very interesting last turn. Why didn't Dave just deploy and end turn?

[igor2016]

I do know Dave on a personal level and when that game ended and he saw that the other guy had won, he came into skype and told our group how bad he felt immediately. It was in no way intentional. He believed that igor had the game and also that his troop count was much higher. If he had known the counts were closer he never would have done so. He in no way was conducting secret diplomacy with Ekane.

Dave just destroyed enough of my troops for the other guy to win comfortably. His last attack wasn't even auto attack. After my deployment in round 50 I had 530 troops on Guatemala (snap in attachment). After his attack I was left with 499 and he with 71. That means that, after he went through 7 territories, he manually attacked my stack until he destroyed 31 of my troops and then stopped. That requires too much effort for it to be unintentional move. Only outcome is that he reduced both his and mine troop count and secured victory for Ekane.

[MagnusGreeol]

- Right/wrong/up/down,,, I don't play round limit, or 3 man standard, Too many complications can arise in different forms of hurt and/or misunderstandings.

- GL though Igor, In life & War, It probs to end with foegetaboutit and move on,,( maybe stay away from the rounds for a bit and go to the slaughtering end?'')

[igor2016]

- Right/wrong/up/down,,, I don't play round limit, or 3 man standard, Too many complications can arise in different forms of hurt and/or misunderstandings.

- GL though Igor, In life & War, It probs to end with foegetaboutit and move on,,( maybe stay away from the rounds for a bit and go to the slaughtering end?'')

I agree with you on playing 3 man standard games, dynamics can be too complicated. On the other hand, I don’t see what would be different in a non-round limit game if Dave really did have a secret agreement and/or decided to throw a game. He would just be able to mask it better under some good sounding rationale like ''evening things up'' or something similar. Maybe I would feel better but result would be same for me, I would lose due to foul play.

Nobody offered a valid reason for Dave’s move in the final round. If this wasn’t a round limit game it would probably slip under radar, but as a final move in a round limit game it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

[iAmCaffeine]

Even if he stopped you from winning deliberately, what rule would he have broken?

[king achilles]

This looks to be a careless move by davekettering and this report has been noted. He has also been warned and told to be more careful when playing round limit games to hopefully be more aware of what the situation is especially when it's in the late stages of the game.

[Thorthoth]

This looks to be a careless move by davekettering and this report has been noted. He has also been warned and told to be more careful when playing round limit games to hopefully be more aware of what the situation is especially when it's in the late stages of the game.

Huh?? You mean the admins actually DO think he did something wrong?
Wow... KA just out-trolled the trolls.

[igor2016]

This looks to be a careless move by davekettering and this report has been noted. He has also been warned and told to be more careful when playing round limit games to hopefully be more aware of what the situation is especially when it's in the late stages of the game.

Thanks. It's water under the bridge for me but it's better for integrity of the game and CC if there is less such moves in the future.