Warned ConfederateSS [ka]

[iAmCaffeine]

So did caffine suicide into morley in final round. Why waste troups attacking a player who wont play again. Making it look like he was stronger. Caffine played a game and lost it.

I took two singles in that round as it was to my advantage. I can show snapshots to prove that.

In all honesty, I have no idea what you're attempting to base your argument on and no further information is being given to this report apart from the fact you clearly don't understand.

If any player in that game apart from macattacker won then yes, they would have won the tournament. However, as both I and Donelladan have explained, mac was clearly leading. ConfederateSS used that information to suicide into mac to ensure he lost, just so that I could not win the tournament.

Lol are my maths wrong. Or am i not seeing something.

30 × 8 = 240. Is that correct.
30 x 3 = 90 is that correct.

So there was no attacks for 30 rounds.
So 240 - 90 = 150 is that correct.

So i am guessing that since you are agreeing with donelladen caffine. 5 of you were on 3 troup deployment for 30 rounds loose 8 for 30 rounds. Then why do them sums add up to 150 more troups than any of you. But the game card only shows approximatly 40 troup difference. So people were attacking during them 30 rounds wernt they. So sorry caffine you are a lier and trying to treat people like noobs.

You can't even spell a fucking word when it's in front of your face. I haven't lied here. I don't even understand the point you're trying to make.

If Caff had kept his mouth shut. He would have won. HE WAS HOPING TO GET AN ACTION OUT OF SOMEBODY BY TALKING IN A FOG GAME CHAT... GUESS WHAT,IT BACK FIRED ON HIM.

So first I was gloating that I'd win the tournament, now I'm trying to make somebody take action in the game? Make your mind up. The best scenario for me was everyone to continue stacking > mac wins the game > I win the tournament.

So yes I'm glad he lost. He could have chose anyone to say in a fog game chat. Like unless Kid,Igota,Loose,wins. He chose Mac... Anyone else I wouldn't have cared. But it's not like mac played 3/4 games,then dropped out of the last 3. He dropped out of 3/4..Came back to take turns in 3 games,with no explanation. Thanks to game chat..blowing his cover. Leading in the 7th game. ANYONE else,or keep your mouth shut,YOU WIN..CASE CLOSED. You tried a talking tactic in a fog game chat. Chose to cheer for a deadbeat and went down with the ship....

I have already explained I tried no talking tactics whatsoever. I said mac because if I said anyone else it would have been a lie. The game log confirmed that mac was the strongest, unless people had made attacks without taking regions. Furthermore, if anyone else won the game they would've won the tournament.

You make zero sense. None, at all. If you want I'll even hire a JCB for you to keep digging the hole.

[eddie2]

Lol temper temper caffine. Go have a red bull top you up again. Or have you had one to many lol.8

as both i and donelladen have explained.

I know mac was leading. But you are also saying no attacks for 30 rounds.so it is obvious that confed threw the game to loose cannon. Because what you have said loose cannon would have 150 more troups than you. This means the figures dont work out. Don't it... Since donelladen was not in the game and you were, even in a position you could proberly see some of the tap downs happen. This makes you a lier confirming that no attacks for 30 rounds.

[iAmCaffeine]

Lol temper temper caffine. Go have a red bull top you up again. Or have you had one to many lol.8

as both i and donelladen have explained.

I know mac was leading. But you are also saying no attacks for 30 rounds.so it is obvious that confed threw the game to loose cannon. Because what you have said loose cannon would have 150 more troups than you. This means the figures dont work out. Don't it... Since donelladen was not in the game and you were, even in a position you could proberly see some of the tap downs happen. This makes you a lier confirming that no attacks for 30 rounds.

1. Both I and Donelladan explained something, that doesn't not mean we said the exact same words. Neither of us are wrong.

2. You should stop trying to make fact from fiction by pulling at loose cords.

3. My snapshots can show you exactly what I could see of the map and if deemed necessary I will provide them, but you can see yourself by looking at the game. I could see the following:

igotaished: 1 region
Kid Moe: 2 regions, 3 after my final turn
ConfederateSS: 0
Loose Canon: 1
morleyjoe: 5, previously 7 before I took 2 singles
macattacker: 0

I did not witness any "tap downs". If there were any, they would likely be between macattacker and Loose Canon and it's quite obvious that it would have been impossible for me to see them happen.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here. ConfederateSS said himself that he deliberately suicided into macattacker so that I would not win the tournament. I have no idea why you're disagreeing when the accused has pleaded guilty.

[king achilles]

Although we get the point that you hate to see deadbeaters get a win as you claim, the other reason also can't be ignored:

2015-10-20 11:55:23 - ConfederateSS: I don't care about rank/points. Deadbeaters are what burns me. I enjoyed every bite of screwing you out of the win.And mostly robbing BIG MOUTH..OF THE TOURNEY WIN.....

This still doesn't prohibit people from making attacks to whoever they want to in a game. Most of you have this set of thinking that just because you have the lead in a round limit game, and it's getting in the last round, the win is already assured. We all think that whoever who has no or little chance in winning making an attack on the leader should be punished. This is not always in black & white and we always need to evaluate the situation and take it from there. It is in the nature of the game to get attacked by an opponent. It happens. It's a game.

[ConfederateSS]

Although we get the point that you hate to see deadbeaters get a win as you claim, the other reason also can't be ignored:

2015-10-20 11:55:23 - ConfederateSS: I don't care about rank/points. Deadbeaters are what burns me. I enjoyed every bite of screwing you out of the win.And mostly robbing BIG MOUTH..OF THE TOURNEY WIN.....

This still doesn't prohibit people from making attacks to whoever they want to in a game. Most of you have this set of thinking that just because you have the lead in a round limit game, and it's getting in the last round, the win is already assured. We all think that whoever who has no or little chance in winning making an attack on the leader should be punished. This is not always in black & white and we always need to evaluate the situation and take it from there. It is in the nature of the game to get attacked by an opponent. It happens. It's a game.

-----I understand what your saying King.
-----If I may say one last thing. You can do what is justified.
-----What you posted was part of a chat between me and macattacker.
-----Now,when I had seen Caff's game chat. I hate fog chatters. before the game is over. I took a gamble on what he said to be true.(in C.C. rules on fog of war games..But feel free to find strategic applications of this non -rule.) But before I attacked mac..I attacked Loose. Believe me if it wasn't trench. I would have sent half my forces towards Loose....The other half towards mac. I had know idea of the outcome until the dust cleared. Loose turned out to have had the most troops.
------I wrote my version of GG. Logged on the next day. Caff had wrote something on my wall. I guess you can imagine the content. I erased it. Went to the game. Mac had wrote in game chat. Well you know our conversation. When I was writing about BIG MOUTH...There was a little extra mustard on it ,if you no what I mean. That's why I found what happened mostly enjoyable. Past the Fog Chat...Everything written after was after the fact. Of me finding my own strategic applications in dealing with table talkers.(Fog of War Games)...Mac agreed about deadbeaters. I think if he had the chance again. He would of explained his deadbeating before he continued in the round.
------I understand I might have over reacted in blasting a deadbeater and a table talker. But in my earlier GW tourney's. I would be battling a person. Where the others around me had people deadbeating. Getting easy wins. I guess you know how I must of felt when mac deadbeated and then started playing again. Caff talking about mac in fog...Don't worry I hear what your saying. I wasn't planning on ever playing in tourneys anymore anyway. After ...My run in RACE TO THE SEA is done...I find casual playing more fun...
-----Mac explained his actions. I respect Caff ,I have no sore feelings towards either of them. Thanks for listening King, ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[iAmCaffeine]

Although we get the point that you hate to see deadbeaters get a win as you claim, the other reason also can't be ignored:

2015-10-20 11:55:23 - ConfederateSS: I don't care about rank/points. Deadbeaters are what burns me. I enjoyed every bite of screwing you out of the win.And mostly robbing BIG MOUTH..OF THE TOURNEY WIN.....

This still doesn't prohibit people from making attacks to whoever they want to in a game. Most of you have this set of thinking that just because you have the lead in a round limit game, and it's getting in the last round, the win is already assured. We all think that whoever who has no or little chance in winning making an attack on the leader should be punished. This is not always in black & white and we always need to evaluate the situation and take it from there. It is in the nature of the game to get attacked by an opponent. It happens. It's a game.

You're wrong. I was not due to win the game, that is not the complaint.

The complaint is that ConfederateSS deliberately prevented macattacker from winning the game so that I would lose the tournament. If this tactic gained ConfederateSS anything in the tournament then it would be fair, but it did not. This is bullshit.

By setting this precedent, I can now join any tournament I like and suicide against the same player repeatedly so that they lose the tournament. The fact I also lose is apparently irrelevant.

Edit: I sent this PM to KA just now.

I'm urging you to strongly reconsider your decision on this. Perhaps the issue was lost in all the jargon posted in the thread.

ConfederateSS suicided into macattacker. This meant macattcker lost the game. That in itself is not the issue.

He did this to deliberately stop me from winning the tournament. ConfederateSS received no benefits from doing this. The game was the last in the tournament. ConfederateSS did not gain anything in the tournament by throwing the game; he even admitted himself he did this so that I could not win the tournament.

Since when is that allowed?

Previously, the precedent was set that this kind of tactic is allowed if it wins you the tournament/helps you advance etc.

Now, the precedent is set that you can do whatever you want to stop someone winning a tournament, even if you gain nothing from it either.

[eddie2]

Although we get the point that you hate to see deadbeaters get a win as you claim, the other reason also can't be ignored:

2015-10-20 11:55:23 - ConfederateSS: I don't care about rank/points. Deadbeaters are what burns me. I enjoyed every bite of screwing you out of the win.And mostly robbing BIG MOUTH..OF THE TOURNEY WIN.....

This still doesn't prohibit people from making attacks to whoever they want to in a game. Most of you have this set of thinking that just because you have the lead in a round limit game, and it's getting in the last round, the win is already assured. We all think that whoever who has no or little chance in winning making an attack on the leader should be punished. This is not always in black & white and we always need to evaluate the situation and take it from there. It is in the nature of the game to get attacked by an opponent. It happens. It's a game.

You're wrong. I was not due to win the game, that is not the complaint.

The complaint is that ConfederateSS deliberately prevented macattacker from winning the game so that I would lose the tournament. If this tactic gained ConfederateSS anything in the tournament then it would be fair, but it did not. This is bullshit.

By setting this precedent, I can now join any tournament I like and suicide against the same player repeatedly so that they lose the tournament. The fact I also lose is apparently irrelevant.

Edit: I sent this PM to KA just now.

I'm urging you to strongly reconsider your decision on this. Perhaps the issue was lost in all the jargon posted in the thread.

ConfederateSS suicided into macattacker. This meant macattcker lost the game. That in itself is not the issue.

He did this to deliberately stop me from winning the tournament. ConfederateSS received no benefits from doing this. The game was the last in the tournament. ConfederateSS did not gain anything in the tournament by throwing the game; he even admitted himself he did this so that I could not win the tournament.

Since when is that allowed?

Previously, the precedent was set that this kind of tactic is allowed if it wins you the tournament/helps you advance etc.

Now, the precedent is set that you can do whatever you want to stop someone winning a tournament, even if you gain nothing from it either.

Copied this lol caffine so you want a bigger punishment than you got. Pathetic.

Mac was the victim
Mac was ok
You were just a added bonus.
Your example in this post is a totally different circumstance.

[MagnusGreeol]

- OMG-

- The drama lama must be wicked thirsty,, This whole thread looks like a bunch of 5th graders arguing about who goes first in the game of kik ball,,He did this so I did that, and he called me poopy head so I threw a rock at him, then he told Miss Flanagan and she sent me to the principal's office, now I have to stay after school for a week because I threw a rock but Jimmy didn't get in trouble for calling me poopy head??

- Is it ever possible for everyone to try their hardest at being 2legit 2quit?

- Lets all leave the SD, throwing games and all the other stupid silly shit to the people who can get weeded out for not caring about CC,,All others who care stop doing stupid silly shit?

\MGM/ ♎

[iAmCaffeine]

Copied this lol caffine so you want a bigger punishment than you got. Pathetic.

Mac was the victim
Mac was ok
You were just a added bonus.
Your example in this post is a totally different circumstance.

You keep missing the key factor that ConfederateSS suicided in the game to prevent me from winning the tournament, with no gain of his own. That is the issue. How is it acceptable to deliberately prevent someone from winning a tournament unless it benefits you somehow?

[Dukasaur]

Copied this lol caffine so you want a bigger punishment than you got. Pathetic.

Mac was the victim
Mac was ok
You were just a added bonus.
Your example in this post is a totally different circumstance.

You keep missing the key factor that ConfederateSS suicided in the game to prevent me from winning the tournament, with no gain of his own. That is the issue. How is it acceptable to deliberately prevent someone from winning a tournament unless it benefits you somehow?

+1

[eddie2]

Copied this lol caffine so you want a bigger punishment than you got. Pathetic.

Mac was the victim
Mac was ok
You were just a added bonus.
Your example in this post is a totally different circumstance.

You keep missing the key factor that ConfederateSS suicided in the game to prevent me from winning the tournament, with no gain of his own. That is the issue. How is it acceptable to deliberately prevent someone from winning a tournament unless it benefits you somehow?

+1

-1

He made a post more than 12 hours after the game. I am 100 percent. Sure caffine walled him giving him crap for doing it. This winding confed up. Hence the big mouth comment. But what will be will be.

And caffine wheres the 5 examples you scream about so much. Even if this was intentional towards you it was one mad moment that noted would cover lol.

[iAmCaffeine]

I never mentioned anything about five examples; someone else did. Like I said, keep clutching at string mate. The key point here is repeatedly being ignored. This is not a case of throwing a game. It is a case of deliberately stopping someone from winning a tournament with no benefit for the accused. That is all. Below is a quote I received via PM which helps explain.

Can't tell if they just can't read, or don't know what they're talking about .. but it's so frustrating that they just can't seem to understand what they're ruling on or the precedents they're setting. No reasoning or forethought at all.

Also Eddie, ConfederateSS clearly stated the "big mouth" statement came about because of my comments in the game. You're literally just writing fiction.

[owenshooter]

ummmmm... soooooo... let me get this straight... you set a precedent about a player not gaining an advantage by their move, that is a violation... but... then you say in the very next thread that people can attack whomever they want, regardless of the outcome of the game/tournament? huh?!! literally, what the f*ck are you guys doing? you have just made two entirely contradictory rulings about the same exact situation... one was NOTED, because he didn't secure his advancement, it just gave him a better chance at it. the other was NOTED, because, although also in a tournament, he purposefully prevented someone from winning the game, which did nothing for his situation in the tournament. HUH?!! WHAT?!!! WHAT THE f*ck ARE YOU SAYING/DOING?!! in usual CC style, nobody will come back in here and explain this dog shit ruling, because it makes ZERO sense when you look at the two complaints side by side. i said you were setting a very dangerous precedent with that first ruling.. and now, the chickens have come home to roost and you don't have the balls to do something about it. if you said, "hey, it's an auto tournament and we can't rectify the wrong, but the dude is warned and it was wrong, awesome... you guys chicken shitted your way from under that GREAT precedent you had just set and acted as if it never existed.. i just don't get it...-Jésus noir

[iAmCaffeine]

Owen, it's not even just that ConfederateSS purposely prevented someone from winning the game, he purposely prevented me from winning the entire tournament, whilst gaining nothing.

[owenshooter]

Owen, it's not even just that ConfederateSS purposely prevented someone from winning the game, he purposely prevented me from winning the entire tournament, whilst gaining nothing.

yeah, i get that... after the prior precedent was set, i don't see how this can even be a rational decision... WOW!

[owenshooter]

sooooo, how do we go from THIS:

Subject: iAmCaffeine

p.s.-eagerly awaiting the NEW precedent this wholly original complaint sets!!

After discussion we have decided this is actually original and different from the other tournament advancement precedents.

Iamcaffeine has suicided on the hope that he (or she) may advance, not to guarantee he would advance.

Given that this is different to the other previous cases and that we have no guarantee that the action of caff would see him advance, This case is NOTED

TO THIS?

Although we get the point that you hate to see deadbeaters get a win as you claim, the other reason also can't be ignored:

2015-10-20 11:55:23 - ConfederateSS: I don't care about rank/points. Deadbeaters are what burns me. I enjoyed every bite of screwing you out of the win.And mostly robbing BIG MOUTH..OF THE TOURNEY WIN.....

This still doesn't prohibit people from making attacks to whoever they want to in a game. Most of you have this set of thinking that just because you have the lead in a round limit game, and it's getting in the last round, the win is already assured. We all think that whoever who has no or little chance in winning making an attack on the leader should be punished. This is not always in black & white and we always need to evaluate the situation and take it from there. It is in the nature of the game to get attacked by an opponent. It happens. It's a game.

Did King A not realize it was a tournament game and THUS should have been held to the same standard as the NEW PRECEDENT set earlier this week, concerning these same actions in another tournament game? i am really confused. not being a dick, just don't understand how it is possible that in ONE instance, it matters that it is a tournament. in the the next, it is about ROUND LIMITS. can someone explain?-Jésus noir

p.s.-not yelling, just popping that with bold so it doesn't get lost in the jumble of quotes!!!

[iAmCaffeine]

Owen, be patient. Things are under consideration, so fanning the flame here won't help.

[iAmCaffeine]

Thank you for re-evaluating.

[owenshooter]

Owen, be patient. Things are under consideration, so fanning the flame here won't help.

i apologize, it was moved to the CLOSED section... my bad...-Jésus noir

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm glad a more satisfying and just conclusion has been reached, yet the bitter taste still remains. The spiteful actions of some completely prick-like behaviour cost me a tournament win medal, fourth place in The Great War, tokens and stars. There is no compensation for that, apparently.

[eddie2]

So you managed to bully another player into proberly leaving the site. Bully mods into making a ok result (noted dont really count for much) into a bad result. What have you managed to do now make tourneys a thing people are going to stay away from.

On another note. I am about to go into a mini flockton final you have won 4 of 4 going into it. Making you the most dangerous player. Guess who i will be hitting all game lol. Wanna report me before the final starts. Will also be highlighting it in game chat so others do the same

[iAmCaffeine]

=D>
So you managed to bully another player into proberly leaving the site. Bully mods into making a ok result (noted dont really count for much) into a bad result. What have you managed to do now make tourneys a thing people are going to stay away from.

On another note. I am about to go into a mini flockton final you have won 4 of 4 going into it. Making you the most dangerous player. Guess who i will be hitting all game lol. Wanna report me before the final starts. Will also be highlighting it in game chat so others do the same

I haven't bullied anyone. How is suiciding a game to deliberately prevent another player from winning a tournament acceptable? Take your personal view out of it and look at the issue objectively. This will not make people stay away from tournaments, this should encourage tournament activity so that people know if someone deliberately fucks them out of a tournament win, it will be punished.

If the issue was just throwing a game then this report wouldn't exist. I see little point in beating a dead horse within a closed report, but if you wish to discuss this further send me a PM. If I'd done this to ConfederateSS, stopped him winning a tournament deliberately and gained nothing myself, who's side would you be taking?

The be all and end all of this is deliberately preventing someone from winning a tournament with no personal gain. It's not hard to comprehend.

Without checking I believe I'm 4/5 in that tournament, I lost a game. Feel free to target me, assuming it benefits you in the tournament. If you suicide into me in every game, therefore ruining the tournament for both you and I, expect another report. You need to win your last game to get into the final as well.

[owenshooter]

=D>
So you managed to bully another player into proberly leaving the site. Bully mods into making a ok result (noted dont really count for much) into a bad result. What have you managed to do now make tourneys a thing people are going to stay away from.

there is a point when you have to realize yourself, that you are talking absolute bullshit for no purpose other than your personal agendas against other players. so, now King A was bullied? he obviously made the ruling not realizing it was the deciding match of a TOURNAMENT. a few days prior they made a decision noting IamCaffeine and you thought that was wonderful!!! make up your mind. you are can't play both sides on this. i looked at it as if i didn't know either player. and as usual, I WAS CORRECT. just took King A a little longer to get to the same result.

you are not making any sense and should just really step away from the keyboard, you are looking like this is 100% personal for you...-Jésus noir

[eddie2]

Owen i didnt agree with caffines noted. Where did i say i did. I never have. I have always defended people reported for moves in tourneys.

The thing i dont like in this case is the fact caffines making it all about him. This case is simple.

Caffine posted mac was going to win game confed didnt want mac to win, confed suicided mac. Mac was ok with it.(if mac wasnt its a case)15 hours after it he posted big mouth towards caffine.

Now you need to prove confeds intention. He stated from the start that his intention was not to let mac win. Caffine was just a added bonus (due to him telling everyone mac was going to win) confed has said if caffine had said any other players name but mac., he would not of made the move. This again proving his intent was not to rob caffine of the tourney it was to prevent mac from winning the game.

Thing i dont understand is last round trench game why does someone who is winning leave a stack next to a stack lol. Why not fort the stack away from danger.

So now the precident has been set that if a player makes a bad move against another player and they are ok with it. then the next player wins. The 4th 5th or 6th player can say intentional suicide. I can now see the floodgates open for pathetic reports.

I also believe caffine would not of reported this if he was cleared in the other case. Also both these cases have not followed proper protocal for reporting them. Tourney organiser first then tourney mod last c and a report. Auto tourneys obviously you skip to the tourney mod first.

[owenshooter]

Owen i didnt agree with caffines noted. Where did i say i did. I never have. I have always defended people reported for moves in tourneys.

The thing i dont like in this case is the fact caffines making it all about him. This case is simple.

Caffine posted mac was going to win game confed didnt want mac to win, confed suicided mac. Mac was ok with it.(if mac wasnt its a case)15 hours after it he posted big mouth towards caffine.

Now you need to prove confeds intention. He stated from the start that his intention was not to let mac win. Caffine was just a added bonus (due to him telling everyone mac was going to win) confed has said if caffine had said any other players name but mac., he would not of made the move. This again proving his intent was not to rob caffine of the tourney it was to prevent mac from winning the game.

Thing i dont understand is last round trench game why does someone who is winning leave a stack next to a stack lol. Why not fort the stack away from danger.

So now the precident has been set that if a player makes a bad move against another player and they are ok with it. then the next player wins. The 4th 5th or 6th player can say intentional suicide. I can now see the floodgates open for pathetic reports.

I also believe caffine would not of reported this if he was cleared in the other case. Also both these cases have not followed proper protocal for reporting them. Tourney organiser first then tourney mod last c and a report. Auto tourneys obviously you skip to the tourney mod first.

first of all, it is PRECEDENT... second of all, it was because this was a tournament game and they set a precedent that if your move didn't guarantee you to advance / win the tournament, it was a gaming violation. which i felt was a mistake. i'd call it poor sportsmanship, but CC opened that door. so, the fact that a move was made to guarantee someone didn't win, without guaranteeing themselves a win in the tournament, they violated this few days old PRECEDENT that CC has just set. i think the precedent is a mistake. the next step is, WHY DOES A TOURNAMENT GAME MATTER MORE THAN A NON TOURNAMENT GAME?! and WHY CAN THEY DO THAT IN CERTAIN GAMES, BUT NOT IN THESE GAMES? they opened up a genie bottle and now every freaking complaint over game play is going to have to be dealt with... the days of FOE AND MOVE ON and SUCK IT UP CUPCAKE are over... CC did it to themselves.... that precedent was a mistake...-Jésus noir

p.s.-apologize for misunderstanding your tone/posts...