kallysdead / spamming - harassment [ka]

by **Dukasaur** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:07 pm

Spamming can be a serious problem.

It isn't always, but it can be.

Given the sheer volume of the spamming involved, I would tend to take this seriously.

by **owenshooter** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:13 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Spamming can be a serious problem.

It isn't always, but it can be.

Given the sheer volume of the spamming involved, I would tend to take this seriously.

that's awesome, because the chat mod i reported this to today, absolutely blew me off... razo sent me a pm concerning my complaint the prior day, he is shaping up to be a good one, his team is left wanton (at times)... if i were to go into global chat and do the things he did, i'd be gone for at least a week, more than likely multiple months... the fact that people are turning this into their own little personal owen vendetta thread is laughable. the evidence is there. period...-Jésus noir

p.s.-don't want this post to get lost in the shuffle:

iAmCaffeine wrote:What the actual f*ck?! This is a C&A report and near enough nobody here is adding to the discussion. Everyone accuses Owen of trolling whilst trolling and baiting in this thread; you're absolute hypocrites.

If anyone strongly feels a case should be made against Owen then open a C&A thread or file an e-ticket. Those are the procedures and they're designed to be used. What good does jumping onto a bandwagon in a report made by someone else do? Nothing.

The thing with Owen is his mannerism. He can be abrasive, annoying and insulting but he maintains all of his actions within the rules. On the rare occasion he didn't, he was punished accordingly. He's also received warnings/bans for zero infractions, but that was in more corrupt days. I believe a few people were on the receiving end of wrongful bans during those times, but now I'm on a tangent.

Regardless, make your own thread. I'm not here to defend Owen, simply state the facts and point out hypocrisy where I see it. The two of us don't always see things from the same perspective just like anyone else here. If you even knew the guy before talking shit you'd realise he isn't being serious half the time.

People are fucking dumb.

by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:14 pm

Still trolling....

by **owenshooter** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:20 pm

ariskocrat wrote:Still trolling....

see, that isn't trolling. that is having a conversation. now, can you please explain away the spamming of my wall, the "go kill yourself" comments, the flaming/trolling/harassment in global chat, as well? still waiting for that. hasn't happened. the evidence is up there. he did what he is accused of doing. and not just to me, but to multiple members.-Jésus noir

by **TheForgivenOne** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:34 pm

ariskocrat wrote:Still trolling....

Take it to another thread. You're going to end up getting a warning yourself for attempting to derail this one.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:36 pm

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by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:39 pm

I am providing context for Kallysdead's responses. The level of trolling and inappropriate behavior by one party must mitigate the behavior of the other, though not completely excuse it.

I believe it is highly relevant to the current report, but will refrain from making such posts if told so by a moderator. It's not my intention to de-rail, but to provide context.

by **owenshooter** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:44 pm

ariskocrat wrote:I am providing context for Kallysdead's responses. The level of trolling and inappropriate behavior by one party must mitigate the behavior of the other, though not completely excuse it.

I believe it is highly relevant to the current report, but will refrain from making such posts if told so by a moderator. It's not my intention to de-rail, but to provide context.

really, because kally was not provoked into telling me to kill myself, which is literally internet bullying (and i'm sure you can pull the cases/precedent for that one)... kally was not provoked into divulging to everyone about his suicide attempt. kally was not provoked into spamming my wall, flaming me, harassing me and sending me multiple pm's... so, you already started your little "ban owen" thread, please stop trying to derail this one. your personal agenda is not the purpose of this thread, you already started one for that one. please refrain from posting unless you have anything of substance to add.-Jn

by **TheForgivenOne** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:44 pm

ariskocrat wrote:Still trolling....

This, is not context. This is you trying to prove owen is spamming/trolling. This is not what the report is about. This is about kallysdead is spamming.

by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:55 pm

If something is off-topic, continually posting about it is off-topic. So, either my point that context is important is true, and your posts are wrong. Or, you are off-topic yourself in commenting on my off-topic comments. Either way, your arguments are wrong or equally inappropriate
On Off Topic Forum Posts
"Whether or not your post is the first to take a forum topic off topic is irrelevant: Off topic is off topic."

Further:
"•If the main point of your post is about something other than what the OP intended, it's not on topic, even if you did post about how you agree with the OP.
•Yes, you can joke around in a forum topic, but keep it on the topic originally intended by the OP"

The topic of this thread is Kallysdead's C&A abuses. The "victim's" side of the conversation must be important for context, whether or not the transgressor was in the wrong.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:10 pm

ariskocrat wrote:If something is off-topic, continually posting about it is off-topic.

Wrong.

by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:17 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:
ariskocrat wrote:If something is off-topic, continually posting about it is off-topic.

Wrong.

As per CC Community Guidelines

by **iAmCaffeine** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:18 pm

You do realise that's different to what you said?

According to you, if I make a post about another post being off topic and state something along the lines of "less of this, more on topic comments please" and then continue on the topic; that's still off topic. Nice logic.

Regardless, this thread has been de-railed since the first cute kid with a crush on Owen jumped in. Let the mods do their work.

by **owenshooter** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:20 pm

ariskocrat wrote:The topic of this thread is Kallysdead's C&A abuses. The "victim's" side of the conversation must be important for context, whether or not the transgressor was in the wrong.

you weren't present. you did not witness what kallysdead did. you are making assumptions. you are trying to derail this thread. you already started a spurious report concerning me, so please let this thread stay on topic.-Jn

by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:27 pm

I was present at various times throughout the past 24-30 hours. Definitely not all of it, but far more than my infrequent posting would suggest. Presence does not require posting and I saw plenty of conduct was not unimpeachable, regardless of Kallysdead's improper conduct. Just more dishonesty and untruths from you.

That's all I have to say, unless I have to further retort more dishonesty or misleading statements.

by **owenshooter** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:46 pm

ariskocrat wrote:blah, blah, blah...

still waiting for you to defend his telling me to kill myself (which is legally bullying and against the law, you should know this. Kallysdead accused others of doing exactly what he did to me)... still waiting for you to defend his spamming of my wall... still waiting for you to defend his flaming of myself and multiple other members... still waiting for you to defend the spamming he conducted over 2 days in global chat... oh, you can't... that is right, it is all my fault... BTBT, that is what we do around here... someone is breaking the rules and owen is involved, must be owen. the chat mod on duty had the same attitude you did and let it all get to the point we are at now. the rules are the rules and he broke them. he crossed the line by telling me to kill myself and again by starting up in global chat today without any provocation. posting "monster" on my wall for no reason was just the start of his day... please, continue to defend him by attempting to tarnish me. you are obviously a lawyer, wonderful tactics you learned in school... enjoy your spurious thread you started about me and stay out of this one. you are just trying to derail it.-Jésus noir

by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:03 pm

I am not trying to derail it. Your ad hominem attacks against me are less relevant than my pointing out that you are not a blameless victim. I have also offered that he acted improperly and that his comments are not completely excusable. I stand by my main point that context for his actions are important, despite whether they are violations or not on their own.

Your inflammatory personal attacks are sad. And your attempts to paint a straw man argument that I said "it is all [your] fault" are, again, extremely dishonest. I do not seek to justify his actions, but mitigate the response to his actions. Notice my use of mitigate throughout the thread, which internally admits the presence of an offense or mistake.

by **ariskocrat** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:39 pm

There is also precedent that continued messaging and contact may mitigate the punishment for someone otherwise guilty of PM abuse and/or spamming.

by **khazalid** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:22 pm

kallysdead = massive troll and serial attention seeker.

perhaps a working 'foe' function for global would be useful.

by **king achilles** on Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:56 pm

kallysdead has been contacted to stop communicating with Owen or to put him on his Foe list. I suggest that you do the same Owen, so as to prevent him from posting at your wall. If not, you people should ignore each other. This looks to have come from Global chat where certain things were said and it escalated to something personal. It looks like you got into each other's nerves but now it's time to move on and ignore each other. If you happen to be in Global chat at the same time again, it is up to either of you on how to deal with it. Oh, and let's not get into the "he started it" argument. Feel free to contact me should one of you insist on instigating and persist with this useless conflict.