DavidDuarte & MarioColuna - multis? [IP]

by **MadagascarAdam** on Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:02 pm

Accused:

DavidDuarte
MarioColuna

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis

or

Secret Truces ?

Game number(s):

Game 17646247
Game 17646252
Game 17611642 - same pattern, in this game one player constantly fed the other player territories but was never attacked back (i.e. multis)
Game 17506995 - this one they followed the same apparent pattern of multi/secret diplomacy, but they still lost
Game 17474063 - this one they followed the same apparent pattern of multi/secret diplomacy, but they still lost
Game 17390566
Game 17448463
Game 17460510
Game 17523789 - this one they followed the same apparent pattern of multi/secret diplomacy, but they still lost
Game 17588123 - this game is slightly different in that a lot of their turns were taken further apart, however, it's easy to see that they were feeding pink territories from the beginning of the game, and they'd clearly already picked pink (of the two multis) to win from nearer the beginning
Game 17543812
Game 17529272 - this one looks a bit more obvious, like they clearly handed the game to blue even though otherwise yellow would've easily won
Game 17646246
Game 17614060

Comments:
I noticed they always take their turns one after the other (within just a few minutes)... I looked in their past games together (most games they play are played together) and those games are always within a few minutes of each other too. They even both missed a turn at the exact same time (the only time they missed turns - view the last link I posted). They also basically NEVER attack each other except near the end of the game (presumably after all other threats are eliminated). Of course, near the beginnings of some games they might take one or two territories from each other (presumably to consolidate territory bonuses)... but no strong attack until all other threats are eliminated, and even then the remaining one of the two doesn't really attack back more than just to get a card or something like that.

If these guys aren't multi's, then they're probably living in the same house and working with secret truces in every game they're in. Either way, no one can play against them fairly if they always do secret truces (or if they're a multi).

Oh yeah, they also both joined within 4 days of each other (May 19 & 15 this year), and are both from Denmark. Pretty sure they're multis.

Game 17170565 - this is interesting because this is supposedly MarioColuna's first game (the "younger brother" that DavidDuarte multi says doesn't know how to play Risk), yet not only was his first game played before DavidDuarte joined ConquerClub (and this game was without DavidDuarte), but MarioColuna's interaction in the chat there does *not* seem like a total amateur player who doesn't even know how to lay the game (as MarioColuna suggested). I think these are entirely multi accounts. Probably a player that's been playing CC for a long time but decided to start multi accounts to do better in the rankings. If the mods here can follow up on IP addresses, then maybe you can find who their previous CC account was and ban that too - I personally think they deserve it.

by **TheForgivenOne** on Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:34 pm

Good eye

Good chance they are multi's. Could be siblings, you never know.

by **MadagascarAdam** on Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:35 pm

Yeah, there's always the chance of roommates/siblings... but even if they are, it's an unfair advantage because they're doing secret diplomacy. I checked like a dozen of their games, and it's all basically the same - moves right within minutes of each other (usually they join the same games at basically the same time - which is harder to do for freemiums like me), and never really attacking each other until the end of the game. So yeah, if that's not a multi, it's secret diplomacy and still isn't right.

by **IcePack** on Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:19 pm

Reviewing

by **MadagascarAdam** on Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:44 pm

IcePack wrote:Reviewing

Thank you for looking into this @Icepack . To be honest, in the game we're currently playing together... they're one turn away from wiping out me and yellow (obviously they're not attacking each other... though one of them did just now take a few random territories from the other after I accused them of being multis). And honestly, I don't want to lose to them if they're cheating, so I hope you can sort it out before it gets to that point. But if it takes more time, I understand.

They did write in the chat in there (after I accused them of being multis), that "Mario is the younger brother of David" and that Mario does usually team up with David. So, even if they're being honest about being brothers (which I'm a little suspicious of, given the way they always take their turns in such quick succession)... then they're still having secret alliances/diplomacy and that's cheating and not fair to all the other players they've been playing against when the others didn't know they were teamed up against everyone else.

So, please do whatever you do in this situation (with either multi's or lots of secret diplomacy) and do it soon if you can. Thank you!

by **MadagascarAdam** on Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:17 pm

One thing that's interesting is DavidDuarte saying he told his little brother (allegedly MarioColuna) to join him on ConquerClub in order to teach him how to play, so that MarioColuna (allegedly his little brother) could then play Risk board games with him in real life.

It just doesn't add up though considering DavidDuarte's profile (the one that said he's the older brother with more experience playing Risk) joined ConquerClub 4 days AFTER the MarioColuna profile. If the older brother has more experience and invites the younger one to join him on ConquerClub to learn the ropes, then the older brother *should* have been the one to have already been a member of ConquerClub and know what's going on.

I checked more of their games together to see what happened and have updated the original post to include more games that show clear indications of multi/secret diplomacy (most likely multi).

Game 17170565 - this is interesting because this is supposedly MarioColuna's first game (the "younger brother" that DavidDuarte multi says doesn't know how to play Risk), yet not only was his first game played before DavidDuarte joined ConquerClub (and this game was without DavidDuarte), but MarioColuna's interaction in the chat there does *not* seem like a total amateur player who doesn't even know how to play the game (as MarioColuna suggested). I think these are entirely multi accounts. Probably a player that's been playing CC for a long time but decided to start multi accounts to do better in the rankings. If the mods here can follow up on IP addresses, then maybe you can find who their previous CC account was and ban that too - I personally think they deserve it.