The Confederate Flag and CC

[owenshooter]

That is actually a racism act in progress that is segregating a minority. Raising a flag that is symbolic for racism is just trying to get rise out of people, if you don't give it to them then they will eventually stop using it.

again, imagine the money the german gov could have saved if you had decided the fate of the nazi flag... *eyes rolling*...-Jésus noir

Nazis are completely different then the confederate flag

um, actually, no they aren't... well, more black people were killed in the name of slavery/southern commerce than jews by the Nazi's... cough... both are offensive, one is banned, the other should be...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/con ... story.html

read that...-Jésus noir

p.s.-you are never going to win this argument and the south is not going to rise again...

[40kguy]

That is actually a racism act in progress that is segregating a minority. Raising a flag that is symbolic for racism is just trying to get rise out of people, if you don't give it to them then they will eventually stop using it.

again, imagine the money the german gov could have saved if you had decided the fate of the nazi flag... *eyes rolling*...-Jésus noir

Nazis are completely different then the confederate flag

um, actually, no they aren't... well, more black people were killed in the name of slavery/southern commerce than jews by the Nazi's... cough... both are offensive, one is banned, the other should be...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/con ... story.html

read that...-Jésus noir

p.s.-you are never going to win this argument and the south is not going to rise again...

Slavery was over 100's of years and the Holocaust lasted a decade, numbers are skewed.

Nazis also started WWII

[ConfederateSS]

-----Win what???? FREE SPEECH...The reason the Supreme Court can't refuse anyone's right to speak or self expression. That the crooked cross is a symbol still used in Eastern culture. In a good way,as it has always been used. THE FACT THAT GERMANY/PRUSSIA. Was not founded on the concept of FREE SPEECH...Although I do find it Ironic and typical of Americans. They are quick to ban and censer. Without realizing they are AMERICAN...The Country of Free Speech...Just like they try and ban Works of Art. The diary of Anne Frank,Catcher in The Rye...Tom Sawyer.Etc...Etc...Soon America will be burning books like Nazis. They will use Free Speech only if it suits their purpose. If we start refusing those sheet wearing dumb asses,the rite to speak. People like Martin Luther King Jr, will also be prohibited from speaking,or expressing themselves. That old tune...You can't have ONE without the OTHER...Look out Ray Bradbury.. ..Your Fahrenheit 451 is becoming more of an American reality...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).......Yes, "HANDS UP"....FREE SPEECH...protects all....

[owenshooter]

Slavery was over 100's of years and the Holocaust lasted a decade, numbers are skewed.

how are the numbers skewed?!! estimates of 60 million killed during slavery are considered "conservative", many believe the number to be well over 100 million... the numbers are what the numbers are. even at 60 million, that number dwarfs the holocaust... nazi symbolism is illegal, the confederate flag should be illegal...-Jésus noir

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Pretend false idols should also be illegal. Be careful what you wish for.

[Serbia]

Poorly drawn cartoon chimpanzee images should also be illegal. Be careful what you wish for.

#justasrelevant

Bollocks.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Poorly drawn cartoon chimpanzee images should also be illegal. Be careful what you wish for.

#justasrelevant

Bollocks.

Indeed, so how can anyone argue that specifically the Confederate flag is an issue.

[Serbia]

Poorly drawn cartoon chimpanzee images should also be illegal. Be careful what you wish for.

#justasrelevant

Bollocks.

Indeed, so how can anyone argue that specifically the Confederate flag is an issue.

Your argument is illogical. What does one have to do with the other?

Bollocks.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

[ConfederateSS]

-----Slavery was one issue... But lets see...There were slaves before...1776...Do people of The United Kingdom who come from an African past. Cry slavery and ask that The UNION JACK be removed from sight because it offends them?...Between 1776--1861... The Stars and Stripes... held the flag of slavery...Do Americans complain?... The very people who set The South free... Would turn WEST...The Stars and Stripes would not only cause genocide. The Stars and Stripes would also force Native Americans onto reservations at gun point. When the Indians would seek to be free and live their life style. The US Government would hunt them down like animals. Force them back on to the reservations or wipe them out. I don't hear the cry, from The Native American's...Take down The Stars and Stripes...it offends us.
-----As Free Speech goes...If someone tries to tell me what I can and cannot do. Then I'll do it in defiance of suppression. I don't care about the Battle Flag...Until someone says I can't wave it. Trying to refuse us our American rite of Free Speech. Qwert didn't attack the Battle Flag. But he was attacking Free Speech. I also am just someone who loves History and strategy. Someone who will let both sides speak or express themselves. I'm not heartless either. I'm a Roman Catholic American...a church setting for shooting,burning any flag...sickens me. Not to mention those sheet wearing dumb asses. Or rappers calling for cop killers.... I can fly the Stars and Bars for Free Speech and History. In respect for others. My father hated the New York Yankees,because back then ,if you didn't come from New York...Everybody loved to hate them. They won every year it seemed. He loved Brett Butler,too...Lets face it,it was a hell of a movie...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...I do think people should be able to have the Battle Flag on their house..or car..not the plate made by the state. But a novelty one. Not on a State Capital building. Paid for by US tax dollars. But they want to take The Battle Flag out of national cemeteries. O.K. that's pushing it a bit. Who's going to be offended...The ones under the ground or above? Sometimes it time to lighten up...
-----The beginning of The movie...The Undefeated...Wayne says...to the Rebel..."you knew the war ended three days ago..." Reb, "yes sir" Wayne, "but you kept fighting", Reb,"yes sir".. Wayne, "why?"..Reb,"cause ,this is our land ,and you on it." Wayne, "We're all Americans."...Reb, "That's always been the saddest part."........WE'RE ALL AMERICANS...all these shootings around the country...WE'RE ALL AMERICANS,THAT'S THE SADDEST PART....

[owenshooter]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

you have to be kidding... this has been an ongoing debate for decades in the southern states... texas refused to put confederate flags on license plates, because it wants to distance itself from the racist symbolism of the flag and is on the way to making it illegal within the state of texas... you obviously see what is going on in the news, including multiple states clamoring to change their flags to remove portions that are adorned with the confederate flag or like imagery. this has nothing to do with "thousands of symbology in use in the world." this has to do with a racist/hate symbol that has continued to be flown in portions of america, despite protests and sound arguments against the flag being able to be flown. if you believe what you wrote, you are daft.-Jésus noir

ps.-you already tried to get my "nickname", given to me by a past admin, deemed offensive and illegal on CC... how did that work out for you? please continue to defend the confederate flag, it makes the reasons for your going after me all that much more clear and sound...

[Serbia]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

Why, if you're discussing the Confederate battle flag, should we also take into consideration the Washington Redskins name? If I'm discussing what to have for dinner (currently I'm leaning towards an Indian curry), should I first take into consideration that there are people in Africa who will go without? And what impact, if any, should that have on my meal choice? When considering whether or not one should marry, should they first consider that there is an ugly girl in an Arab country that is about to enter into an abusive marriage, one not of her own choosing? The discussion at hand can stand on it's own.

And why do you think the line drawn is arbitrary and, more importantly, without justification? And your statement about arguments being applied across the board only works in general terms. Take the battle flag that flew over the State Capitol grounds in South Carolina. The flag wasn't raised over the capitol until 1961. This was the 100 year anniversary of the American Civil War, but also a time when much of the south was vehemently opposed to the civil rights movement, and many southern states began adding the battle flag to their own state flags. It was seen by some as "an act of massive resistance to racial desegregation". An interesting article exploring this claim can be read here. That would be a strong argument for the flag having racist roots, and is also an argument that cannot be applied to Nazi symbolism, or the Redskin's name dispute.

As I said before, your argument is illogical. Please stop the dumb.

Bollocks.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If I'm discussing what to have for dinner (currently I'm leaning towards an Indian curry), should I first take into consideration that there are people in Africa who will go without?

This is an example of a closed question. No need to consider unrelated aspects.

When considering whether or not one should marry, should they first consider that there is an ugly girl in an Arab country that is about to enter into an abusive marriage, one not of her own choosing?

This is an example of a closed question. No need to consider unrelated aspects.

What is CC's position on using the Confederate Flag on maps and also on users that present it in their avatars and names?

This is an open question and consideration should be given to all aspects. To pretend the answer to this question can be yes or no is illogical. The answer is somewhere on a scale, of which context has the utmost importance.

[Serbia]

What is CC's position on using the Confederate Flag on maps and also on users that present it in their avatars and names?

This is an open question and consideration should be given to all aspects. To pretend the answer to this question can be yes or no is illogical. The answer is somewhere on a scale, of which context has the utmost importance.

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Why should CC's position on Nazis, the Redskins, or golliwogs be considered when talking about the Confederate battle flag? Just the way DaGip worded his question prohibits a "yes or no" answer, obviously, and I've never taken the position that there should be an easy answer. In fact, I honestly haven't stated a position for or against the flag within this thread. But one can come up with an answer, regardless of CC's position on other topics. CC can ban references to Hitler while allowing the Confederate battle flag, because hey, that's the status quo.

Bollocks.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

In fact, I honestly haven't stated a position for or against the flag within this thread. But one can come up with an answer, regardless of CC's position on other topics. CC can ban references to Hitler while allowing the Confederate battle flag, because hey, that's the status quo.

Bollocks.

Neither have I stated my position on the flag in this thread. The wonderful thing about these forums is that they are very very unrestricted. We both agree this is a very complex issue, and to put a marker in the ground with an official position leaves a precedent for a lot of very similar cases to be made.

[ConfederateSS]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

Why, a time when much of the south was vehemently opposed to the civil rights movement.
-----AS NOW...That's why no one can deny or attack ....FREE SPEECH....Because there is nothing that they can say.... If we didn't have our first amendment right. People would just start banning things and censoring things. The people fighting for CIVIL RIGHTS in the 60's would have been stopped. Because their messages and symbols would have been banned and censored. You have to let everyone speak and express themselves. No Matter what they believe or their symbols mean. Or what you believe their symbols mean. By the same standard,they can't stop you either....I would say Free Speech is justifiable....
-----The Dixie Battle Flag was carried into battle. It served a purpose on the battlefield at one time.It represented a region of our country. A big region. The Washington Redskins is a logo of an exact racial slur(at our nation's capitol no less) ....That is plain and simple. It was/is allowed because no one has ever looked The Native American's way(unless stealing their land). They are ignored. Throughout our Nation's History. As if they were never here at all. Unfortunately it is also protected by FREE SPEECH,and capitalism. If you want to ride around with a Redskin plate on your car. Or a Redskin flag on your house. That's your right. FREE SPEECH ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

That's why no one can deny or attack ....FREE SPEECH....Because there is nothing that they can say.... If we didn't have our first amendment right. People would just start banning things and censoring things.

You are on a website for which you have agreed to terms and conditions and as such do not have the right to freedom of expressing ideas via this platform.

[owenshooter]

That's why no one can deny or attack ....FREE SPEECH....Because there is nothing that they can say.... If we didn't have our first amendment right. People would just start banning things and censoring things.

You are on a website for which you have agreed to terms and conditions and as such do not have the right to freedom of expressing ideas via this platform.

love how you ignored my post and the article and Serbia directed you to, clearly showing how the confederate flag began being flown again in opposition to the civil rights movement... we all have had text books in college, use your brain, not what someone spoon fed you and answer some good points...-Jésus noir

P.s.- serb's link again: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... na-state-/

[ConfederateSS]

That's why no one can deny or attack ....FREE SPEECH....Because there is nothing that they can say.... If we didn't have our first amendment right. People would just start banning things and censoring things.

You are on a website for which you have agreed to terms and conditions and as such do not have the right to freedom of expressing ideas via this platform.

------Founded by a Canadian,run in Canada....Now owed by an American(?),run in America....This isn't a Pluto matter ... I doubt anyone in North America is against Free Speech... We left Europe/Asia to get away from the..You have to do what I say people...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).....I guess you ignored my posts... Where I said ,BOTH SIDES GET TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS...Most of the time,it was those sheet wearing dumb asses... Then MLK Jr. was allowed to speak his mind as well!!!...In England you can't even call THE QUEEN A BITCH without being arrested....Jealous...Looks like it....

[owenshooter]

In England you can't even call THE QUEEN A BITCH without being arrested....Jealous...Looks like it....

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!-Jésus noir

[DaGip]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

...ps.-you already tried to get my "nickname", given to me by a past admin, deemed offensive and illegal on CC... how did that work out for you? please continue to defend the confederate flag, it makes the reasons for your going after me all that much more clear and sound...

Yes, and after you get done going after Thee Schwarzen Christus...come after these massive BOOBIES, Beeeyaotch!

[zsp]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

...ps.-you already tried to get my "nickname", given to me by a past admin, deemed offensive and illegal on CC... how did that work out for you? please continue to defend the confederate flag, it makes the reasons for your going after me all that much more clear and sound...

Yes, and after you get done going after Thee Schwarzen Christus...come after these massive BOOBIES, Beeeyaotch!

I need the name of owner of said BOOBIES, any pornographic links to owner of said BOOBIES, and a bottle of lube.

[DaGip]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

...ps.-you already tried to get my "nickname", given to me by a past admin, deemed offensive and illegal on CC... how did that work out for you? please continue to defend the confederate flag, it makes the reasons for your going after me all that much more clear and sound...

Yes, and after you get done going after Thee Schwarzen Christus...come after these massive BOOBIES, Beeeyaotch!

I need the name of owner of said BOOBIES, any pornographic links to owner of said BOOBIES, and a bottle of lube.

[iAmCaffeine]

This entire thread is an attempt to isolate one symbol as being particularly more aberrant without consideration of the thousands of symbology in use in the world.

Any line drawn is an arbitrary line in the sand based on nothing that is justifiable. Any argument made for a particular standpoint can be equally applied to all others standpoints.

...ps.-you already tried to get my "nickname", given to me by a past admin, deemed offensive and illegal on CC... how did that work out for you? please continue to defend the confederate flag, it makes the reasons for your going after me all that much more clear and sound...

Yes, and after you get done going after Thee Schwarzen Christus...come after these massive BOOBIES, Beeeyaotch!

I need the name of owner of said BOOBIES, any pornographic links to owner of said BOOBIES, and a bottle of lube.

I'm glad you asked this question.