Closed btown80 - intentional deadbeating [ka]

[IcePack]

Isn't DB trench games common place now? I thought that's why people had lower turn % and what not, and was / is widely practiced? Or was that speed trench only?

Icepack think it's done more in speed games. Because if casual games and you have a freemium player in it, would it not also bring up a offense of holding hostage, as it would make it a minimum of 72 hours until the game is over. Preventing them from joining another game?

Generally speaking I think 72 hr would be quicker than playing it out on most mid-large size maps

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

That's quite possible the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So the police should be ticketing themselves then?

If they drive above the speed limit without using their siren and lights they are also breaking the law.

If you ever work in roadworks and are less than a metre away from cars doing 70 when they should be doing 50 you'll understand just how scary it is. Dont break the law.

Do you really think people put effort into making the speed limit lower than it needs to be just to piss you off? Thats quite possibly the dumbest thing ever.

[Serbia]

WingCmdr, you're trying to have an adult conversation with a child, and it's going as expected. The C&A mods (if they ever visit this forum anymore) need to just sort this out.

Bollocks.

[btown80]

Can you tell the difference between someone passing you at 50 and someone passing you at 51? By your definition, someone going 51 is just as guilty as someone going 70, and I stand by my statement, that's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[eddie2]

Isn't DB trench games common place now? I thought that's why people had lower turn % and what not, and was / is widely practiced? Or was that speed trench only?

Icepack think it's done more in speed games. Because if casual games and you have a freemium player in it, would it not also bring up a offense of holding hostage, as it would make it a minimum of 72 hours until the game is over. Preventing them from joining another game?

Generally speaking I think 72 hr would be quicker than playing it out on most mid-large size maps

Yep agreed. But this also brings in the problem, that if they play average 5 or 6 shots daily and there is only 5 or 10 shots left to end the game. Then the deadbeat extends the game overall. This is why many asked for a forfeit button, but refused because it would be abused. In this case the offender has done what many do. Post about d/beating the game, if the other player walls you and asks you to play it out. Then you do it. If they don't then you deadbeat. We all play for fun and don't really want to spend 20/30 minutes in a speed game that is over with no way to come back.

[Donelladan]

Generally speaking I think 72 hr would be quicker than playing it out on most mid-large size maps

Well a case happened few weeks ago of someone deadbeating on USA 2.1 which is a very large size map. I tried to argued it might have been faster to deadbeat but he was sanctionned for intentional deadbeating anyway. It was a sequential game of course.

its laughable that you (and don and caffeine) are comparing regular trench players to Jacobsgold. Nothing he did was normal. Don came up with this list of games for me, all where I played out the game to the point where I had exhausted all my resources and had zero chance. Then I announced I was deadbeating, said Gg and moved on. One game I was pissed and didn't announce but the game was still lost. Jacobsgold deadbeats everything. 1st, 2nd, 3rd round, 2player, 3 player,makes no difference. He says nothing and just leaves. If you can't see the difference then I feel sorry for you.

So this is off-topic and I hope the mod will focus on my first post exclusively, but I will respond to you btown80.
1st, I am not jacobsgold buddy at all, I am just simply a regular trench speed player which is concerned with the consequence of the ruling in jacobsgold case, because just like you I think we should be allowed to deadbeat trench speed game at a certain point.

First you say I am comparing regular trench players to jacobsgold, so I would like you to take a second to look at jacobsgold games.
jacobsgold played 8412 games on CC. Among those 8412, 5164 were speed trench games, which, I already told you two times at least in the other thread, explained the 84% attendance of jacobsgold. Not the fact, imaginary, that he would be deadbeating everything.

Now let me go to this 2nd part. You said :

jacobsgold deadbeats everything. 1st, 2nd, 3rd round, 2player, 3 player,makes no difference. He says nothing and just leaves.

This is not true, or rather inaccurate.
It happened, a few times, that he deadbeated a 3 players games. But this was, in the games I checked at least, either only 2 players remaining, or obviously because he lost connection. Because yes it happens. It happened to me as well, so if you are saying people losing connection in a multiplayer speed game should get 1 month ban we have a real problem. Does it happen more often to jacobsgold than to me or to you ? Yes definitely, but you know why, because 90% of the game jacobsgold play are speed games. So of couse when you only play speed game, it happens more often to you that you deadbeat them.
Now if we go on the overall of jacobsgold games, he does NOT deadbeat multiplayer game often.
Same go the example in which you would like jacobsgold to deadbeat 1st turn.
Jacobsgold is a lieutenant, which 40% win rate. If he was deadbeating as you said he would never have such a score nor such a win rate.
There has been people deadbeating 1st round to lose points, I am telling you they are cook in a hour, not lieutenant.

So the problem is, everything you claim is actually wrong. Jacobsgold does NOT deadbeat 1st round on a regular basis, and he does NOT deadbeat multiplayer game on a regular basis often.

What is true about jacobsgold is that he often has 4 speed game waiting at the same time, and it did happen, that for some reason he left computer or lost connection, and people joined his game, and he deadbeated them 1st turn. But this is a relatively rare occasion.
And the same thing actually did happened to me, and probably happened to every regular speed players.

Another thing that happens often is the pop up no working, and you miss 2 first turn, then noticed your game start, then sometimes you just miss the 3rd because game already lost anyway.

All there things are the reality of why you can find example of jacobsgold deadbeating some games round 1.
Because please, tell me what interest there is for him to deadbeat a game round 1 ? Again, lieutenant,40% win, I am telling you he is playing to win.

If I am defending him it's because I have played him a couple of time, 16 times to be precise, and he did not deadbeat any of these games. So I know what you are saying, and what you think is wrong.

Now in the thread you accused him of deadbeating, you didn't argument with any of these games in which he miss round 1, or multiplayer he deadbeated. You simply referred to one game against you in which he deadbeated round 8. Maybe the game wasn't over at all, and if it is the case as you claim, then I think he might have deadbeated because of real life issue or connection problem and not at all to annoy you. And therefore you just got an innocent judged guilty.
I did check his speed game, he didn't play any other speed at the same time he was playing that one game against you, or if he did I didn't find any. So I do think he didn't deadbeat the game against you intentionally.

One thing that annoys me a lot, is that you claim he deadbeated round 5 in your OP in the other game, and said it was extraordinary early, while in reality he deadbeated round 8, and you deadbeated at same point in a game with the same setting.

Please note, I would never have opened this one against you if you haven't been such annoying responding to me in the jacobsgold one. I don't know what you felt the need to come reply while I was asking the mod some questions about it and the case was already closed.

[btown80]

Generally speaking I think 72 hr would be quicker than playing it out on most mid-large size maps

Well a case happened few weeks ago of someone deadbeating on USA 2.1 which is a very large size map. I tried to argued it might have been faster to deadbeat but he was sanctionned for intentional deadbeating anyway. It was a sequential game of course.

its laughable that you (and don and caffeine) are comparing regular trench players to Jacobsgold. Nothing he did was normal. Don came up with this list of games for me, all where I played out the game to the point where I had exhausted all my resources and had zero chance. Then I announced I was deadbeating, said Gg and moved on. One game I was pissed and didn't announce but the game was still lost. Jacobsgold deadbeats everything. 1st, 2nd, 3rd round, 2player, 3 player,makes no difference. He says nothing and just leaves. If you can't see the difference then I feel sorry for you.

So this is off-topic and I hope the mod will focus on my first post exclusively, but I will respond to you btown80.
1st, I am not jacobsgold buddy at all, I am just simply a regular trench speed player which is concerned with the consequence of the ruling in jacobsgold case, because just like you I think we should be allowed to deadbeat trench speed game at a certain point.

First you say I am comparing regular trench players to jacobsgold, so I would like you to take a second to look at jacobsgold games.
jacobsgold played 8412 games on CC. Among those 8412, 5164 were speed trench games, which, I already told you two times at least in the other thread, explained the 84% attendance of jacobsgold. Not the fact, imaginary, that he would be deadbeating everything.

Now let me go to this 2nd part. You said :

jacobsgold deadbeats everything. 1st, 2nd, 3rd round, 2player, 3 player,makes no difference. He says nothing and just leaves.

This is not true, or rather inaccurate.
It happened, a few times, that he deadbeated a 3 players games. But this was, in the games I checked at least, either only 2 players remaining, or obviously because he lost connection. Because yes it happens. It happened to me as well, so if you are saying people losing connection in a multiplayer speed game should get 1 month ban we have a real problem. Does it happen more often to jacobsgold than to me or to you ? Yes definitely, but you know why, because 90% of the game jacobsgold play are speed games. So of couse when you only play speed game, it happens more often to you that you deadbeat them.
Now if we go on the overall of jacobsgold games, he does NOT deadbeat multiplayer game often.
Same go the example in which you would like jacobsgold to deadbeat 1st turn.
Jacobsgold is a lieutenant, which 40% win rate. If he was deadbeating as you said he would never have such a score nor such a win rate.
There has been people deadbeating 1st round to lose points, I am telling you they are cook in a hour, not lieutenant.

So the problem is, everything you claim is actually wrong. Jacobsgold does NOT deadbeat 1st round on a regular basis, and he does NOT deadbeat multiplayer game on a regular basis often.

What is true about jacobsgold is that he often has 4 speed game waiting at the same time, and it did happen, that for some reason he left computer or lost connection, and people joined his game, and he deadbeated them 1st turn. But this is a relatively rare occasion.
And the same thing actually did happened to me, and probably happened to every regular speed players.

Another thing that happens often is the pop up no working, and you miss 2 first turn, then noticed your game start, then sometimes you just miss the 3rd because game already lost anyway.

All there things are the reality of why you can find example of jacobsgold deadbeating some games round 1.
Because please, tell me what interest there is for him to deadbeat a game round 1 ? Again, lieutenant,40% win, I am telling you he is playing to win.

If I am defending him it's because I have played him a couple of time, 16 times to be precise, and he did not deadbeat any of these games. So I know what you are saying, and what you think is wrong.

Now in the thread you accused him of deadbeating, you didn't argument with any of these games in which he miss round 1, or multiplayer he deadbeated. You simply referred to one game against you in which he deadbeated round 8. Maybe the game wasn't over at all, and if it is the case as you claim, then I think he might have deadbeated because of real life issue or connection problem and not at all to annoy you. And therefore you just got an innocent judged guilty.
I did check his speed game, he didn't play any other speed at the same time he was playing that one game against you, or if he did I didn't find any. So I do think he didn't deadbeat the game against you intentionally.

One thing that annoys me a lot, is that you claim he deadbeated round 5 in your OP in the other game, and said it was extraordinary early, while in reality he deadbeated round 8, and you deadbeated at same point in a game with the same setting.

Please note, I would never have opened this one against you if you haven't been such annoying responding to me in the jacobsgold one. I don't know what you felt the need to come reply while I was asking the mod some questions about it and the case was already closed.

So you admit that this thread is retaliatory?

The reason I started a thread against JG was not solely because of his game against me. Please note though, that the game linked ended in Round 8 so he started deadbeating round 5, thus my statement, he deadbeated in round 5. I don't believe there should be any penalty against players who play trench, and when the game is out of reach, they say good game and essentially forfeit the match. Going through your games is a great example of that. There is no abusing the system, no intentional deadbeating in my eyes. When I searched through JG's games, within the first 20, I found 10 examples of him deadbeating in round 2, or not even playing a turn, and one where he deadbeated a 3 person game, costing Betiko the win. Then I went to his wall, and his ratings, constant complaints of deadbeat, therefore I opened the thread.

[btown80]

And also, my intentions were not to annoy, simply to explain since the mods would not respond since the thread was closed. I apologize if I was over the top in my responses.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Can you tell the difference between someone passing you at 50 and someone passing you at 51? By your definition, someone going 51 is just as guilty as someone going 70, and I stand by my statement, that's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

You can tell the difference between those who are trying to keep to the speed limit and those who arent.

I agree Serbia, but others will read this too, and you never know he might listen. Or he might break down on the road and shit himself when a lorry rams his car because roads arent safe places.

[iAmCaffeine]

Isn't DB trench games common place now? I thought that's why people had lower turn % and what not, and was / is widely practiced? Or was that speed trench only?

It is common place, when the game is in hand, the losing side deadbeat to save time. Don, caffeine, and Serbia are all upset that their friend got a month ban for deadbeating every game, so they opened this thread as retaliation against me. It's quite childish and pathetic.

Friend? I don't even know the guy, I just think you're a pretentious hypocrite for reporting someone who deadbeats speed trench games when we all do it, including yourself. I too would be a hypocrite for reporting someone of the same thing. Likely anyone who regularly plays trench games does. If he has a bad internet connection then tough luck to him, it's at his cost because he wants to play, unlike someone who starts numerous games with the intention of quitting.

[btown80]

Isn't DB trench games common place now? I thought that's why people had lower turn % and what not, and was / is widely practiced? Or was that speed trench only?

It is common place, when the game is in hand, the losing side deadbeat to save time. Don, caffeine, and Serbia are all upset that their friend got a month ban for deadbeating every game, so they opened this thread as retaliation against me. It's quite childish and pathetic.

Friend? I don't even know the guy, I just think you're a pretentious hypocrite for reporting someone who deadbeats speed trench games when we all do it, including yourself. I too would be a hypocrite for reporting someone of the same thing. Likely anyone who regularly plays trench games does. If he has a bad internet connection then tough luck to him, it's at his cost because he wants to play, unlike someone who starts numerous games with the intention of quitting.

Well that's a change of tune caffeine :

Didn't even see that, thanks. Previously warned, still deadbeating. What's the next step, 1 month vacation?

I believe so. It won't be long before a mod closes this upr.

You originally agreed that a 30 day ban was in order. Funny how things change when certain people may not agree with you.

[Serbia]

I don't see where caff says that the guy shouldn't be banned? I just see him calling you "a pretentious hypocrite" for reporting him.

Bollocks.

[Donelladan]

So you admit that this thread is retaliatory?

The reason I started a thread against JG was not solely because of his game against me. Please note though, that the game linked ended in Round 8 so he started deadbeating round 5, thus my statement, he deadbeated in round 5. I don't believe there should be any penalty against players who play trench, and when the game is out of reach, they say good game and essentially forfeit the match. Going through your games is a great example of that. There is no abusing the system, no intentional deadbeating in my eyes. When I searched through JG's games, within the first 20, I found 10 examples of him deadbeating in round 2, or not even playing a turn, and one where he deadbeated a 3 person game, costing Betiko the win. Then I went to his wall, and his ratings, constant complaints of deadbeat, therefore I opened the thread.

Game 15799117
That is the game you linked in the first post of your complaint. Please check again.

And yes I admit I made this report only because you made one against jacobsgold, but everyone is aware of that so I have no problem admittig the obvious.

And, fact is, I still think you are 100% wrong on jacobsgold. He doesn't deadbeat as often as you think he does, otherwise, as said in my previous post, he'd never be a lieutenant with 40% win, he'll be lower. If he ever deadbeat a game round 1, it wasn't willingly, because no one does that, except point dumping, but then we speak about cooks.

I may agree with you, he may sometimes deadbeat without saying a word, but when you played more than 5000 trench game, it probably became such a usual thing to deadbeat them when lost that you don't care. And you like me are also guilty of that times to time when pissed off

My point isn't especially against you, it's more against CC not giving us a surrender button and forcing us to deadbeat then punishing us for it ...( you just happen to make a report for it, and I disagree with it).

My point is, everyone is guilty of intentional deadbeating, and I still think you deserve the warning if they don't remove the ban off jacobsgold.

[btown80]

So you admit that this thread is retaliatory?

The reason I started a thread against JG was not solely because of his game against me. Please note though, that the game linked ended in Round 8 so he started deadbeating round 5, thus my statement, he deadbeated in round 5. I don't believe there should be any penalty against players who play trench, and when the game is out of reach, they say good game and essentially forfeit the match. Going through your games is a great example of that. There is no abusing the system, no intentional deadbeating in my eyes. When I searched through JG's games, within the first 20, I found 10 examples of him deadbeating in round 2, or not even playing a turn, and one where he deadbeated a 3 person game, costing Betiko the win. Then I went to his wall, and his ratings, constant complaints of deadbeat, therefore I opened the thread.

Game 15799117
That is the game you linked in the first post of your complaint. Please check again.

And yes I admit I made this report only because you made one against jacobsgold, but everyone is aware of that so I have no problem admittig the obvious.

And, fact is, I still think you are 100% wrong on jacobsgold. He doesn't deadbeat as often as you think he does, otherwise, as said in my previous post, he'd never be a lieutenant with 40% win, he'll be lower. If he ever deadbeat a game round 1, it wasn't willingly, because no one does that, except point dumping, but then we speak about cooks.

I may agree with you, he may sometimes deadbeat without saying a word, but when you played more than 5000 trench game, it probably became such a usual thing to deadbeat them when lost that you don't care. And you like me are also guilty of that times to time when pissed off

My point isn't especially against you, it's more against CC not giving us a surrender button and forcing us to deadbeat then punishing us for it ...( you just happen to make a report for it, and I disagree with it).

My point is, everyone is guilty of intentional deadbeating, and I still think you deserve the warning if they don't remove the ban off jacobsgold.

I agree with a lot of your points and if a surrender button was instituted for trench games it would save a lot of hassle, but that also opens the door if there is a 3rd person involved, he may need the person who is going to surrender to keep fighting in order to have a chance. So maybe restrict the surrender button to 2 player trench games only.

i went back and looked, and you are right, it was in the 8th round he started D/Bing. I apologize for the confusion. I still stand by my statement that he is still the worst Deadbeating player I've ever come across, and Obviously (based on his ratings and wall comments) I'm not alone.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

haha, have you looked at your rating recently?

[btown80]

haha, have you looked at your rating recently?

Wing do you have a point to make in relation to the thread or are you just here to comment for the hell of it?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

haha, have you looked at your rating recently?

Wing do you have a point to make in relation to the thread or are you just here to comment for the hell of it?

Only the same point as everyone else here. You are a hypocrite.

[btown80]

haha, have you looked at your rating recently?

Wing do you have a point to make in relation to the thread or are you just here to comment for the hell of it?

Only the same point as everyone else here. You are a hypocrite.

If that's all you have, and you've said it already, then why the need to continue to troll?

[btown80]

Time for a new rule, freemiums can only post as many comments as games they have played. Quite irritating, when having an adult conversation with Don, working out our differences on the matter, to have some nobody come in and try to flame up the argument again.

[king achilles]

So some people do resort into deadbeating when playing in trench poly games and many of you believe that deadbeating is the best way to go if you are losing.

And since many of you have been doing it, you want to turn the case into a witch hunt since one player got a ban out of it. It's like a domino effect. One peron now, then another and then another... For the record, he has been warned before and the message was to stop deadbeating when he feels he has lost the game. Playing in this type of setting is still no excuse. If you can play out the game because you feel you are winning then why not also do the same when you are losing.

You know trench is a slow way of playing the game and yet you are still willing to play that setting but only in the condition that you should win. The moment you think you are losing, you will leave the game because you think that trench only drags the game further, and this thought will only show it's importance when you start losing. The willingness to play this type of game out will only be there as long as you think you are winning.

[iAmCaffeine]

So some people do resort into deadbeating when playing in trench poly games and many of you believe that deadbeating is the best way to go if you are losing.

And since many of you have been doing it, you want to turn the case into a witch hunt since one player got a ban out of it. It's like a domino effect. One peron now, then another and then another... For the record, he has been warned before and the message was to stop deadbeating when he feels he has lost the game. Playing in this type of setting is still no excuse. If you can play out the game because you feel you are winning then why not also do the same when you are losing.

So presumably btown80 will be getting a warning then? I'd expect for both intentional deadbeating and also for trolling/flaming, since several of his posts have been reported from what I understand.

Well that's a change of tune caffeine :

Didn't even see that, thanks. Previously warned, still deadbeating. What's the next step, 1 month vacation?

I believe so. It won't be long before a mod closes this upr.

You originally agreed that a 30 day ban was in order. Funny how things change when certain people may not agree with you.

I never said I agreed, I simply linked the thread where he received his prior warning and assumed he would receive a 1 month ban as that is how the scale works. You're still being hypocritical.

[btown80]

There is a large difference between Jacobsgold tactics and mine. I've never deadbeated a 3 player game, I've never just stopped playing in the middle of a game. Caffeine, I don't know what your personal vendetta against me but now you are embarrassing yourself. You are comparing a player with 5000 games, who has forfeited 8-9 games after having 0 chance and decided it's more polite to just db then to make the opponent sit there for 20 minutes, attacking one territory at a time. You are comparing that player to one that has played 8000 games and deadbeated over 2000 games. Some were under the same circumstances, but many were in 3 player games, many were in the first round or 2, many were not the same, so no, I am not being a hypocrite. I've had to defend my position for the last 2 weeks because you have zero logic and can't understand what the definition of hypocrite is. How about this, the JG thread I started, this thread is about me, neither have anything to do with you but that doesn't stop you from continuing to come in here to post accusations and name calling. So when you say that, then you csll me a hypocrite, that right there, is you being a hypocrite. But again, you'll need logic to understand this post, so I don't expect you to get it. I expect your normal response, calling me an idiot, saying I'm a hypocrite. Prove me wrong, just once, maybe walk away from a fight that doesn't even concern you.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Btown.

IamCaffeine does not have a personal vendetta against you. Its Donelladan who does, unsurprisingly as you got his mate banned for the same reasons that you yourself have now been warned.

Also dont accuse people of needlessly getting involved in conversation when you ask them direct questions.

[btown80]

Btown.

IamCaffeine does not have a personal vendetta against you. Its Donelladan who does, unsurprisingly as you got his mate banned for the same reasons that you yourself have now been warned.

Also dont accuse people of needlessly getting involved in conversation when you ask them direct questions.

Needlessly getting involved, funny you should say that. Go play some games and stop trolling all the forums. This issue, the one with great Ollie, things you know nothing about.

[eddie2]

Lol hhhhhh,

Is. This case closed I see wing Comander saying warned..

Ok my only. 2 cents in this. Whole thing


How did the op get, the person banned ?

King a has stated the person Has been warned before for the same thing. When this happens does he wall to apologise.

If the persons Internet is that bad why create several speed games knowing his Internet can go off anytime.

Don you know I respect you, so why open this case, you as well as myself along with 99 percent of speed trench players have done this to end a game faster. But in fact the reason. We all do it, don't change the fact that we shouldn't do it. We have got off with it because we communicate with our opponent what we are doing. That is the difference between this case and the previous one. Previous case no respect for others. This case respect shown to others.