zeus2012 multi [ka]

by **owenshooter** on Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:42 pm

long story short... he is a multi... he won't say what his other account is and he knew the rules before he came back... he could have contacted the admins to have his old account restored for his use, but he chose to break the first rule of cc... oddly enough, the advantage you gain with your low rank and knowledge is immense... people can look at my profile and see the range of ranks i fluctuate about, with zeus, there is no telling what rank he currently held, etc... this is cheating, this is gaining points unfairly... and his denial in the chat clearly shows that he knows his actions are indeed not condoned by CC and that they are viewed as a major infraction... it is just so odd that he will not state what his former username is, what is he hiding? if he were previously banned, he could have requested his case reviewed and had it restored as many have done recently, thanks to BW being rational... the black jesus does not condone multis, the black jesus is saddened by this and he hopes that zeus may continue on with his old account (after buying back in, for this major infraction)... i also hope he will state what his prior account was... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

by **Shannon Apple** on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:21 pm

I don't think it's anyone's business but the MH and admins what his prior account was. It's likely it will be returned to him and this one discontinued. (I am pretty sure that he has already disclosed that info in PM to the powers that be.) Especially in a case where it is found that he is telling the truth about not having access to it in a long long time. I know as much as you do on that one, Owen, but willing to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. If someone is simultaneously playing two accounts, then they deserve to be publicly named and shamed. If there is a perfectly genuine explanation for why they returned to CC and opened a new one and their story checks out, then I believe in discretion. That's why reasonable people are chosen to be multi-hunters, and you are not one, Owen. No offense.

by **clangfield** on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:57 pm

owenshooter wrote:long story short... he is a multi... he won't say what his other account is and he knew the rules before he came back... he could have contacted the admins to have his old account restored for his use, but he chose to break the first rule of cc... oddly enough, the advantage you gain with your low rank and knowledge is immense... people can look at my profile and see the range of ranks i fluctuate about, with zeus, there is no telling what rank he currently held, etc... this is cheating, this is gaining points unfairly... and his denial in the chat clearly shows that he knows his actions are indeed not condoned by CC and that they are viewed as a major infraction... it is just so odd that he will not state what his former username is, what is he hiding? if he were previously banned, he could have requested his case reviewed and had it restored as many have done recently, thanks to BW being rational... the black jesus does not condone multis, the black jesus is saddened by this and he hopes that zeus may continue on with his old account (after buying back in, for this major infraction)... i also hope he will state what his prior account was... the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

He's told me what his other account was. It hasn't been used since 2013. The last rank for that account was Captain.

by **owenshooter** on Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:24 pm

clangfield wrote:
owenshooter wrote:long story short... he is a multi... he won't say what his other account is and he knew the rules before he came back... he could have contacted the admins to have his old account restored for his use, but he chose to break the first rule of cc... oddly enough, the advantage you gain with your low rank and knowledge is immense...-Jésus noir

He's told me what his other account was. It hasn't been used since 2013. The last rank for that account was Captain.

that is exactly the point i was making... and now, did he have any major infractions or rule violations? all this stuff matters... i'm glad someone gets it...

Shannon Apple wrote:If there is a perfectly genuine explanation for why they returned to CC and opened a new one and their story checks out, then I believe in discretion. That's why reasonable people are chosen to be multi-hunters, and you are not one, Owen. No offense.

but i am being reasonable. he broke the first rule of the site. you need to know what his past rank was, what his offenses/infractions were, etc... i believe i am pretty well versed in the rules of the site and how a lot of this works... if i weren't, i'd have been gone a long time ago when the owen-witch hunt was going on (miss you Andy!!)... ask any of the older mods, i am generally correct and i have very few complaints and those are generally spot on and valid. sorry, i just don't see how you can defend someone for breaking the first rule of the site... he could have contacted an admin straight away and chose not to do so, wonder why? had he joined and sent a message right away to clear it up, i'd cut him some slack. but he didn't. he chose to play 26 games before saying anything, BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT!! so, sorry i'm not rational enough to be a mod... but again, i'm spot on correct on this one... this guy knowingly broke the rules and was enjoying his "secret advantage"...-Jésus noir

p.s.-you know you are my 3rd fav

by **Great-Ollie** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:37 pm

My opinion in this case is that mods need to re instate his old account with his premium. No need to punish someone who eventually told the truth. I would have never reported him if he had told me who his old account was to be honest. Was actually a really good player so i hope he sticks around.

by **Domination_44** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:24 pm

Shannon Apple wrote:Some people on this site are quite simply a bunch of whiny harassing biatches. There is nothing wrong with reporting a suspected multi - I encourage it. BUT harassing that person non-stop is not on. The mob mentality is ridiculous. IF this player has an account that hasn't been logged into in years, the multi-hunters can confirm this and do something about getting him his old account back/change the username if it's something upsetting to him personally. Leave the guy alone and stop witch hunting him. We all know in this thread that he has an old account and he hasn't denied it.

This one is between the user Zeus and the admins. If I was Zeus, I would just not read this thread anymore.

So well said... I feel so bad for this guy...

Between this and the Tim guy I'm starting to see a trend... There should quite obviously be some sort of option implemented for returning players who want new accounts...!!!

by **Domination_44** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:27 pm

Great-Ollie wrote:My opinion in this case is that mods need to re instate his old account with his premium. No need to punish someone who eventually told the truth. I would have never reported him if he had told me who his old account was to be honest. Was actually a really good player so i hope he sticks around.

I hope this is what happens. I completely agree.

by **TimWoodbury** on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:54 pm

this guy seems to be in the same situation as me used to play left for whatever the reason and decided to come back after years obviously we cant/wont remember the info for the old account so make a new one think of it this way do you remember the info for you myspace account i know i shure the heck dont.

by **Edric Wolfswift** on Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:52 am

TimWoodbury wrote:this guy seems to be in the same situation as me used to play left for whatever the reason and decided to come back after years obviously we cant/wont remember the info for the old account

The difference here is that zeus2012 actually did know his old information, yet chose to create a new account and then tried to act as if he was new.

by **TimWoodbury** on Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:11 am

ahhh i see if he did in fact know his old info then he should have used that

by **clangfield** on Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:42 pm

TimWoodbury wrote:ahhh i see if he did in fact know his old info then he should have used that

Given that we've had a couple of incidents of this within a few days, perhaps the home page needs to have a more obvious link for returning players who can't remember or access their previous account details.

by **BGtheBrain** on Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:47 pm

clangfield wrote:
TimWoodbury wrote:ahhh i see if he did in fact know his old info then he should have used that

Given that we've had a couple of incidents of this within a few days, perhaps the home page needs to have a more obvious link for returning players who can't remember or access their previous account details.

Im not sure when it was removed, but it used to have this when you made an account. I cant imagine there was a logical reason to remove it, but Im sure there is.

by **clangfield** on Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:43 pm

BGtheBrain wrote:
clangfield wrote:
TimWoodbury wrote:ahhh i see if he did in fact know his old info then he should have used that

Given that we've had a couple of incidents of this within a few days, perhaps the home page needs to have a more obvious link for returning players who can't remember or access their previous account details.

Im not sure when it was removed, but it used to have this when you made an account. I cant imagine there was a logical reason to remove it, but Im sure there is.

What it needs, though, is a link to "Had a previous account but can't remember details?" that would raise a ticket automatically.

by **macbone** on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:45 am

Why was that warning removed?

I agree, it needs to be friendlier. Clangfield is right, having a link there to help returning users retrieve their old usernames is really needed.

by **torres44cm** on Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:01 am

Shannon Apple wrote:Some people on this site are quite simply a bunch of whiny harassing biatches. There is nothing wrong with reporting a suspected multi - I encourage it. BUT harassing that person non-stop is not on. The mob mentality is ridiculous. IF this player has an account that hasn't been logged into in years, the multi-hunters can confirm this and do something about getting him his old account back/change the username if it's something upsetting to him personally. Leave the guy alone and stop witch hunting him. We all know in this thread that he has an old account and he hasn't denied it.

This one is between the user Zeus and the admins. If I was Zeus, I would just not read this thread anymore.

I totally agree with Shannon Apple, let the mods do there thing, if this is not harassment, it's definitely flaming the guy. There is a new topic in the forum about New Rules Committee to upgrade/fix the rules, As I see it there two types of multis, those who started over with a new account and those trying to manipulate the scoring system. The multi rule needs to be modernized, so that the player coming back to CC doesn't get crucified for starting over.

by **t4mcr53s2** on Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:33 pm

Beautifully put Shannon +1

by **owenshooter** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:45 am

torres44cm wrote:I totally agree with Shannon Apple, let the mods do there thing, if this is not harassment, it's definitely flaming the guy.

soooo, calling someone out for breaking the first rule of the site is "flaming"? wow... please, pretty, pretty please, explain that one to me... in your world, the entire C&A forum is one big flame fest (avoiding obvious joke here)... however, this is how the C&A works... people post stuff, others comment, add info, etc.. the mod researches... a decision is made. if they did not want user interaction, we would not be able to respond in the forum... "flaming the guy", whatever...-Jn

by **Shannon Apple** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:03 am

It is sorta flaming because Owen, it's none of your business unless you have further evidence. C&A is meant for sorting out cases and giving users a chance to respond with evidence, if any. It's not for posting opinion pieces and witch-hunting. Your whining and being a dick in this thread (without adding any evidence) won't influence the admins' final decision on what happens with his account. The only thing that will influence that is what they find. Like, if you have further evidence, by all means post it. Not that there is any further evidence, he admitted to having an old account. BUT, if you are going to continually post comments that do nothing but harass the user, then you are in-fact flaming.

Basically, what you're doing is spamming. It is not necessary for you to respond to every C&A case, especially when you add nothing valuable to the discussion.

by **Edric Wolfswift** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:54 pm

Shannon Apple wrote: it's none of your business unless you have further evidence. C&A is meant for sorting out cases and giving users a chance to respond with evidence, if any. It's not for posting opinion pieces and witch-hunting.

So... What were you doing when you jumped into the thread to say "Some people on this site are quite simply a bunch of whiny harassing biatches" ?

by **Shannon Apple** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:47 pm

Because that part is true, and was relevant to what was happening here in this thread.

The mentality of people on CC is "kill em, hunt em, burn em! Don't wait to hear them out and leave to them damn higher ups. Get your pitchforks NOW!"

by **Edric Wolfswift** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:33 pm

Sooooo... YOU are entitled to voice YOUR opinion, but others are not? Sounds like self-righteous holier than thou bullshit to me. You are just adding to the problem, not the solution as you claim.

by **Shannon Apple** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:11 pm

Actually, I am not voicing ANY opinion regarding the user in question, or his offenses. I haven't said that he is guilty and should be banned, or that he is innocent. I have said that it needs to be left up to the people who do make these decisions. Some people here want him banned without knowing his full story. I don't even know that, hence why I am annoyed that people are jumping all over it.

Your attitude is very mature, especially the other thread that you made. Nice way of making someone else's case about you. You know anything I say holds as much weight as anything you say, right? I am a low level access volunteer.

I won't be responding to this anymore. I think anything I say past this point will be just repeating myself.

by **king achilles** on Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:53 pm

Since he bought premium for this account, I am hoping to resolve this just to be fair to him instead of outright busting him. Since he has not returned and deadbeated on his games, i will only note this report to keep it in record until or if he returns.

I am also locking this to avoid further heated arguments from some of you.

We do take some reports on a case by case basis and we are open in giving people 2nd chances to correct their mistakes.