Cleared WillyWhale & scifigirl [ka]

[fransilva07]

In the game #15984469 the other two players have established a union to my death. I understand that they do to combat a common enemy but until weakening. Do it until is disappears does not seem Legal but a vengeance.

Anyway I am already defeated and there is nothing to do.

I leave to your consideration.

thank you

Accused:

WillyWhale
scifigirl



Game number(s):

#15984469

[concrete]

Game 15984469
fixed the link....not sure what the hell green is doing, if he doesn't kill you both this round he is just dumb.
Looks to me like fransilva07 has made deals, and the game is a mess.....not sure what there is to "complain" about here.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Its trench concrete

[owenshooter]

In the game #15984469 the other two players have established a union to my death. I understand that they do to combat a common enemy but until weakening. Do it until is disappears does not seem Legal but a vengeance.

it's called playing a game... all of it is in chat, so it is not against the rules. good luck with this. seems like a frivolous complaint to me... the black jesus declares this a "whine thread"... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

p.s.-did you notify those you are accusing of this thread or are you just THAT kind of CC user? yeah, thought so...

ITS NOT FAIR!!!

[Jdsizzleslice]

Yeah. Green has such a big lead, he really isn't teaming up with blue. If you don't like how either of them play, just Foe And Move On (FAMO), and you will never have to play them.

[WillyWhale]

Hi guys, never had to do this before, so bear with me if I'm not quite on point.

Here's what the logs will (partly) show you:

1. Blue and I (Green) found that it would be best for us if we truced along a certain border in the [Middle East][correction: Horn of Africa]. Cool.

2. Blue and I each established good gains without breaking truce. We both benefited and Yellow was on his back foot.

3. Now that we were out of the woods, Blue and I ended that border truce, and then I gained even more territory.

4. Yellow told Blue to "wake up" because I was obviously on the rise. No worries there. Very soon after, Blue attacked me and carved me up pretty easily.

5. Blue was now on the rise. Yellow allied with me briefly to help us both stabilize.

6. Once we reached good standing, ended alliance. All actions legitimate.

7. Yellow began to rise. I suggested an alliance to Blue. Yes, it's a diplomatic and geographic mess, but that's the game when anyone seizes a definite lead.

8. Blue actually never responded, but I've played games against Blue (and once or twice we've also done doubles) and I know Blue to be trustworthy and cooperative with common sense. So we played nice with each other for a few rounds even without a formal truce or alliance.

9. Then, once I grabbed the lead again, Blue wisely popped over my border with some troops and reduced my bonus by about 30-50%.

10. Because I had spoils, I was able to rebut this advance while continuing to sweep into Yellow's territory. It was an expensive move since I wanted to sit on those spoils, but I was more interested in extending that lead. So that's where we're at now (and frankly, I'm afraid Yellow's spoils will do some real damage before I can stabilize my gains).

Summary:

It's pretty clear that everyone has teamed up with everyone else at some point in this game. The sticking point seems to be: Yellow had a solid lead and I was on the back foot at the time, so I found it prudent to let Blue take the lead as long as Blue wasn't going after me.
This eventually resulted in me taking enough of Yellow's territory that I now have the lead. It's possible that Yellow doesn't like my strategy, but that doesn't make my moves illegitimate. Diplomacy/game chat is a major part of my method (you'll see I'm often tagged as "Talkative" and "Friendly").

Blue is certainly beyond reproach - always a very honest and trustworthy player, and in this game definitely operating above board and independently.

[scifigirl]

As WillyWhale aptly pointed out this game has had a running series of alliances or pseudo alliances (no, I don't typically respond when an alliance is proposed unless I want to agree to concrete terms). At one point I'd nearly been wiped out myself and was only saved due to the breakup of the truce Willy lists in #6.

I really don't know what to say other than to check the logs. I believe you'll find that any alliance offers were put into the game chat (including yellow's alliance with green) and that I have consistently attacked both of the other players in ways that make strategic sense (to me) at the time.

Thanks to owenshooter for pointing out that this thread existed. If any of the admin want to discuss it with me further, I'm happy to talk about it, but for myself, after this game I will simply "Foe and Move On" as Jdsizzleslice suggests above.

[king achilles]

Based from the attacks and the truces made in the game chat, I guess circumstances led to your likely first exit between the three of you. They have played many games before but I don't think we have enough to establish some form of cheating in this case. I can understand your suspicions and frustrations in this game but as far as this report, this is cleared.