Closed Jacobsgold Deadbeat Extraodinaire [ka]

[btown80]

Thank you ka

[Donelladan]

Care to explain the reason of your decision ?

[btown80]

Do you really need an explanation? Previously warned for his constant deadbeating, plus continued deadbeating, equals vacation.

[iAmCaffeine]

Do you really need an explanation? Previously warned for his constant deadbeating, plus continued deadbeating, equals vacation.

I don't think he asked you.

[Donelladan]

Do you really need an explanation? Previously warned for his constant deadbeating, plus continued deadbeating, equals vacation.

I see deadbeating player every single day several times a day when playing speed games.
Want to see a list of the players that deadbeat on me just yesterday ?

Everyone deadbeat speed game. I see no reason to punish him for the one offense mentionned by you here.

Because everyone deadbeat speed game ( trench ofc) all the time, there is no line drawn to when or how you should deadbeat it. There is sometimes people that give up round 2. There is sometimes people that don't say anything and start deadbeating. Is it rude? Yes. Annoying ? Yes. Forbidden? No, what is forbidden is deabeating, there is no rule saying you can only deadbeat after round 3 or a rule saying that you have to tell your opponenent you will db. But deadbeating is actuallly ok, and accepted by everyone playing speed.

Therefore except if there is something else that the game you put in the OP, then I really don't understand the punishment here.


But, as Caff mentionned. I didn't ask you.

[btown80]

Do you really need an explanation? Previously warned for his constant deadbeating, plus continued deadbeating, equals vacation.

I see deadbeating player every single day several times a day when playing speed games.
Want to see a list of the players that deadbeat on me just yesterday ?

Everyone deadbeat speed game. I see no reason to punish him for the one offense mentionned by you here.

Because everyone deadbeat speed game ( trench ofc) all the time, there is no line drawn to when or how you should deadbeat it. There is sometimes people that give up round 2. There is sometimes people that don't say anything and start deadbeating. Is it rude? Yes. Annoying ? Yes. Forbidden? No, what is forbidden is deabeating, there is no rule saying you can only deadbeat after round 3 or a rule saying that you have to tell your opponenent you will db. But deadbeating is actuallly ok, and accepted by everyone playing speed.

Therefore except if there is something else that the game you put in the OP, then I really don't understand the punishment here.


But, as Caff mentionned. I didn't ask you.

I didn't know I was talking with a child "I didn't ask you." Rules say intentional deadbeating is forbidden. Do you need someone to further explain that one to you? Report is closed, therefore mods won't respond. I figured I'd help you understand since Jacobsgold was clearly in violation.

[iAmCaffeine]

Do you really need an explanation? Previously warned for his constant deadbeating, plus continued deadbeating, equals vacation.

I see deadbeating player every single day several times a day when playing speed games.
Want to see a list of the players that deadbeat on me just yesterday ?

Everyone deadbeat speed game. I see no reason to punish him for the one offense mentionned by you here.

Because everyone deadbeat speed game ( trench ofc) all the time, there is no line drawn to when or how you should deadbeat it. There is sometimes people that give up round 2. There is sometimes people that don't say anything and start deadbeating. Is it rude? Yes. Annoying ? Yes. Forbidden? No, what is forbidden is deabeating, there is no rule saying you can only deadbeat after round 3 or a rule saying that you have to tell your opponenent you will db. But deadbeating is actuallly ok, and accepted by everyone playing speed.

Therefore except if there is something else that the game you put in the OP, then I really don't understand the punishment here.


But, as Caff mentionned. I didn't ask you.

I didn't know I was talking with a child "I didn't ask you." Rules say intentional deadbeating is forbidden. Do you need someone to further explain that one to you? Report is closed, therefore mods won't respond. I figured I'd help you understand since Jacobsgold was clearly in violation.

Why are you speaking for the mods? Quite often they will give an explanation for their ruling. Since KA has made a decision, is the C&A leader and is an admin, I think it's perfectly reasonable for Donelladan to ask him, and not some arrogant, annoying brown-noser like yourself, the question.

[Donelladan]

Game 15744584

Rules say intentional deadbeating is forbidden.

Should I report you ? Seriously dude. Intentional deadbeating is the norm in speed game and you apparently know it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Donelladan, is your objection to this decision, or is it to the rules? It appears to me that you object to the rule existing in such explicit format rather than this particular decision in isolation.

[Donelladan]

WingCmdr Ginkapo, did you read what I said to clangfield ? As a freemium you have obviously no idea about how speed game work and I am sorry to say so but you are missing the point.

This rule is NEVER enforced as far as trench speed game as concerned.

The only times I ever saw this rule being enforced for speed game is when a player creates tons of speeds and deadbeat all of them.

People deadbeat speed game all the time, every day.
I won't bother but you may look at the speed games I played this week, I played lot of them, and almost exclusively trench, there is maximum 1 game over 10 in which my opponent didn't deadbeat when losing. Probably less. Everyone deadbeat, as I showed in my previous post, OP even deadbeat speed poly trench games. Since everyone does, and since it is accepted by everyone, and it would be a real shame if it wasn't accepted anymore, I do not understand KA decision.

[btown80]

Create a ton of games and then deadbeat, that's exactly what he does. I love that you linked in a game where I announced the deadbeat (which is what you are supposed to do) once the game was clearly in hand. What Jacobsgold does is deadbeat after a turn or 2 when the game is just starting, or not even play a turn, thus the rule violation. As far as your whole need for an explanation from a mod and calling me a brown nose, I was simply pointing out that the thread was closed and therefore wouldn't be responded to by mods. I would recommend starting a report on changing the rule if you have that much issue with it, and also, perhaps maturing a few years might help.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

This rule is NEVER enforced as far as trench speed game as concerned.

Then clearly the rule is at fault.

[Serbia]

I love that you linked in a game where I announced the deadbeat (which is what you are supposed to do) once the game was clearly in hand.

So if you announce that you're deadbeating now, that is within the rules? Where is this written? I didn't know that deadbeating had an asterisk beside it these days. "As long as it's a speed game, and you announce it, and one or more player arbitrarily decides that the game is clearly 'in hand', then deadbeating is A-OK!" Link please?

Bollocks.

[BGtheBrain]

The rule is enforced if it is reported.

Go find any user who had deadbeated 5 speed trench games and make a report and see how it turns out...

Edit: Im second guessing myself. The more recent rulings indicate anything could happen.

[iAmCaffeine]

I love that you linked in a game where I announced the deadbeat (which is what you are supposed to do) once the game was clearly in hand.

So if you announce that you're deadbeating now, that is within the rules? Where is this written? I didn't know that deadbeating had an asterisk beside it these days. "As long as it's a speed game, and you announce it, and one or more player arbitrarily decides that the game is clearly 'in hand', then deadbeating is A-OK!" Link please?

Bollocks.

I was going to say the same thing! What an absolute hypocrite!

So guys, from now on we can deadbeat any game as long as we announce it beforehand. Hahaha! That is not a rule whatsoever. It's a common courtesy to ask the other player(s) if they mind you deadbeating once the game is decided, just like it's a courtesy to announce if you're covering someone's turn. It is not compulsory.

Speed trench games are the only exception to the deadbeat rule, in usual circumstances. Donelladan was saying the only time it's unacceptable is when you're point dumping, which is not the case here.

Also, it was me that said you brown nose. I guess Don and I look very similar.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Speed trench games are the only exception to the deadbeat rule, in usual circumstances.

I have no idea how these things are treated, but the rule as written in the rules does not have any exceptions. Maybe it should be written differently if that is the case.

I dont really understand why speed trench should be treated differently to 24hr trench.

[btown80]

You guys either have never played trench or are now just trolling.

When the game is clearly in hand it is polite to admit defeat (would love to see a forfeit button) and announce deadbeat. But there is a HUGE difference in playing the game out, realizing that there is zero chance of winning and moving on, then getting upset in round 2 and just leaving. Deadbeating in a 3+ person game is never acceptable (Jacobsgold has done this many times as well) you guys are failing to see the issue, and that is the 16% missed turn percentage. You don't get that without trying to be an asshole and leaving every game.

[Donelladan]

Hum. I'll assume btown80 that you are really trying to be objective. But seems you haven't been reading what I said at all. I already replied everything you said your last post.

First that was funny

You guys either have never played trench or are now just trolling.

You have played a total of 8 speed poly trench games.
It goes to 84 when we take all speed trench games poly or not.

I have played 261 poly trench speed games, and 928 trench speed poly or not.
So really trust me I know what I am speaking of and I am not trolling.


Second thing :

you guys are failing to see the issue, and that is the 16% missed turn percentage. You don't get that without trying to be an asshole and leaving every game.

Jacobsgold plays a lot of trench poly speed game, hence the 84% attendance I believe.

Now, on what do you base your assumption that 16% of missed turns is too many? I mean, we have consider what we are speaking of.
Speaking of someone playing 24h games, 16% missed turns would be a lot.
Now jacobsgold played 8405 games on CC, among those 8405, 7548 were speed games.
Then among the 7548 speed, 5159 were trench, and 1324 were polymorphic games ( as everyone knows polymorph give much more miss turns that normal game).

Well considering that 89.6% of the games is played on CC were speed games, I do not find that 16% is too much.

The 16% of missed turns for someone playing exclusively speed games ( 90% speed games is close to exclusive) is totally normal.

And you example of him deadbeating in a 3-player game is probably one of the many he lost connection.
Because believe it or not but a lot of people deadbeat speed game accidentally.

Look at this one Game 15805158. I deadbeated it and without saying anything. Do you really think I would have deadbeated it ? This game was mine and won, I deadbeated it because smthg happen IRL and had no choice but to deadbeat it.
Btw to everyone wondering why deadbeat rule is never enforced in speed game that is why. Because it happens that you have to deadbeat a speed game without wanting it. And it is impossible to say, in 99% of the case, that someone deadbeat a speed game because he is an ass or just because he had no choice.
Plus of course, the fact that everyone deadbeat poly trench speed. And not always saying something. I don't have time now but I can dig up in the last weeks many examples of players not saying a word and deadbeating, I can count some just saying gg and deadbeating, and I can count a lot saying "I will db" as well. But this isn't a rule.

Maybe in your case jacobsgold has been an ass, but punishing him for something that is the norm in poly speed trench is definitely not normal, because no one ever said there were rule how to deadbeat a speed game. No line have been drawn, and drawing a line suddenly, arbitrary, without any explanation is a problem.
I say so because I often play this kind of game, I deadbeat them as well, it did happen to me to deadbeat them without saying a word, sometimes because of real life issue ( boss in the office !! ) sometimes just because I was super pissed off by my dice. But no one ever been punished for that and it is happening all the time.
That is why, for ONE issue you mentionned with jacobsgold, wich isn't even well argumented ( didn't see you quoting game number in which he was playing at the same time for example even if it doesn't matter to me still shouldn't be punished for that).

Jacobsgold didn't deadbeat in order to point dumping which is the only case always punished if we speak of deadbeating in speed game.

If we start punishing people deadbeating speed game something is completely wrong here in CC.
So maybe KA has other argument I have no idea about why he gave one month ban to jacob. But the game jacob played with you should not be enough to give him a one month ban.

[btown80]

You are dense, aren't you Don? I didn't realize there was a minimum games played quota to be met in order to understand how games are played. Therefore, since you also know how the games are played, I stand by my statement that you either never play trench (not the case) or you are trolling (100% the case) The mods have spoken, they obviously are not going to respond as the thread is closed (closed means no more mod input, in case you didn't realize that) So I will try to explain this one more time for your pea-brain to try to fathom; Deadbeating in particular is not the issue at all, it's the "Extraordinaire" part that gets him banned. DB'ing 3-way games, DB'ing 2nd round/3rd round. Obviously you will never comprehend the rule and how it is applied so I'm just wasting my breath now. As I've said 4 times already, if you have a problem with the rule, then open a thread about it, otherwise, you have no leg to stand on, and neither does Jacobsgold. Bye Felicia!!

[Serbia]

You guys either have never played trench or are now just trolling.

Stop dodging, chump. You said, and I quote:

I announced the deadbeat (which is what you are supposed to do) once the game was clearly in hand.

Now link to the fucking rule that says that. YOU CAN'T. Stop your pathetic side step, and admit it. Calling you out on bullshit isn't trolling, little boy, it's calling you the fuck out. Being polite is not the same as being sanctioned by the site.

Bollocks.

[btown80]

Oh Serbia, you are one funny little boy. Confused as well. Please tell me, in the rules, where it states you can't agree to a mutual db of one side when the game is clearly in hand. It's the reason there has been debate over a "surrender" button for years. We are getting way off point now as well. If you have a problem with me, or something I said, feel free to open a complaint thread against me. It is within your right. Trying to start a flame war is not something I see as a very mature way of handling a debate.

Have a great day!!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

You cannot argue that there IS NO unwritten exception for trench games.

AND

Argue that there IS an unwritten exception for written agreements.

For a site of strategy gamers there really is a lack of logic at times on this website.

[Serbia]

Oh Serbia, you are one funny little boy. Confused as well. Please tell me, in the rules, where it states you can't agree to a mutual db of one side when the game is clearly in hand. It's the reason there has been debate over a "surrender" button for years. We are getting way off point now as well. If you have a problem with me, or something I said, feel free to open a complaint thread against me. It is within your right. Trying to start a flame war is not something I see as a very mature way of handling a debate.

Have a great day!!

I don't see your illogical whining as a mature way to handle anything. You're the one who, in an apparent attempt to keep anyone from thinking you're capable of an adult and logical conversation, when challenged to prove an idiotic statement you've made, changes the conversation to say "well show me where I can't do this very specific thing!"

The rule is, Mom said don't take cookies.
btown says "I DECLARED I was taking a cookie, which is what I'm supposed to do!"
I challenge that by saying "explain to us WHEN Mom said you can take one if you declare it first?"
btown responds "show me where it's written that I can't declare my intention, then take my cookie! you can't! I'm the smartest 8 year old EVAH!"

Still just a child!

You cannot argue that there IS NO unwritten exception for trench games.

AND

Argue that there IS an unwritten exception for written agreements.

For a site of strategy gamers there really is a lack of logic at times on this website.

Pretty much sums up all anyone needs to know about btown, the illogical dolt.

Bollocks.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There is a valid discussion here which those two appear to have missed. Maybe the rules should have exceptions for trench games. Not that I am n a position to comment as I havent been around long enough, and also out of principle will never deadbeat a game.

[btown80]

Oh Serbia, you are one funny little boy. Confused as well. Please tell me, in the rules, where it states you can't agree to a mutual db of one side when the game is clearly in hand. It's the reason there has been debate over a "surrender" button for years. We are getting way off point now as well. If you have a problem with me, or something I said, feel free to open a complaint thread against me. It is within your right. Trying to start a flame war is not something I see as a very mature way of handling a debate.

Have a great day!!

I don't see your illogical whining as a mature way to handle anything. You're the one who, in an apparent attempt to keep anyone from thinking you're capable of an adult and logical conversation, when challenged to prove an idiotic statement you've made, changes the conversation to say "well show me where I can't do this very specific thing!"

The rule is, Mom said don't take cookies.
btown says "I DECLARED I was taking a cookie, which is what I'm supposed to do!"
I challenge that by saying "explain to us WHEN Mom said you can take one if you declare it first?"
btown responds "show me where it's written that I can't declare my intention, then take my cookie! you can't! I'm the smartest 8 year old EVAH!"

Still just a child!

You cannot argue that there IS NO unwritten exception for trench games.

AND

Argue that there IS an unwritten exception for written agreements.

For a site of strategy gamers there really is a lack of logic at times on this website.

Pretty much sums up all anyone needs to know about btown, the illogical dolt.

Bollocks.

So you are comparing a player who, after depleting every resource and every effort to win the game has come up shy, and in an effort to be polite and save time, has announced in round 10 that he will deadbeat the game so it doesn't take another 10 rounds to finish, to a player who deadbeats in round 2 for some reason unknown, and also deadbeats 3player games. And you say I'm the illogical one? Please take your childish arguments elsewhere.

Have a great day!!