[MC1] TOP v FOED 23-18 of 41 - TOP Win FINAL 7/21

[betiko]

it kind of feels like TOP is what pack was like back in 2011

with one BIG difference imho. TOP are better than Pack were back then.

I don't know if there's enough results / data to really justify that yet (besides maybe a gut feeling). There definitely isn't enough high ranked evidence yet, back then PACK convincingly defeated some top 10 talents (not just a small margin).

This FOED war will tell a lot, if it's a big win there might be an argument for it but if it's a tight war idk how that comparison could be substantiated. In CL7 SD PACK and TOP were pretty evenly matched based off the results (I know it's small batch and not full war) however, if they are equal to PACK or FOED now, I'm not sure the case can be made they are better than PACK at its peak.

pack had a record of 12 wars won straight or something like that, including top clans, everybody wanted to see us fall, mostly established clans. As far as I know... TOP hasn't proved half of that. Not saying they can't, I'm saying we don't know. But just like pack back then... they are the new clan that speaks a bit too much out of its own ass and that people would like to see spanked.

i know you're very impressed because they beat HH keefie

and ice... today's pack has nothing to do with the one back then as there might be 1 active member left, and not really a leader. Today's pack is a pretty good clan created by jtile, who left AFOS with many other members, and had to rebuild everything from the ground up. So the pack right now just shares the name, but "AFOS prime" would be more acurate.

[IcePack]

I know, that's why I made the distinction between PACK of the past and PACK of today

[Keefie]

it kind of feels like TOP is what pack was like back in 2011

with one BIG difference imho. TOP are better than Pack were back then.

I don't know if there's enough results / data to really justify that yet (besides maybe a gut feeling). There definitely isn't enough high ranked evidence yet, back then PACK convincingly defeated some top 10 talents (not just a small margin).

This FOED war will tell a lot, if it's a big win there might be an argument for it but if it's a tight war idk how that comparison could be substantiated. In CL7 SD PACK and TOP were pretty evenly matched based off the results (I know it's small batch and not full war) however, if they are equal to PACK or FOED now, I'm not sure the case can be made they are better than PACK at its peak.

pack had a record of 12 wars won straight or something like that, including top clans, everybody wanted to see us fall, mostly established clans. As far as I know... TOP hasn't proved half of that. Not saying they can't, I'm saying we don't know. But just like pack back then... they are the new clan that speaks a bit too much out of its own ass and that people would like to see spanked.

i know you're very impressed because they beat HH keefie

and ice... today's pack has nothing to do with the one back then as there might be 1 active member left, and not really a leader. Today's pack is a pretty good clan created by jtile, who left AFOS with many other members, and had to rebuild everything from the ground up. So the pack right now just shares the name, but "AFOS prime" would be more acurate.

We had the advantage of playing them in 1) their first ever war and 2) with a roster that wasn't half as impressive as it is now. I identified that their weakness then was, apart from FreeFalling123, a lack of experience in conquest maps. So I took advantage of that. That weakness no longer exists. As for our win against them in CL7 (their only defeat) I knew that they'd slaughter us unless I took the chance and played 'mini' maps. The tactic worked and we won 5-3, on their maps we lost 8-0.

PaP and his team have put this clan together very carefully, they've not rushed into anything. They've identified their own weaknesses and have filled the gaps accordingly. Their performance in CL7 has been stunning and they've been a class apart from everyone else. I expect that they'll be just as stunning in this competition.

[ElricTheGreat]

I love all this practical analytics ... but everything will have to be put on hold for at least another day !!!

What were our leaders thinking .... are we really thinking of starting an epic showdown on MOTHER'S DAY !!!

Oh the sacrilege!

[PaulatPeace]

TOP has agreed with FOED to begin our war tomorrow (Sunday, May 8 - Mother's Day). TOP has also agreed to present our Set 1 games first. We have asked FOED if they will kindly post their Set 1 games within 24 hrs of ours. We await their response as we know they are busy atm.

Looking forward to a great war & will leave the predictions to the pundits. Meanwhile TOP and FOED will get to kicking ass!

GL FOED!

Paul

[GoranZ]

TOP has also agreed to present our Set 1 games first. We have asked FOED if they will kindly post their Set 1 games within 24 hrs of ours.

Why dont you guys exchange it like normal people?

[owenshooter]

this "clan war" should finally answer the age old question...




*cough*... nope...-Jésus noir

[riskllama]

why are you here, owen?

[narutoserigala]

I would not go so far as point 2 by Keefie.

Reviewing our first war with HH. The first set was 11-10 in our favour but Set2, we blew them out of the waters! It was not until we were almost halfway through Set2, that HH won it's first game, wasn't it?

The difference between the 2 sets was that we were just testing the waters in Set1. The reason for the blow out victoryin Set 2 was an all round contribution from a number of key members, not just 1 or 2. Moreover, there were player game limit anyway, so what is this weakness you were saying?

From the beginning we have had elite players at TOP. They say birds of the same feathers flock together. That is why over this past year, TOP has been the preferred choice for a number of "top unrestricted players"!

Our members have experienced growth, many have risen in ranks and achievements. Good things continue to happen at TOP like our 75% CL7 win rate (but not so good for our opponents!).The CL7 Championship is only just one example and is good milestone for our young clan and this success only goes to confirm the position of TOP as a clan that any serious player would want to belong to

[iAmCaffeine]

It's funny when people forget who helped them get to the top.

[Keefie]

It's funny when people forget who helped them get to the top.

Thanks for pointing that out Josh. I haven't enough digits to count the number of PM's I responded to. I'll add that I gladly did it then and I'd do the same again.

I would not go so far as point 2 by Keefie.

Reviewing our first war with HH. The first set was 11-10 in our favour but Set2, we blew them out of the waters! It was not until we were almost halfway through Set2, that HH won it's first game, wasn't it?

The difference between the 2 sets was that we were just testing the waters in Set1. The reason for the blow out victoryin Set 2 was an all round contribution from a number of key members, not just 1 or 2. Moreover, there were player game limit anyway, so what is this weakness you were saying?

From the beginning we have had elite players at TOP. They say birds of the same feathers flock together. That is why over this past year, TOP has been the preferred choice for a number of "top unrestricted players"!

Our members have experienced growth, many have risen in ranks and achievements. Good things continue to happen at TOP like our 75% CL7 win rate (but not so good for our opponents!).The CL7 Championship is only just one example and is good milestone for our young clan and this success only goes to confirm the position of TOP as a clan that any serious player would want to belong to

Mmmm don't let facts get in the way of the truth Andrew

The score after the first set was HH 10 TOP 10 and HH won the tiebreaker making it 11-10 to us You guys won the second set 13-7.

Overall I was very proud of my guys for giving TOP a squeaky bum for a while Despite my bravado at the time, I never really expected us to win and not many clans will get as close as we did again.

As for saying that you were only testing the water in set 1 is imho a bit disingenuous. You guys were clueless on certain maps (Lunar War for example) and only had your bacon saved in others by FreeFalling123, the player I was most concerned about. You guys knew this too as you used him more than any other player.

As for having 'Elite' players. Hmmmmm...... Like most 'Generals' on this site you only play half a dozen maps that you are good at and are very protective of your points and rank. You are 'Elite' at Stalingrad, Waterloo and Feudal Epic. I could name 150 maps on this site that you've never played before that I would probably beat you at. So be careful when you use the term 'Elite'. It's players with strong x-map ability,like FreeFalling123, MagnusGreol & dkmaster, who will win the majority of games for you guys

Your clans weakness THEN, was Conquest Maps, a weakness that you have filled by adding a number of very strong players to your roster. I actually map ranked every member of your clan at the time and produced this:

[narutoserigala]

I would not go so far as point 2 by Keefie.

Reviewing our first war with HH. The first set was 11-10 in our favour but Set2, we blew them out of the waters! It was not until we were almost halfway through Set2, that HH won it's first game, wasn't it?

The difference between the 2 sets was that we were just testing the waters in Set1. The reason for the blow out victoryin Set 2 was an all round contribution from a number of key members, not just 1 or 2. Moreover, there were player game limit anyway, so what is this weakness you were saying?

From the beginning we have had elite players at TOP. They say birds of the same feathers flock together. That is why over this past year, TOP has been the preferred choice for a number of "top unrestricted players"!

Our members have experienced growth, many have risen in ranks and achievements. Good things continue to happen at TOP like our 75% CL7 win rate (but not so good for our opponents!).The CL7 Championship is only just one example and is good milestone for our young clan and this success only goes to confirm the position of TOP as a clan that any serious player would want to belong to

I apologise for mixing up 11-10 with 10-11, if that is such a big deal to you.

If the clan wars were supposed to expose our weakness, supposed narrow exposure to CC maps, how is it that HH with a vast experience at more maps than us, could lose when we have such a glaring weakness to exploit? Actually, the more you point out how "poor" we are, well I guess that just kind pointing back how really bad your HH must be to lose like that.

I hope you are not devaluing the achievements of the Generals before me or the current ones irregardless of how they got there. Seems to me that you are reaching only just to hit me. Worse, it might cast you in a negative light. People might think that just because you fail to reach that rank, you are trying to devalue it. I really hope that is not the case.

You think you can beat me at 150 maps. I grant that you did beat me one time in a casual game but that is a far cry from 150 games. . I do not know what could lead you to such a conclusion especially when you received far too generous an aid from the dice. If you think it will bait me, I really do not care about it. I am simply not interested in most maps. I just care about playing the maps that I like that gives me a better chance to win with poor dice.

If your analytics end up producing results, maybe it counts for something. Forgive me if I do not regard it as highly as you own estimation.

By the way, I am not a General. I am a Field Marshall.

Cheers,

[Keefie]

Andrew,

Please re-read what I have said. I have been a huge supporter of TOP from day 1, right up until today. I have said nothing derogatory in this thread and have praised your clans abilities, even predicting a 26-15 over FOED. Please tell me where I said you were "poor". What I said was that when you started you guys had a weakness that I tried to exploit, you do not have it anymore. Collectively you were and are better than us and possibly everyone else too.

K

[PaulatPeace]

TOP has agreed with FOED to begin our war tomorrow (Sunday, May 8 - Mother's Day). TOP has also agreed to present our Set 1 games first. We have asked FOED if they will kindly post their Set 1 games within 24 hrs of ours. We await their response as we know they are busy atm.

Looking forward to a great war & will leave the predictions to the pundits. Meanwhile TOP and FOED will get to kicking ass!

GL FOED!

Paul

TOP's Home games for set 1 have been created and posted and filled. We await FOED's games.

Paul
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I will add a few comments here for consideration:

1) I have learned much in the couple of clan wars we have been in and even more from the CL7 experience. I never participated much in CC forum discussions and was not sure what to expect. I have found that the personalities and egos we see in RL certainly transcend to CC. This is RL being experienced through the medium of online gaming (one of the marvels of modern day advances). There are players who will always look for an opportunity to instigate trouble or escalate divisions or discord at some level...either directly or subtly. I have very little use for such players. If this is the best usage of the time you have available in your life....I sincerely feel sorry for you.

2) I believe the higher ground is usually to ignore the negative comments and focus on the positive. Those things which promote harmony rather than discord are always preferable. There are times though when I feel something must be said in response to negative rhetoric. a) Someone is being unjustly picked on or abused by another b) There is flagrant abuse of a forum of from those in power c) There is a principle or ethic which is being called into question or violated. Sometimes one's conscience demands one stands up for what they perceive as just, fair and right.

3) We all have rather sizable egos and our ability to keep them in check is often disproportionate to the size itself! Unless you are wanting to inflame and instigate trouble.....it may be best to moderate one's comments and use a little discretion when commenting about others. The friendly banter which often permeates these threads can e fun to engage in.....but also can be interpreted by others as unnecessary and infantile. We must be careful while we are attempting to have harmless "fun".

4) Everyone has their own individual opinions about everything. That doesn't necessarily make anyone right or wrong. We must sometimes simply agree to disagree!
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Additionally....Determining who is the best player of who is the best clan is a precarious endeavor at best. I believe objectively it is factual to say those clans that have been around for a while and achieved indisputable success and achievement are most deserving of their status. Those newer to the clan world must earn their respect and pay their dues.

Players can be evaluated in a number of ways. Score, Medals, Cross-Map Ability, etc are significant abilities to consider as well as others. I personally consider the players who have played many maps and are good at many maps with many settings and in team formats as well as standard....the very best players! One must also recognize that this site has established a platform by which they define "success" on CC. All one has to do is look at the "SCOREBOARD" to see what is held in highest esteem. 3 of the 4 categories are based on "POINTS ACHIEVED". Whatever your method of getting there.....the higher the rank you achieve.....the more respect you receive in general from all the players on CC. And there can be no dispute....the higher your rank....the harder it is to keep it!

Paul

[Conchobar]

Okay, lads. Can you all just shut up, please?
This is the TOP v FOED thread and I really can't be arsed reading all that shite.
Kindly go bicker somewhere else you bunch of nancies.

[RobbieDub]

Okay, lads. Can you all just shut up, please?
This is the TOP v FOED thread and I really can't be arsed reading all that shite.
Kindly go bicker somewhere else you bunch of nancies.

They are just working hard to refute the Black Jesus' question.

I found the answer for him...or maybe this is him?

[PaulatPeace]

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?

I think the better question might be:

When the sharp sword of The Omega Pantheon decapitates you....did you hear it?.....did you see it? .....did you feel it?

Answer: It doesn't matter ...... you've been defeated ...... and you never knew what was coming!

Paul

[ElricTheGreat]

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?

I think the better question might be:

When the sharp sword of The Omega Pantheon decapitates you....did you hear it?.....did you see it? .....did you feel it?

Answer: It doesn't matter ...... you've been defeated ...... and you never knew what was coming!

Paul

All this talk of chopping off heads ...

Just wield Stormbringer .... this demonic sword is only interested in sucking away your SOUL

No need to lose your head at all!

Let's get this started! -- Enjoy the battles while you can.

[PaulatPeace]

I like your enthusiasm Elric! Let's dance!

Paul

[Keefie]

Cool, more Headless ones

[JPlo64]

This is sooo much fun

I have a SLIGHT fear that TOP are like the White Walkers and "Winter is Coming".....

Unfortunately for them, FOED are the CLan version of the Starks in the North and we'll put them down before they make their way to King's Landing

[ElricTheGreat]

This is sooo much fun

I have a SLIGHT fear that TOP are like the White Walkers and "Winter is Coming".....

Unfortunately for them, FOED are the Clan version of the Starks in the North and we'll put them down before they make their way to King's Landing

Hey ... now you wait a minute here JP!!!

Arya trying to say that if they kill us we have to all join their clan?

I call dibs on the Red Hair Lady ... so if I die I get to come back to kill everyone who was involved with my death ... only fitting seeing how I possess a cursed devilish sword an' all right?

[downfall]

It's funny when people forget who helped them get to the top.

Thanks for pointing that out Josh. I haven't enough digits to count the number of PM's I responded to. I'll add that I gladly did it then and I'd do the same again.

I would not go so far as point 2 by Keefie.

Reviewing our first war with HH. The first set was 11-10 in our favour but Set2, we blew them out of the waters! It was not until we were almost halfway through Set2, that HH won it's first game, wasn't it?

The difference between the 2 sets was that we were just testing the waters in Set1. The reason for the blow out victoryin Set 2 was an all round contribution from a number of key members, not just 1 or 2. Moreover, there were player game limit anyway, so what is this weakness you were saying?

From the beginning we have had elite players at TOP. They say birds of the same feathers flock together. That is why over this past year, TOP has been the preferred choice for a number of "top unrestricted players"!

Our members have experienced growth, many have risen in ranks and achievements. Good things continue to happen at TOP like our 75% CL7 win rate (but not so good for our opponents!).The CL7 Championship is only just one example and is good milestone for our young clan and this success only goes to confirm the position of TOP as a clan that any serious player would want to belong to

Mmmm don't let facts get in the way of the truth Andrew

The score after the first set was HH 10 TOP 10 and HH won the tiebreaker making it 11-10 to us You guys won the second set 13-7.

Overall I was very proud of my guys for giving TOP a squeaky bum for a while Despite my bravado at the time, I never really expected us to win and not many clans will get as close as we did again.

As for saying that you were only testing the water in set 1 is imho a bit disingenuous. You guys were clueless on certain maps (Lunar War for example) and only had your bacon saved in others by FreeFalling123, the player I was most concerned about. You guys knew this too as you used him more than any other player.

As for having 'Elite' players. Hmmmmm...... Like most 'Generals' on this site you only play half a dozen maps that you are good at and are very protective of your points and rank. You are 'Elite' at Stalingrad, Waterloo and Feudal Epic. I could name 150 maps on this site that you've never played before that I would probably beat you at. So be careful when you use the term 'Elite'. It's players with strong x-map ability,like FreeFalling123, MagnusGreol & dkmaster, who will win the majority of games for you guys

Your clans weakness THEN, was Conquest Maps, a weakness that you have filled by adding a number of very strong players to your roster. I actually map ranked every member of your clan at the time and produced this:

can't wait to see your new map rank. i am not on this old one.