Closed Jacobsgold Deadbeat Extraodinaire [ka]

[btown80]

Accused:

jacobsgold




The accused are suspected of:
Intentional Deadbeating




Game number(s):

Game 15799117



Comments: I understand there is a time and place for deadbeating in speed games (trench games) but this guy takes deadbeating to a whole new level. A look at his profile and it shows "84% of turns taken." That's probably the worst I've seen. In our game, it was round 5 with the game definitely still up for grabs, and without warning, he just stops playing his turns.

[iAmCaffeine]

Take a look here:

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=190301&p=4160674&hilit=jacobsgold#p4160674

[btown80]

Didn't even see that, thanks. Previously warned, still deadbeating. What's the next step, 1 month vacation?

[iAmCaffeine]

Didn't even see that, thanks. Previously warned, still deadbeating. What's the next step, 1 month vacation?

I believe so. It won't be long before a mod closes this up.

[betiko]

jacobsgold is actually a very decent player and is quite nice in chat.
I know he has a bad conection from where he's at, sometimes he gets completely logged out. he also has a huge tendency to quit as soon as his games run south for him.
I don't really know if that's vacation material, because where would you draw the line? He isn't doing it to mess around with points or so.... Can we punish a player for giving up too fast?

[clangfield]

jacobsgold is actually a very decent player and is quite nice in chat.
I know he has a bad conection from where he's at, sometimes he gets completely logged out. he also has a huge tendency to quit as soon as his games run south for him.
I don't really know if that's vacation material, because where would you draw the line? He isn't doing it to mess around with points or so.... Can we punish a player for giving up too fast?

Yes.
Intentional deadbeating is against the rules.

[iAmCaffeine]

It's fair enough to deadbeat a trench speed game but in the fourth or fifth round is a bit premature, at least 99% of the time.

[betiko]

jacobsgold is actually a very decent player and is quite nice in chat.
I know he has a bad conection from where he's at, sometimes he gets completely logged out. he also has a huge tendency to quit as soon as his games run south for him.
I don't really know if that's vacation material, because where would you draw the line? He isn't doing it to mess around with points or so.... Can we punish a player for giving up too fast?

Yes.
Intentional deadbeating is against the rules.

the day you'll try trench speed games you will shut that rule nazi mouth.

[Donelladan]

Jacobsgold plays a lot of trench poly speed game, hence the 84% attendance I believe.
I have played it him many times, and don't recall seeing him deadbeat very early in a game.

Speed trench games, many players will deadbeat at some point, some time without warning because they are pissed off by dice or bad day, I've done it too, definitely not a reason to punish a player imo.

I do not know in which scale he has been deadbeating in other games, but from what I know he doesn't deserve any punishment.


@btown80 : Playing feudal epic poly 3 trench speed. You knew that at some point your opponent was probably going to deadbeat, so for which reason did you make this report. Because he didn't give a warning? Or because he deadbeated "early" ?

[btown80]

Jacobsgold plays a lot of trench poly speed game, hence the 84% attendance I believe.
I have played it him many times, and don't recall seeing him deadbeat very early in a game.

Speed trench games, many players will deadbeat at some point, some time without warning because they are pissed off by dice or bad day, I've done it too, definitely not a reason to punish a player imo.

I do not know in which scale he has been deadbeating in other games, but from what I know he doesn't deserve any punishment.


@btown80 : Playing feudal epic poly 3 trench speed. You knew that at some point your opponent was probably going to deadbeat, so for which reason did you make this report. Because he didn't give a warning? Or because he deadbeated "early" ?

Like I said, time and place to deadbeat. At the first sign of struggle, he's gone. The reason I created this post is because it's against the rules. If you don't think it's fair, talk to the mods about changing the rules. 16% missed turns is freakishly high. It's equivalent to a child flipping the board because he is losing.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@btown80 : Playing feudal epic poly 3 trench speed. You knew that at some point your opponent was probably going to deadbeat, so for which reason did you make this report. Because he didn't give a warning? Or because he deadbeated "early" ?

Look at his ratings, its not just this one game.

[iAmCaffeine]

@btown80 : Playing feudal epic poly 3 trench speed. You knew that at some point your opponent was probably going to deadbeat, so for which reason did you make this report. Because he didn't give a warning? Or because he deadbeated "early" ?

Look at his ratings, its not just this one game.

Nobody said it was.

[clangfield]

jacobsgold is actually a very decent player and is quite nice in chat.
I know he has a bad conection from where he's at, sometimes he gets completely logged out. he also has a huge tendency to quit as soon as his games run south for him.
I don't really know if that's vacation material, because where would you draw the line? He isn't doing it to mess around with points or so.... Can we punish a player for giving up too fast?

Yes.
Intentional deadbeating is against the rules.

the day you'll try trench speed games you will shut that rule nazi mouth.

I don't make the rules... just make people aware of them.
BTW - I'm a grammar nazi, not a rule nazi.

[betiko]

jacobsgold is actually a very decent player and is quite nice in chat.
I know he has a bad conection from where he's at, sometimes he gets completely logged out. he also has a huge tendency to quit as soon as his games run south for him.
I don't really know if that's vacation material, because where would you draw the line? He isn't doing it to mess around with points or so.... Can we punish a player for giving up too fast?

Yes.
Intentional deadbeating is against the rules.

the day you'll try trench speed games you will shut that rule nazi mouth.

I don't make the rules... just make people aware of them.
BTW - I'm a grammar nazi, not a rule nazi.

well it has been asked several times to add a resign button at least to speed trench games. There is really a point where there is 0% chances of anything and finishing the game is just a waste of time. You don't chose when to play your speed game turn, and you can't leave it for later. deadbeating is a highly common agreement between opponents once it's done.

and you guys are missing a point: jacob has a very shitty conection. I've seen him drop games he was going to win because he lost internet or he had big computer problems.

[clangfield]

jacobsgold is actually a very decent player and is quite nice in chat.
I know he has a bad conection from where he's at, sometimes he gets completely logged out. he also has a huge tendency to quit as soon as his games run south for him.
I don't really know if that's vacation material, because where would you draw the line? He isn't doing it to mess around with points or so.... Can we punish a player for giving up too fast?

Yes.
Intentional deadbeating is against the rules.

the day you'll try trench speed games you will shut that rule nazi mouth.

I don't make the rules... just make people aware of them.
BTW - I'm a grammar nazi, not a rule nazi.

well it has been asked several times to add a resign button at least to speed trench games. There is really a point where there is 0% chances of anything and finishing the game is just a waste of time. You don't chose when to play your speed game turn, and you can't leave it for later. deadbeating is a highly common agreement between opponents once it's done.

and you guys are missing a point: jacob has a very shitty conection. I've seen him drop games he was going to win because he lost internet or he had big computer problems.

The intent is the issue. If one has problems, one should apologise or explain the reason for the missed turns when one is back on, and no-one can complain. All it needs is a "sorry, lost connection" and everyone's happy. It's the "not playing any more because I'm losing" approach that's not within the rules.
The grey area is asking permission to deadbeat and getting agreement from the other player(s) - but presumably if all agree then they would not be reported.

[Donelladan]

The intent is the issue. If one has problems, one should apologise or explain the reason for the missed turns when one is back on, and no-one can complain. All it needs is a "sorry, lost connection" and everyone's happy. It's the "not playing any more because I'm losing" approach that's not within the rules.
The grey area is asking permission to deadbeat and getting agreement from the other player(s) - but presumably if all agree then they would not be reported.

Not trying to be an ass here but I think you should not post on stuff you have no idea about clangfield.
If I were to report every people that deadbeat on speed game without saying a word I'll be filling a tons of reports, definitely more than one per week.


Look at this one sditulli for example. 90% turns taken. I believe the only difference with jacobsgold is that sditulli play 1vs1 while jacobsgold play polymorph. Both play tons of speeds, both play trench.

Now, is what jacobsgold did on the game described on the OP a nice thing ? Maybe not that much, but even if it was intentionnal, please note that it happens all the time, every single day.

The grey area is asking permission to deadbeat and getting agreement from the other player(s) - but presumably if all agree then they would not be reported.

This is the nice area not the grey one. The grey one is playing speed game. Everyone deadbeat speed game, sometimes, , not intentionnally. I deadbeated more than 1 speed game without wanting to do so,and I've deadbeated way more speed game intentionnally. That is the way it is.
I am not saying the OP may not have a case, because I didn't and won't bother checking jacobsgold games, but what you are saying, clangfield, is wrong. That is not how speed games works.

Like I said, time and place to deadbeat. At the first sign of struggle, he's gone. The reason I created this post is because it's against the rules. If you don't think it's fair, talk to the mods about changing the rules. 16% missed turns is freakishly high. It's equivalent to a child flipping the board because he is losing.

As I said before, I've played him quite often, I know he doesn't just deadbeat at the first "sign of struggle". You think it is the case, please research his games, and find many occurence of him deadbeating at the first "sign of struggle". He may deadbeat a bit early times to times, but, again, as someone playing many speed games, I totally understand that sometimes you get pissed at losing 5 games in a row with shitty dice and just say "f*ck it" and close the game on the 6th games with shitty dice and deadbeat without saying a word. Not saying it is what happened, just saying it happens often, and one example is definitely not enough to say
jacobsgold is deadbeating too often.

[clangfield]

Not trying to be an ass here but I think you should not post on stuff you have no idea about clangfield.
If I were to report every people that deadbeat on speed game without saying a word I'll be filling a tons of reports, definitely more than one per week.

...and if people only posted on stuff they knew a lot about, rather than giving biased ill-informed opinions, there wouldn't be many posts in some of these forums
It's true, I don't know what it's like to deadbeat, or even begin a game where that was a possibility.

[btown80]

Your "connection" excuse doesn't hold water when he's playing his turns in 2 other games at the same time and deadbeating the one against me.

[betiko]

Your "connection" excuse doesn't hold water when he's playing his turns in 2 other games at the same time and deadbeating the one against me.

I never said that. I said that not all of his deadbeating is due to him quitting, sometimes he has connection problems and he comes back later to apologize and explain he got disconected. I have played him millions of times and I know the guy's ways more than you do.

Intentionally deadbeating is a real issue in 24h games but not in speed games.

[btown80]

Your "connection" excuse doesn't hold water when he's playing his turns in 2 other games at the same time and deadbeating the one against me.

I never said that. I said that not all of his deadbeating is due to him quitting, sometimes he has connection problems and he comes back later to apologize and explain he got disconected. I have played him millions of times and I know the guy's ways more than you do.

Intentionally deadbeating is a real issue in 24h games but not in speed games.

If you know him that well, why don't you tell him to come on here and explain himself instead of defending him based on your bias personal relationship with him. Also, I hate when people exaggerate, "millions of times," when you've played 24 games against him.

Look at Game 15524463, deadbeated round 2
Game 15505776, didn't play a turn
Game 15505775, this is the best one. Your first comment is "Jacob dead beating again." His deadbeat cost you the game in a 3 person game, you said in chat you were going to foe him, and you didnt signup for this shit. Lol, this was 3 months ago, sounds like a close friend.
Game 15505774 didn't play a turn
Game 15505771 didn't play a turn
At this point it looks like you are intentionally joining his games to get free points because you know he isn't playing

Is that why you don't want him kicked, because it will take away your free points?

If you don't think 16% missed turns is too many, then you need to re-examine your head.

[Donelladan]

Well, the game in which he didn't play a turn, obviously support betiko's claim that the 16% of missed turn are not only due to intentionnal deadbeating but also to bad connections.

Now, on what do you base your assumption that 16% of missed turns is too many? I mean, we have consider what we are speaking of.
Speaking of someone playing 24h games, 16% missed turns would be a lot.
Now jacobsgold played 8405 games on CC, among those 8405, 7548 were speed games.
Then among the 7548 speed, 5159 were trench, and 1324 were polymorphic games ( as everyone knows polymorph give much more miss turns that normal game).

Well considering that 89.6% of the games is played on CC were speed games, I do not find that 16% is too much.

[betiko]

Your "connection" excuse doesn't hold water when he's playing his turns in 2 other games at the same time and deadbeating the one against me.

I never said that. I said that not all of his deadbeating is due to him quitting, sometimes he has connection problems and he comes back later to apologize and explain he got disconected. I have played him millions of times and I know the guy's ways more than you do.

Intentionally deadbeating is a real issue in 24h games but not in speed games.

If you know him that well, why don't you tell him to come on here and explain himself instead of defending him based on your bias personal relationship with him. Also, I hate when people exaggerate, "millions of times," when you've played 24 games against him.

Look at Game 15524463, deadbeated round 2
Game 15505776, didn't play a turn
Game 15505775, this is the best one. Your first comment is "Jacob dead beating again." His deadbeat cost you the game in a 3 person game, you said in chat you were going to foe him, and you didnt signup for this shit. Lol, this was 3 months ago, sounds like a close friend.
Game 15505774 didn't play a turn
Game 15505771 didn't play a turn
At this point it looks like you are intentionally joining his games to get free points because you know he isn't playing

Is that why you don't want him kicked, because it will take away your free points?

If you don't think 16% missed turns is too many, then you need to re-examine your head.

I never said I was close to this guy... only that I've played him millions of times. Considering that his rank is way below his skills beacause of his deadbeating and his conection problems, I can assure you I haven't been making points out of him for sure, just look what I lose when he beats me and the little I gain when I win.
And yes, he is often a pain in the ass and I've considered foeing him. But the guy has always been nice in game chat and apologizing for misses whenever he decides to post. All I'm saying.

[btown80]

Sorry Betiko, I can't take your responses serious. You bitched about him deadbeating and I quote "84% turns played for f*ck sake." No idea what your agenda is now but he needs a vacation. In the duration of this thread, he has added a couple more 2nd round deadbeats.

[king achilles]

Jacobsgold is serving a one month ban.