Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[Streaker]

vote streaker

@Strike
"The Strike case" referred to Storr's post against you ten pages back, maybe more.

This dude, please lynch him after me, or Ultra please shoot him, twice. He's been trying to get my lynched without any effort of making a case, and now that there are more votes on me he feels comfortable to place his own vote.

[StorrZerg]

@tambo can you yell at your buddy dd5 to stop being an idiot and vote with you

With all these votes at 2 or 3, its very easy for a swing vote to happen "suddenly"

Ok just lynch me. Nobody is even bothering to make a case on my (part for 1 and are just wagoning me shamelesly) so I won't bother defending anymore. I'm surprised this hasn't been noticed more.
Tomorrow look into all who are wagoning me without a reason. Also didn't lie about Ultra block.

Kthx

you should be voting whatsausage if you want to live..

[Streaker]

@tambo can you yell at your buddy dd5 to stop being an idiot and vote with you

With all these votes at 2 or 3, its very easy for a swing vote to happen "suddenly"

Ok just lynch me. Nobody is even bothering to make a case on my (part for 1 and are just wagoning me shamelesly) so I won't bother defending anymore. I'm surprised this hasn't been noticed more.
Tomorrow look into all who are wagoning me without a reason. Also didn't lie about Ultra block.

Kthx

you should be voting whatsausage if you want to live..

That's blackmail.

Then again, I know i'm town and lynching town wont help either. We'll see how things are later today/tomorrow. The wagon on me is funny.

[StorrZerg]

Current votes wasted... and don't do anything


dd515087 (2) - Ultrasplot, ArmyofGod
aage (2) - Hotshot53, Streaker

The 2 main lynches...

Streaker (4) - Pancakemix, dd515087, crasp, aage
whatsausage (3)- mtamburini, Storrzerg, Strikewolf

[StorrZerg]

@tambo can you yell at your buddy dd5 to stop being an idiot and vote with you

With all these votes at 2 or 3, its very easy for a swing vote to happen "suddenly"

Ok just lynch me. Nobody is even bothering to make a case on my (part for 1 and are just wagoning me shamelesly) so I won't bother defending anymore. I'm surprised this hasn't been noticed more.
Tomorrow look into all who are wagoning me without a reason. Also didn't lie about Ultra block.

Kthx

you should be voting whatsausage if you want to live..

That's blackmail.

Then again, I know i'm town and lynching town wont help either. We'll see how things are later today/tomorrow. The wagon on me is funny.

Its not black mail. its called being smart. You are not going to convince 5 people right now to switch votes. you have to little time, and not good enough reasoning to push aage.

So unless you find whatsausage more town than yourself i don't see what option you have.

[aage]

vote streaker

@Strike
"The Strike case" referred to Storr's post against you ten pages back, maybe more.

This dude, please lynch him after me, or Ultra please shoot him, twice. He's been trying to get my lynched without any effort of making a case, and now that there are more votes on me he feels comfortable to place his own vote.

I actually gave some arguments unlike some, and I've said I favoured a lynch on you for ages. I'm voting because I don't like the crying game you're playing. Also, on pointless cases; why is your vote on me?

[aage]

Interesting how Aage is playing. Several times already he's taking heat away from Storr, protecting him. The past times could be credited to a town read, but his blatant protection clame is too much.
What were you hoping to achieve with that claim, Aage?

Especially the 'I'm sure i'm not a healer, I think' was weird at least.

The fact that Storr is first gathering information about whom did what, and THEN starting to claim in bits and parts about what his power is, is just super scummy.

The biggest issue right now is Storr refusing to claim. It's a stretch to think an assassin-like role in the game, at this point it would do you (and especially town) more good then bad to claim.

This was your original case on me, yes? Do you still think Storr is scum? What is your case on me, besides "wacky role" and omgus?

[Streaker]

I'll fire right back at you. What is your case on me?

[aage]

Coincidentally, I was working on it, but I have to leave now unfortunately. Don't have time to rebuild the full argument from memory, but this is the first point:

During D1, you voted Ultra because he was scummy and I fully agree that he was. I followed you into the second wagon. When Ultra claimed that Virus would save him from a lynch, however, you did not put your money where your mouth was. You put it where Ultra's mouth was. You were the only player to vote Ultra by the end of the day though, avoiding a wagon on Town but couldn't be bothered to find a better alternate suspect?

Last post D1:

For the sake of information and clarity, it should be pretty obvious that it will be either one of these 2 that should be lynched today. In case of Ultra lynch I'd like to ask virus to NOT protect him. @Virus, if you protect him we lose the information that we're looking for.

And so sack two townies? WTF?

You have proof they are town? Because they are my top 2 scum.

First post D2:

Now, if we have to look anywhere for vote leads, it should be the virus wagon.

You admitted that you thought Virus was scum before N1. What up.

so was my push against virus scummy? do you disagree with the reasons i had with pushing him? or is this just a case because "i pushed someone that is now dead town"

Not scummy, no. Wrong choice of Ultra/virus. That's scummy, and that's why I feel looking at virus wagon is best at this point.

But Ultra and Virus were your top 2 scum at the end of day 1. How could there have been a wrong choice? And why is it suddenly so bad to have agreed with you on D1?
Are you hiding yourself behind the "safe lynch"-argument?

[StorrZerg]

Why are you not pointing out that streaker wanted to focus on people pushing virus, yet he fails to mention HotShot53 or whatsausage.

[Whatsausage]

K I'm back.

On strike's case: It's very hard to see how he reached his conclusion. There's the pressuring of ultra, but a lot of Strike's statements are "well, that's not so bad" or "nothing wrong here" or "I like this post". I went in fully expecting to be convinced, but I don't really see anything that warranted such a tome, especially when strike actually said so little. That said, I'd add his push on dd to that (though he's since back off of that), making it two counts pressuring basically confirmed townies. I'm still not really moved.

I had the same thoughts myself as I read it, "why am I the best target?" There seemed to be a lot of things he thought of as town, and despite going in saying he would try to be neutral (admitted that may not work) it definitely appears to me that he is either placing a bigger stock into what he thought my scum things were than he felt to say, or... I don't know

I'll post the condensed version tonight. I wasn't so much trying to sway everyone as give a full view of the information. Mainly the case I have against Whatsausage is despite seeming more town at the beginning, I feel his initial vote against Ultra D1 felt forced, he never really even acknowledged talks about PCM and Storr day 1 which were fairly prevalent and his only comments about the AoG case were mostly directed at Mtam and not anything that AoG did. At the end of Day 1, his vote against Virus felt like it was left on as an afterthought not a strong push. Day 2, he went hard on the "Ultra isn't confirmed town route" which I still view as kind of a distraction, he never really weighed in on the case against you or Hotshot. His comments in that regard were mostly that because of game mechanics, one of you was probably scum and the other one of you saved MTam. He never gave a reason for which one he preferred and instead pressured Streaker but even on that he never really felt like he pressed that hard against streaker. He later went on to vote DD who I feel is the scummier push right now for reasons you mentioned above. Finally, a part of mafia is determining who is just inactive and who is either scummarining or inactive scum who make bad plays because of their limited time. I am starting to feel that WhatSausage is the latter. Compared to other inactives in this game who have generally tried to make some kind of push against someone, he has been much more reserved and even DD who was his strongest push didn't feel like he was adding anything new or even pressing that strongly. His early and mid day 1 play did seem townie to me but that is the time where it is easier to hide.

So it appears the case on me is for a lack of case-making. Yeah, I can see that. Also the interpretation of what type of inactive I was. I would say I had been "just inactive" because my "bad plays" were either pushing in the wrong place or not pushing hard enough. I will admit that I haven't had any large pushes in this game, and that is related to me occasional inactivity (I think my two inactive points were the end of D1 and the middle of D2. Granted that is two too many, but I think I have done a decent job of posting at least once a day other than those two times.)
As for the cases I didn't address: The storr and pcm D1 "case" really seemed more like a dick fighting competition to me, not really either actually believing that the other was scum. More pushed out of frustration with each other and the way they play the game.
The storr vs hotshot situation: By the time I returned from my D2 haitus, this situation had totally changed into all of them claiming. So at this point, had I addressed the arguments between the two, I think it is just as likely that I would be accused of "causing a distraction"
As for still questioning ultra: I was once again playing the skeptic. Changing alignments definitely can happen in the case of lovers when only one dies.

[StorrZerg]

The point of strikes posts, was that day 1 you played somewhat ok. You said agreeable stuff.
Day 2, he shows how things changed. How uninvolved you had been in the dealings that happened today, who you pushed.
I showed why your case against ultra/virus was bad, and pushed for poor reasons that didn't really have to do with you thinking he was scum.

, I think it is just as likely that I would be accused of "causing a distraction"

thanks for showcasing a mafia trait, of being "worried" how you would appear. If your town, you shouldn't need to worry how you look, that isn't a concern, its more important for you to be getting your opinion out. Its only a distraction if you don't say anything that progresses the game. If its clearly just a distraction, something you can easily avoid by judging the situation and giving your opinion.

Even with avoiding this, because you don't find it relevant to comment, can be fine yet you don't really comment on much day 2 at all, there had been plenty of things to discuses, plenty of pointed arguments against people.

@ultra, should be very clear right now that the case of ultra vs streaker, is a lot more interesting than what you stated earlier. Since it is causing people to give there stance on the situation, Look at who is pushing streaker, vs who is pushing whatsausage.

[Army of GOD]

What was the point of the extension? There aren't any particularly strong cases against anyone so we just got extra time to twiddle our thumbs.

Anyway, I'd be ok either a Streaker or Whatsausage lynch at this point. I mentioned in this post that I thought they were purposely laying low and while they've posted more I haven't really been moved by their recent posts. It all just seems very conservative and not trying to take any chances.

I'll unvote vote Streaker

[StorrZerg]

Really? We get the extra time which is allowing us to avoid lynching within the lovers and the people who visited mtamb. Since its highly unlikely more than 1 mafia visited mtamb. Much better odds of hitting mafia by going after the other 5...

[Zivel]

Is anyone else feeling really uncomfortable about the speed of which the streaker lynch has built up? We stuff around for a whole day and getting a few claims and such and come up with a plan and boom 5 people on streaker on what case? I think I was the first to really put a case together on him and it sucked, not as bad as my dd5 case but still was pretty weak. I am going to have to reread but just seems a bit unnerving.

VOTE whatsausage

[StorrZerg]

well... of the people with bad votes unplaced votes...

I think dd5 will switch to whatsausage (thats a big swing since he is on streaker atm)

Regardless of that, it doesn't seem that whatsausage is taking this lynch that seriously.
Its also surprising that streaker isn't pressuring whatsausage to save his own skin.

[crasp]

Is anyone else feeling really uncomfortable about the speed of which the streaker lynch has built up?

Yep. Me. i have had streaker on my scum list since the beginning but there has never really been a vote on him or thats where my cross would have went. Didnt see the point of starting a maverick vote day one while the pressure was on other players so i waited till i saw the PCM vote then added mine.
Since then I am having second thoughts, firstly with his response to aage

vote streaker

@Strike
"The Strike case" referred to Storr's post against you ten pages back, maybe more.

This dude, please lynch him after me, or Ultra please shoot him, twice. He's been trying to get my lynched without any effort of making a case, and now that there are more votes on me he feels comfortable to place his own vote.

And now that vote from AOG. I had AOG on my scum list as well but was way back at the beginning of day 2 and left my notes at work. i am going to go back and read the beginning of day 2 again.

[StorrZerg]

Ok, the big thing that is itching me on streaker being town. His claim.

Ah f*ck. I really didn't want to lynch HotShot. However I cannot accept his jailkeeper claim.
Will read thoroughly today, especially the case on him.

For his claim alone, however, I'm willing to hammer him (still plenty to deadline).

Takes a very strong stance on the claim of hotshot, very which strongly indicates he plans to counter claim. Since, hotshots role is usually considered more of a townie role.

Not quite. Yet it would be hard to believe both jailkeeper and roleblocker are in the same allignment.

I know that usually roleblocker is mafia alligned, but I would never claim this, at this point, from a mafia perspective. I have a good feeling this will bust HotShot (or prove that the mod sucks at balance.)

Which he backs up with a following post. This post imo comes form a town sided player more than a mafia sided because of how he words the counter claim. Generally, if you are a mafia role blocker, even if a town blocker claims, you really don't want to out yourself for a 1 for 1. That role is just not that much of a threat in towns hand, when you are sure there are informative roles, and protective roles which can prove to me much more troublesome.

Secondly we have his stance on the situation, "he knows roleblocker is mafia alligned" Usually mafia don't want to admit something like this in a counter claim, specially since it weakens the counter claim to state something like this. Town, even with mafia sided roles are usually more forthcoming with this kind of information. Note, like zivel in game of thrones mafia was a role that was immune to checks of all kinds, yet was town. A mafia would never want to admit having this kind of power, since it throws huge suspicion on the player. The same goes for how streaker is acting with this claim. Yet, zivel announces this information, since its helpful for the rest of town to know this. And as a town person, you know you are clean, thus how you portray this information comes from a more innocence kind of claim, which imo is harder to fake as mafia.

This matches with how streaker claimed, could he have faked it? sure. But we go down the road of what does streaker have to gain from this counter claim. I see more to gain if a kill had been placed on mtamb, because they (mafia) want the removal of a protective role. Since we are more inclined that that hasn't happened, it seems less likely that a mafia counter claims on something unknown, even with hotshot being a protective role since hotshot could still very well be lynched in this situation. I think streaker, doesn't counter claim as mafia vs hotshot, and pushes him instead. More of a "sudden change".

This is the major reason why i believe streaker is not the best case for a lynch.

[dd515087]

well... of the people with bad votes unplaced votes...

I think dd5 will switch to whatsausage (thats a big swing since he is on streaker atm)

Regardless of that, it doesn't seem that whatsausage is taking this lynch that seriously.
Its also surprising that streaker isn't pressuring whatsausage to save his own skin.

I will switch to whatsausage to avoid any possible vote manipulations/redirectors acting. That does not remove Streaker from my scum list though

[anamainiacks]

Hmm, Storr makes a good point on Streaker and his first reaction to HotShot's claim. It does seem like an honest first reaction, where he's questioning the possibility of a roleblocker and jailkeeper having the same alignment. It could've been that he had been planning from the start to claim town roleblocker and this threw a wrench in his plans... but at this point this does cast reasonable doubt on the Streaker case.

I disagree that a scum Streaker counterclaim would've been a straight up 1 for 1 trade though. It's pretty easy to play the "we don't know the game's balance" card, especially with the uncertainty currently surrounding the 3 lover pairs as well. So he could've offed a protective role while having some sort of a case to miss the next lynch.

so was my push against virus scummy? do you disagree with the reasons i had with pushing him? or is this just a case because "i pushed someone that is now dead town"

Not scummy, no. Wrong choice of Ultra/virus. That's scummy, and that's why I feel looking at virus wagon is best at this point.

But Ultra and Virus were your top 2 scum at the end of day 1. How could there have been a wrong choice? And why is it suddenly so bad to have agreed with you on D1?
Are you hiding yourself behind the "safe lynch"-argument?

Even though I didn't vote for either Ultra or virus, I still agree that between the two, voting for Ultra would've been the better option. But again, this goes back to the low/high risk argument that's been debated, and not agreed upon (not that it really matters a whole lot at this point). However, my point is, pushing for an Ultra lynch versus a virus lynch is indeed pretty different, and Streaker calling out Storr for that doesn't contradict Streaker's words on D1.

I have stated before that the Whatsausage and Streaker lynches are the ones I'm most in favour of today. So between the 2 lynches most likely to happen, I'm more in favour of a Whatsausage lynch over a Streaker one. And yes, the fact that the votes on Streaker went from 2 to 5 in less than 3 hours - without being substantiated much - is alarming. Vote Whatsausage. Would be great if he could make his full claim quickly.

FP'ed by dd.

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Streaker (5) - Pancakemix, aage, ArmyofGod, Crasp, dd515087
aage (2) - Hotshot53, Streaker
Whatsausage (5) - mtamburini, Storrzerg, Zivel, Strikewolf, Anamainiacks
dd515087 (1) - Ultrasplot
Skoffin (1)-Kwanton
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Currently a Run off Between Whatsausage and Streaker would take Place at deadline.
This will be the last VC from me today.

[StorrZerg]

so 2 people no votes (1 is tfo who is getting replaced or mod killed)

and 3 people with useless votes.
(streaker hotshot ultra) considering how close this lynch is atm. still up in the air...

[HotShot53]

Sorry, I've had a busy couple days... I've been wanting to go back and look at how aage's claim evolved, see if it is a suspicious as I originally thought. I know he's not getting lynched today, but there is always tomorrow.

I also have to read up on streaker/whatsausage in more detail. I am leaning more towards whatsausage at the moment from memory, but have to re-read later tonight to give actual opinions on the cases.

In the meantime though, I will unvote, vote whatsausage That should put him at L-2, and time for him to claim so we have all the facts on the table before deciding which of them to lynch. (This isn't a final vote, but before deciding which to have my vote on for day end a claim from whatsausage would help)

[mtamburini]

@tambo can you yell at your buddy dd5 to stop being an idiot and vote with you

With all these votes at 2 or 3, its very easy for a swing vote to happen "suddenly"

Ok just lynch me. Nobody is even bothering to make a case on my (part for 1 and are just wagoning me shamelesly) so I won't bother defending anymore. I'm surprised this hasn't been noticed more.
Tomorrow look into all who are wagoning me without a reason. Also didn't lie about Ultra block.

Kthx

you should be voting whatsausage if you want to live..

I dont control him lmfao but streaker giving up is reading mafia to me. When he says he really did roleblock her I feel it was genuine but as mafia roleblocker. I think both wagons are on mafia so I dont really care.

[strike wolf]

Mtam have you asked the mod if your revival would work if ou were targeted for a kill?