NoS's Matrix6 Mafia GAME OVER, SCUM WIN!

[StorrZerg]

mars get your facts right thanks.

i didn't want to hammer end.

[Streaker]

Ok, now I'm confused. I was sure HotShot was mafia. Knowing that he's town, though, here are my reads.

Storr was giving a town vibe for most of the game. Until he thought that he was hammering Vio. I get wanting to hammer Vio, but it was the reaction after that I don't like - he turns around and says he'll hammer anyone (except Potter). I feel like that's him trying to take pressure off of himself, kind of a "hey, I'm not scum because I hammered a townie, because I said I'd hammer anyone". Not wanting to hammer Potter could be protecting a scumbuddy, but I'm not sure he'd be that blatant about it. Either way, though, neutral leaning scum for him.
Streaker is mafia in almost every one of my scenarios. If Storr isn't scumbuddy, he knew that he could get a lynch off End easily enough with Storr's hammer, and if they are scumbuddies, they had their pick of L-2 players (which they could wait until close to deadline, to see if anyone else would make L-1).
Wing I'm still kinda leaning town, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong about that.

For me mafia is within End, IB, and Hotshot. Not because of the individual cases against them, as I have built cases against everyone I think, but because of their reaction to the cases. End continued to dig a hole for himself rather than taking an actual look at why people were objecting. IB got really annoyed with me suggesting that his entire argument against Potter was highly hypocritical, which I still believe to be true. And Hotshot for not bothering to perk up and play town at all.

Doesn't it make more sense for scum to look at why people are objecting and go along with it, rather than continue to "dig a hole" defending their point? Right at this moment, I'm neutral leaning town for you.
Potter plays scummy for the first half of D1, makes one town post, and people start defending him. The night kill could also be to just confirm how wrong those of us who voted HS were and could make a case for us, but that seems like a bit of a stretch. Streaker/Potter pair feels right to me. I think it's likely that you're mafia.
Mtam is town. He could have easily gone with one of the existing cases and built on that if he were scum, but instead he brings new points to the table.
IB it also town, I think. Solid, to-the-point, pro-town posts in my opinion. Though jumping right on my HS vote seems a bit odd, the only pair that would work with is IB/Storr, to try getting enough people to L-1 so Storr can hammer. I think that's pretty unlikely.

Might need to do another read at some point (am still confused about the HS kill - why kill the person who was at L-2?). If I had to vote right this second, I'd vote Streaker, but we have a while to discuss. I want to know what everyone else thinks.

How can you make such an incredible post, call me 99% scum, but don't push me?

Vote mars

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Streaker

How can you post so little in your first post after the night and still vote?

[Streaker]

Vote Streaker

How can you post so little in your first post after the night and still vote?

Because that's all it took to break down Mars' wall of text.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

No thoughts about D1 and N1? No reads on anyone else.

Simply, you called me scum, so I'm going to vote for you?

[Marashu]

How can you make such an incredible post, call me 99% scum, but don't push me?

Vote mars

Um, OMGUS?

I didn't push because I wanted to hear other people's thoughts first, because I don't like voting right out of the gate D2. Now I want to vote you even more. Holding off with the hopes that we can root out your scumbuddy with today's discussion.

[Streaker]

Already said i'd be going after mars on D1. Go reread.

OMGUS? I suppose you could hide behind that. It's very scummy you don't want to push without the other's approval.

[Streaker]

Also, not much time. Probably won't post again until monday.

[StorrZerg]

well just gotta figure out which one of streaker mars is scum easy

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Is it scummy not to vote straight away? Its a bit dangerous to let mafia get an easy hammer early doors.

Seems thats the case Storr, my bets on Streaker.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also, not much time. Probably won't post again until monday.

Fair enough, we'll want to here IB's and Potters thoughts before any lynch anyway. Mtam not back till Friday I believe.

[HotShot53]

Well, I did my job and took a bullet for the town.... I am very surprised I was killed since I thought I could be pressured day 2, and very well could have been lynched. Good luck to the rest of town!

[NoSurvivors]

Vote Count
Mars (1): Streaker
Streaker (1): Wing

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is next monday, June 15th at 10pm EST.

[Iron Butterfly]

My reads so far.

First is it possible that all Town voted End? I find that unlikely.He was hung because he gave his opinion about an extension and he was bludgeoned over the head with it.

Quetions@Storr why did you hammer End when you did not agree with the case/reasoning? Hammering for hammering is stupid. Hotshot though flipping town was by far the better case over End. You could have easily have put HS at L1 ashe had three votes already.

Wing. He has been interesting to me this game. He has been getting under my skin this game because he is new but tries to sound like he is an old pro. He does this by tearing apart anytime someone makes a post and he has commented on pretty much everyone at some point. To me a big scum tell is someone who tries to sew uncertainty. They do that by drawing suspicion on everyone. His top scum where me, End and Hotshot. From my perspective hes batting 0%. Also his bringing to our attention how useless Hotshots death was at least twice struck a chord. Why was he stating this??

Why would mafia kill Hotshot as he was by far the best lynch the next day? I find it hard to believe mafia would lynch HS unless they thought they were being coy by killing someone with no post history and then bring it to our attention. PURE WIFOM on my part but I still find it odd. More experienced mafia would not have targeted HS....just saying.

[Streaker]

I'm up for mass claiming today.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@IB - I see D1 as a information gathering excercise so build cases on everyone based on very little. Its pretty much a crapshoot, but that little bit will always help. If you find me building cases against everyone from D2 onwards then yes lynch me.

@Streaker - Happy to claim, is it not a bit early to reveal to mafia who the Jailkeeper/Cop/Tracker is as they've only had one night so far to investigate and will get killed N2 if claimed? Its 5/2 so we can afford another mislynch to by the investigator some more time.

[Marashu]

I'm up for mass claiming today.

Pros: -1-3 confirmed town.
-knowledge from cop/tracker/jailkeeper
Cons: -mafia hit list.
-no chance at more knowledge N2.
-knowledge from N1 from tracker/jailkeeper may not be useful

It could possibly be worth it if we're in the set-up with cop/doc, since we could have 3/7 confirmed (and on D3, 2/5 confirmed). For any other setup, though, unless they have something worth reporting, I'm not convinced that pros outweigh cons. I'd feel more comfortable with massclaim on D3. If there is a cop and you don't find scum, I hope your confirmed townie is clear in your reads today in case they do hit you N2. I agree with WCG that it's probably too early for this.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If we have a cop/doc then they have a roleblocker, so they will just roleblock the doc and kill the cop. Or did you take this into account with the 3rd confirmed being whoever cop checked last night if they werent roleblocked?

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm up for mass claiming today.

VOTE STREAKER

YOU are either VT or mafia.

What could Town possibly hope to gain by mass claim?

[Streaker]

Catching mafia in a lie

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Can we have Potters thoughts on the game before pushing Streaker to far please. No need to rush this. Wary thats he at L-2 with Mars already pretty much said he'd vote for him.

[Streaker]

Oh right I'm at L-2 already lol.
That's the second time this game.

So you want me to claim?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dont mind. I'm with IB on this that you've already claimed VT or Mafia.

[StorrZerg]

Haha, that would be End!

So far he has made friends with Storr and Hotshot.

So skimming, too? You must be jealous of the town circle being created, but scum is always left out.

Vote Streaker
scum slip. '

mars/hotshot/I town easy win.
wing could be with streaker playing off each other.

Yeah....

[Streaker]

I dont mind. I'm with IB on this that you've already claimed VT or Mafia.

Where did I claim?

Also, you think Mars is town or mafia?