Run first few forum posts past a guide

[clangfield]

Concise description:

• As part of the guide program for new players, encourage them to run their first few posts past their guide before posting

Specifics/Details:

• I don't know if this happens already - the guide program happened after I joined - but does being a guide extend beyond gameplay? We see many C&A posts from new players that are simply due to ignorance of the rules or conventions, and these are sometimes responded to with mockery and/or sarcasm.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• Improve player retention and knowledge by not embarrassing or upsetting new players when they get slagged off for posting naive reports due to misunderstanding of the rules (eg settings, diplomacy, language and abuse) or rejected suggestions (eg resign button)
• Save mods' time in not having to deal with straightforward explanations
• NB The guide should not rule on possible multis or anything that needs noting or warning

[_sabotage_]

Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

[owenshooter]

give it up... you got duped by a lunatic and are now trying to turn this into some sort of "poor confused noob" campaign... aside from your personal investment in one thread that only you seem to be concerned with, this is not practical. many users never view the forums, never visit the forums, never post in the forums. less than 1% of CC users are active in the forums. so, how are you going to force new recruits to post in the forums, when it is clear that many users don't even USE or VISIT the forums? i think CC does a good job explaining the forums, especially the SUGGS and C&A, where forms exist to just fill out and submit. this is not a practical suggestion, because many people are not interested in the forums at all... also, don't most people that use the internet know how to use a forum or have at least seen a forum? no practical use for this, the black jesus deems this fodder for the junk heap...

[*]Improve player retention and knowledge by not embarrassing or upsetting new players when they get slagged off for posting naive reports due to misunderstanding of the rules (eg settings, diplomacy, language and abuse) or rejected suggestions (eg resign button)

again, this user was slagged off because of his abusive and homophobic/bigoted posts in game chat and in PM's to players... the only offense any of them had, was beating him.. you really are taking this single issue with this one single user a bit too far... you were duped, i'm sorry... but you were duped... suck it up, cupcake (as the old cc adage goes) and move on...-Jésus noir
-Jésus noir

[clangfield]

give it up... you got duped by a lunatic and are now trying to turn this into some sort of "poor confused noob" campaign... aside from your personal investment in one thread that only you seem to be concerned with, this is not practical. many users never view the forums, never visit the forums, never post in the forums. less than 1% of CC users are active in the forums. so, how are you going to force new recruits to post in the forums, when it is clear that many users don't even USE or VISIT the forums? i think CC does a good job explaining the forums, especially the SUGGS and C&A, where forms exist to just fill out and submit. this is not a practical suggestion, because many people are not interested in the forums at all... also, don't most people that use the internet know how to use a forum or have at least seen a forum? no practical use for this, the black jesus deems this fodder for the junk heap...

[*]Improve player retention and knowledge by not embarrassing or upsetting new players when they get slagged off for posting naive reports due to misunderstanding of the rules (eg settings, diplomacy, language and abuse) or rejected suggestions (eg resign button)

again, this user was slagged off because of his abusive and homophobic/bigoted posts in game chat and in PM's to players... the only offense any of them had, was beating him.. you really are taking this single issue with this one single user a bit too far... you were duped, i'm sorry... but you were duped... suck it up, cupcake (as the old cc adage goes) and move on...-Jésus noir
-Jésus noir

The Sam Allardyce of CC has spoken...
Yes, it was inspired by that case, but it's far from the only time an inexperienced user has posted something in the forum that could have been dealt with elsewhere. You need to move on and see the wider picture.
I didn't say "force", I said "encourage". Please open your brain and read what I actually wrote. This is not to encourage them to post in a forum, or insist that they do; but if they are thinking of posting an issue, to check with an experienced user before they post it. Got it now? Why do you find that so hard to see as a benefit?
I'm trying to help the site by suggesting something that may make it a friendlier place for all users, especially the newbies, in order to help retain them.
Forget the other issue and concentrate on what has actually been proposed.

[clangfield]

Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

That's a pity.
All I was envisaging is for the guide to say something along the lines of "if you have any questions or you're thinking of posting a cheating or abuse report, please run it by me first" - much like running an email past your boss before sending it.
I've seen people complaining about alliances, and trash talk - that's the sort of thing I'm hoping to avoid having to have the mods waste time just to say "this is allowed, cleared".

[WILLIAMS5232]

hmmmm.

you may be on to something with this suggestion. i could imagine a time when in order to post in the forum one would need some sort of forum license. that way mods could regulate better the content. everyone could go into a four week session and sensitivity training provram to aquire the license. then of you didnt have the license but needed to make a post you could spend some cc credits for a temp. permit.

the more i think about it the better i like this. this could eliminate virtually all posts. we would know that when a post was made, that it would be a very high quality post. plus it would bring in extra income for the site. which is the primary goal anyway.

of course there are many kinks that need to be worked out, but i thonk this is the start of something good.

[owenshooter]

then of you didnt have the license but needed to make a post you could spend some cc credits for a temp. permit.

plus it would bring in extra income for the site. which is the primary goal anyway.

i thonk this is the start of something good.

wait... charge people to post in the forum? *snicker*... that is absolutely absurd... yes, let's make CC the only online gaming site where you have to pay to post OR you have do some 4 week class to post for free... the point of cc is it is a CASUAL GAMING SITE... maybe you have forgotten that... but hey, at a time when the numbers have plummeted from almost 30k to barely 10K, let's start turning this into a site that is no longer CASUAL... and your absurd assumption that if we do this, the post quality will somehow increase, is just asinine.. seems like you want some sort of censorship here to exclude post/posters that aren't up to your standards. what are the moderators for? back to the absurd money comment, less than 1% of CC users even visit the forums, so what kind of money are you going to generate? please tell me. throw out an estimate. please. it is laughable.

this entire thread is about one CC user getting duped by a troll and still beating that dead horse beyond death... there is no way you are ever going to have FORUM GUIDES to assist people with posting in the forums. you do realize this would have to be a 24 hour effort, due to all the time zones and countries involved with CC, right? i guess the site could just up the pay of the moderators to do this... oh... wait... VOLUNTEERS... this is a stupid suggestion that should already be buried under the waste bin...-Jésus noir

[WILLIAMS5232]

then of you didnt have the license but needed to make a post you could spend some cc credits for a temp. permit.

plus it would bring in extra income for the site. which is the primary goal anyway.

i thonk this is the start of something good.

wait... charge people to post in the forum? *snicker*... that is absolutely absurd... yes, let's make CC the only online gaming site where you have to pay to post OR you have do some 4 week class to post for free... the point of cc is it is a CASUAL GAMING SITE... maybe you have forgotten that... but hey, at a time when the numbers have plummeted from almost 30k to barely 10K, let's start turning this into a site that is no longer CASUAL... and your absurd assumption that if we do this, the post quality will somehow increase, is just asinine.. seems like you want some sort of censorship here to exclude post/posters that aren't up to your standards. what are the moderators for? back to the absurd money comment, less than 1% of CC users even visit the forums, so what kind of money are you going to generate? please tell me. throw out an estimate. please. it is laughable.

this entire thread is about one CC user getting duped by a troll and still beating that dead horse beyond death... there is no way you are ever going to have FORUM GUIDES to assist people with posting in the forums. you do realize this would have to be a 24 hour effort, due to all the time zones and countries involved with CC, right? i guess the site could just up the pay of the moderators to do this... oh... wait... VOLUNTEERS... this is a stupid suggestion that should already be buried under the waste bin...-Jésus noir

you see, under my plan a post like this would cause your license to be revoked. it lacks any regard for my feelings. which now to respond to this post you would need 4 weeks of sensitivity training (or 200 conquer bucks) which after a while you would learn what a proper response should look like.

this is a new era of conquer club.

[riskllama]

we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

[owenshooter]

if only Andy had thought of this when he was trying to commit genocide against the forum community... i mean, people would have left in even LARGER droves than they did... the forums are not even a pale comparison of what they are before. they are a ghost. so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course to post in the forums and put those special "forum tokens" in the CC SHOP and let's get on with killing the forums. and if you found my last post offensive, i truly hope you are joking...-Jésus noir

p.s.-take your turn in our game, instead of poking around the forums!!!

[WILLIAMS5232]

we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

yes. and yes. they should have point forgiveness in games too where they do not lose any points to a major or higher rank on any certain map until thay have played it five times. this way more new recruits will stay increasing the bottom line.

[_sabotage_]

we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

yes. and yes. they should have point forgiveness in games too where they do not lose any points to a major or higher rank on any certain map until thay have played it five times. this way more new recruits will stay increasing the bottom line.

I win 7 points off a new recruit and lose 45. This is a great idea, Williams, since I find it so hard to resist playing against anyone with a game up, and I definitely overall lose points playing the lower ranks. This would keep all majors from joining such games.

It would stop me from creating games too. Woohoo.

[WILLIAMS5232]

we should maybe start wiping the asses of new recruits, too.

yes. and yes. they should have point forgiveness in games too where they do not lose any points to a major or higher rank on any certain map until thay have played it five times. this way more new recruits will stay increasing the bottom line.

I win 7 points off a new recruit and lose 45. This is a great idea, Williams, since I find it so hard to resist playing against anyone with a game up, and I definitely overall lose points playing the lower ranks. This would keep all majors from joining such games.

isnt it tho?

[JamesKer1]

viewtopic.php?f=471&t=2796

[owenshooter]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=471&t=2796

sooo, wait... the OP is guilty of doing what he is proposing to keep others from doing? maybe he needs to run his posts past a guide, take a four week class or pay to post...-Jésus noir

[WILLIAMS5232]

so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course

well, it would be a 4 week course. that's 5 days a week, one hour a day.

week 1 would focus on defining what is offensive,
it would cover areas such as bigotry, and even simple name calling. (doo doo head, idiot f*ck face... etc.)

weeks 2 and 3 would cover positive approaches towards understanding the feelings of forum posters that may or may not be familiar with the English language or what proper procedures here at cc are. (such as filing a C&A report for example)

week 4 would cover the basic approach to reply towards a topic with a negative, but polite response that you may disagree with.
such as;
Bill; i rather quite enjoyed that 1v1 escalating game we played today jesse.
Jesse; thanks bill, i enjoyed it as well, but those gosh darn dice just would not give me a chance.
or;
stacey; as much as i enjoy this new layout, i just can't seem to get the dad gum settings right to my tastes.
jack; well stacey, you rascal. i like the layout, maybe we should get together and i can show you what i like about it.

this is the basic layout, a special 2 day section on anger management would be added to week 2 if the student was taking the class for a revoked license at any point.

now, i know what you are going to say. "but, there is noooo way i can afford to take an hour out of each day to take this class!"

so the solution to this would be to create Sensitivity Training Tokens. or STT's. these could be purchased for $2 a piece and be redeemed for one hours worth of class time. so say you just wanted to go straight into the forums you could simply purchase a 20 pack of STT's and slip straight in. but you better watch out, because the mods will be watching for any infractions and may revoke your license again. but there would be no limit to how many times you could take the course using STT's.

and say you no longer cared about posting in the forums anymore because of all the politeness. well, you could simply trade in your leftover STT's for a drab star pack. each STT would be worth 5 drab stars or a halloween pumpkin.

using cc bucks for a one time forum post would not affect your forum license. that would be considered a free pass. that way you could really let some frustration off from time to time and everyone would know that you at least paid a fine to do so. so that would make it alright.

[owenshooter]

so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course

well, it would be a 4 week course. that's 5 days a week, one hour a day.

week 1 would focus on defining what is offensive,
it would cover areas such as bigotry, and even simple name calling. (doo doo head, idiot f*ck face... etc.)

weeks 2 and 3 would cover positive approaches towards understanding the feelings of forum posters that may or may not be familiar with the English language or what proper procedures here at cc are. (such as filing a C&A report for example)

week 4 would cover the basic approach to reply towards a topic with a negative, but polite response that you may disagree with.
such as;
Bill; i rather quite enjoyed that 1v1 escalating game we played today jesse.
Jesse; thanks bill, i enjoyed it as well, but those gosh darn dice just would not give me a chance.
or;
stacey; as much as i enjoy this new layout, i just can't seem to get the dad gum settings right to my tastes.
jack; well stacey, you rascal. i like the layout, maybe we should get together and i can show you what i like about it.

this is the basic layout, a special 2 day section on anger management would be added to week 2 if the student was taking the class for a revoked license at any point.

now, i know what you are going to say. "but, there is noooo way i can afford to take an hour out of each day to take this class!"

so the solution to this would be to create Sensitivity Training Tokens. or STT's. these could be purchased for $2 a piece and be redeemed for one hours worth of class time. so say you just wanted to go straight into the forums you could simply purchase a 20 pack of STT's and slip straight in. but you better watch out, because the mods will be watching for any infractions and may revoke your license again. but there would be no limit to how many times you could take the course using STT's.

and say you no longer cared about posting in the forums anymore because of all the politeness. well, you could simply trade in your leftover STT's for a drab star pack. each STT would be worth 5 drab stars or a halloween pumpkin.

using cc bucks for a one time forum post would not affect your forum license. that would be considered a free pass. that way you could really let some frustration off from time to time and everyone would know that you at least paid a fine to do so. so that would make it alright.

again... CASUAL gaming site...-JN

[Dukasaur]

so, please outline your 4 week mandatory course

well, it would be a 4 week course. that's 5 days a week, one hour a day.

week 1 would focus on defining what is offensive,
it would cover areas such as bigotry, and even simple name calling. (doo doo head, idiot f*ck face... etc.)

weeks 2 and 3 would cover positive approaches towards understanding the feelings of forum posters that may or may not be familiar with the English language or what proper procedures here at cc are. (such as filing a C&A report for example)

week 4 would cover the basic approach to reply towards a topic with a negative, but polite response that you may disagree with.
such as;
Bill; i rather quite enjoyed that 1v1 escalating game we played today jesse.
Jesse; thanks bill, i enjoyed it as well, but those gosh darn dice just would not give me a chance.
or;
stacey; as much as i enjoy this new layout, i just can't seem to get the dad gum settings right to my tastes.
jack; well stacey, you rascal. i like the layout, maybe we should get together and i can show you what i like about it.

this is the basic layout, a special 2 day section on anger management would be added to week 2 if the student was taking the class for a revoked license at any point.

now, i know what you are going to say. "but, there is noooo way i can afford to take an hour out of each day to take this class!"

so the solution to this would be to create Sensitivity Training Tokens. or STT's. these could be purchased for $2 a piece and be redeemed for one hours worth of class time. so say you just wanted to go straight into the forums you could simply purchase a 20 pack of STT's and slip straight in. but you better watch out, because the mods will be watching for any infractions and may revoke your license again. but there would be no limit to how many times you could take the course using STT's.

and say you no longer cared about posting in the forums anymore because of all the politeness. well, you could simply trade in your leftover STT's for a drab star pack. each STT would be worth 5 drab stars or a halloween pumpkin.

using cc bucks for a one time forum post would not affect your forum license. that would be considered a free pass. that way you could really let some frustration off from time to time and everyone would know that you at least paid a fine to do so. so that would make it alright.

again... CASUAL gaming site...-JN

I believe you failed to notice Williams' cheek. The one with the tongue in it.

[clangfield]

Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

That's possible but I think this needs a bit of proactivity. You're relying on a new player to recognise that they need assistance, which some (perhaps most) may feel that they don't because the issue is sufficiently clear for them. It's not so much about use of the forum, as about eliminating posts (and increasing understanding of the issues in a positive and constructive way) that aren't actually cheating or abuse.
One would hope that the response from the guide would be mature and reasoned, rather than the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

[owenshooter]

Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

That's possible but I think this needs a bit of proactivity. You're relying on a new player to recognise that they need assistance, which some (perhaps most) may feel that they don't because the issue is sufficiently clear for them. It's not so much about use of the forum, as about eliminating posts (and increasing understanding of the issues in a positive and constructive way) that aren't actually cheating or abuse.
One would hope that the response from the guide would be mature and reasoned, rather than the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

please go into a certain number of guide games and post such posts as you are claiming occur. i play a great number of guide games and have yet to see anyone say anything mean or non-constructive to a new recruit. soooo, you are pretty much making an assumption that isn't in any way valid... you are making shit up that just isn't factual... as soon as you produce this data, i will agree with you. until then, you are creating data that doesn't exist, to make yourself appear to be correct in this inane quest that you are going on...-Jésus noir

GET 'EM CLANGFIELD!!!!

[clangfield]

Very hard to engage new recruits in chat in the guide games. Maybe get 1/100 that will say anything at all.

I think a help or flag button would potentially be a better way to go about guiding the games. The flag gets sent out to guides and they can give tips, including use of forum.

That's possible but I think this needs a bit of proactivity. You're relying on a new player to recognise that they need assistance, which some (perhaps most) may feel that they don't because the issue is sufficiently clear for them. It's not so much about use of the forum, as about eliminating posts (and increasing understanding of the issues in a positive and constructive way) that aren't actually cheating or abuse.
One would hope that the response from the guide would be mature and reasoned, rather than the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

please go into a certain number of guide games and post such posts as you are claiming occur. i play a great number of guide games and have yet to see anyone say anything mean or non-constructive to a new recruit. soooo, you are pretty much making an assumption that isn't in any way valid... you are making shit up that just isn't factual... as soon as you produce this data, i will agree with you. until then, you are creating data that doesn't exist, to make yourself appear to be correct in this inane quest that you are going on...-Jésus noir

GET 'EM CLANGFIELD!!!!

You should read my posts more than once, until you comprehend what I've actually written. Let's try again.

the puerile sarcasm or macho arrogance than can often greet them in the wider forum.

Did I say anything about responses in guide games? No, I did not.

"you are creating data that doesn't exist"

Again, the irony

[owenshooter]

ohhhh... i am beginning to see your point... one troll got you, so now the entire site has to be restructured so you don't have to admit that you got fooled... ohhhhh, i get it...-Jésus noir

p.s.-at this point i find it comical that you think i am even fully reading your posts.. after being dismissed by admins in C&A, one would think you would have gotten the point...
battle on don quixote, i see few more windmills on the horizon!!!

[clangfield]

ohhhh... i am beginning to see your point... one troll got you, so now the entire site has to be restructured so you don't have to admit that you got fooled... ohhhhh, i get it...-Jésus noir

p.s.-at this point i find it comical that you think i am even fully reading your posts.. after being dismissed by admins in C&A, one would think you would have gotten the point...
battle on don quixote, i see few more windmills on the horizon!!!

No, you don't get it, and I don't think you ever will.
If you're replying to posts without reading them... that pretty much makes my point about the forum. As I said, it's the problem, and you're a very large part of it.
You're so paranoid that you see trolls everywhere.
I suggest you take a break from the forums and get some perspective.

[JamesKer1]

I suggest we all take a break from this thread before things get out of hand

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