Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[pancakemix]

Shit I call you out and you respond damn.

I'm not being lynched because of my partial claim is confirmed.

And i will be expected to provide further information tomorrow regardless.

So you can yell at me all you want. I'm not claiming my flavor.

No, I made a post four pages before this one and you, as far as I can tell, didn't even read. I'm just fed up with your douchebaggery.

As for your flavor claim, it's a matter of speaking from a position of authority. Partial claim confirmed, whatever, but if your flavor is a villain and you're hiding that then we have no way of knowing. You really have nothing to lose from putting it forward and plenty to lose if you do not.

Thus the most likely solution is that aage action failed to go to mtamb. (thus not picked up) (blocked)
Or his action was redirected to someone else. (that power targeting aog, and changing where he goes to someone else)
or option 3, he is a liar.

That makes zero sense. Did you see him or didn't you?

I'm with AoG here. As scum he had nil reason to say he visited mtam. aage, however, claims the most impossible to check role ever (33%? lol) which also has the most impossible to control role ever (lol you try to vig mafia and actually bg them) so he is actually an excellent sacrifice in the event that he is town. It is in our favor to lynch a very scummy person, and if indeed they are town, I will have quite some information for the shots.

Why do you disregard AoG?
Or perhaps Storr is no watcher. Perhaps you two are at MYLO and need only a mislynch to win as my shots are misdirected at the moment. How do you know mtam was shot? There are 15 roles alive in this game and none are VT's. There are bound to be more people targeted by two. My case stands.

The problem is not that aage is lying about it at all. Aage has no idea whether or not he visited mtam. That bit of info lies with Storr. You can't tie it to aage because his unpredictable action is just that: unpredictable.

you think the game is at mylo ultra rofl.

...pretty sure he didn't say that.

Somehow I forgot to factor in AoG's N1 Night Action into the entire mix of things. The party/parties effected by this will be notified of the change in their night action results.

Goddammit rish

Unvote

I think PCM has looked a bit dodgy this day and would be worth a look.

That's because no one reads the few posts I have time to make.

PCM has been a bit dodgy

K listen, I know you're town but we talked about this parroting thing.

its not.
prefer strike/pcm

Nah, nevermind Vote Storr

Not actually, though. Just because he's a douche. Unvote

He's making a concerted effort to off some of the best players and hamstring the rest by outting their powers, and basically doing so because we don't like that he's being a douche. I realize I waste a lot of my time on this site, but if I can't stop to have a real life for two weeks because some asshole doesn't like that I'm not posting at all hours it just isn't fun anymore. I'd say don'r shoot me but I almost feel like it'd be a blessing in disguise.

Zivel make up your damn mind who you're voting.

There's still nothing confirming Storr is town, just that he's a watcher. There's nothing to suggest HotShot is mafia, but his case on aage is pretty terrible. Also, no one really seems to understand aage's role and I thought it was pretty clear. AoG coming out looks fine, and even when it was he said/she said with Storr, AoG looked better (not even biased on that one, seriously )

Streaker sheeped the aage vote and I've been suspicious about him since D1, so Vote Streaker for now.

[rishaed]

Quick Mod Note: Extension has been granted.
Also: N2 (since it will be over Thanksgiving, and I like many others am busy during that time) will last until Sat/Sunday.
Deadline is now the 23rd.

[StorrZerg]

trying to be civil... so only correcting wrong assumptions and responding to relevant things you say.

That makes zero sense. Did you see him or didn't you?

This was corrected.. which you should know, so i'm not sure why you even have this posted.
at the time, no i didn't see AoG obviously. Then i was informed i had...

The problem is not that aage is lying about it at all. Aage has no idea whether or not he visited mtam. That bit of info lies with Storr. You can't tie it to aage because his unpredictable action is just that: unpredictable.

Wrong. aage had every indication he knew he visited mtamb, since he submited that name. Hence, why he claimed to be at mtambs. If he had no idea he was at mtambs, he wouldn't have claimed before me. After clarified, it seems that aage, knows exactly what his role does, he is just unsure if it actually works.

...pretty sure he didn't say that.

Or perhaps Storr is no watcher. Perhaps you two are at MYLO and need only a mislynch to win as my shots are misdirected at the moment. How do you know mtam was shot? There are 15 roles alive in this game and none are VT's. There are bound to be more people targeted by two. My case stands.

He's making a concerted effort to off some of the best players and hamstring the rest by outting their powers, and basically doing so because we don't like that he's being a douche. I realize I waste a lot of my time on this site, but if I can't stop to have a real life for two weeks because some asshole doesn't like that I'm not posting at all hours it just isn't fun anymore. I'd say don'r shoot me but I almost feel like it'd be a blessing in disguise.

My actions forced the claim of 1 person. (hotshot) aage volunteered that on his own. AoG, again volunteered his information on his own. Some of the "best players" could be mafia.

You know how i play, you know from experience what happens when you push me, when I'm town. I fight tooth and nail, every step of the way. So don't complain that you don't have a life, when you start pushing me, knowing i throw everything back, including the kitchen sink. This is a game, a game. I don't want to be ruining peoples experience, no more than i want my experience ruined. As you have noticed, when called out for insulting, doing something bothersome etc. I try to make changes to better help the atmosphere. Note, how i'm presenting cases, using less "confusing" color, notice i don't personally attack a player that much any more. (yes i will still attack posts since that is different). So, i respectfully ask that you stop personally insulting me.

There's still nothing confirming Storr is town, just that he's a watcher. There's nothing to suggest HotShot is mafia, but his case on aage is pretty terrible. Also, no one really seems to understand aage's role and I thought it was pretty clear. AoG coming out looks fine, and even when it was he said/she said with Storr, AoG looked better (not even biased on that one, seriously )

most of what you say is true. yet, my actions are up for debate and to be judged. Specifically how i went about trying to trap hotshot. While there is nothing concert saying he lied, i still believe he has played scummy, he still is avoiding giving his 2 town reads. I agree that his case was on aage. (you seem to not understand aage's role, so maybe it isn't that unbelievable that other people are confused by it). I agree aog coming out looks fine.

@pcm why not whatsausage. and could you talk about what motivation as scum, does he have to block ultra?

[StorrZerg]

vote whatsausage

[strike wolf]

So I asked the mod if roleblocks on kills or successful protections against kills would be shown in scene flavor. He answered yes. This would appear to mean that there was only one kill attempt last night. It also would suggest that none of the people who visited Mtam were scum trying to kill him. Likewise it makes it less likely that Mtam sent in any kills last night.

I asked a follow up question about whether cult recruiting would be included in the scene but have not yet received any answers.

[StorrZerg]

So I asked the mod if roleblocks on kills or successful protections against kills would be shown in scene flavor. He answered yes. This would appear to mean that there was only one kill attempt last night. It also would suggest that none of the people who visited Mtam were scum trying to kill him. Likewise it makes it less likely that Mtam sent in any kills last night.

I asked a follow up question about whether cult recruiting would be included in the scene but have not yet received any answers.

is this something he does in his previous games?

[StorrZerg]

The night was peaceful. The fake photographer was gone, through sickness, absence or otherwise. Gone, gone for good. The night hung on edge, waiting for something to happen. But not all was tense that night. A knock on a door, the man opened a crack peering out. "Who is it?" in quiet the gruff tone. A jovial voice replied, "Why don't you open up a bit more so you can see!" When the door opened a bit more the man presented a drink. "I am persuaded he said that just a bit of my special mix will make you much happier! Here I will show you that it isn't poisoned!" Taking a sip he passed it to the man in the house, and they soon became comrades. As the man walked home he tensed, remembering the fate of another the previous night. But no gunshots no dead appeared that night. In fact, when the sun arose they were all still there.
D3 Start!

Slowly and Surely, the light disappeared and the sun in the distance set. Instead of the vibrant display of colors, it was all shades of grey, but one shade of grey less. The world had lost some more of its vibrancy and diversity, and as some mourned others rejoiced and schemed some more. Slowly the darkness set in, and the world truly became alive. Those who would not do anything overt during the day became active and destructive at night. And those who knew the power also rose in the chances of the hope of a new day. Night Scene END.

As the night progressed one color was the focus, he noticed not only the people stalking him, but also a familiar face in the night. Before he could greet him he was thrown out of the way and replaced with another bystander. Just then the stalker began to swallow the bystander, but before the witness noticed him he disappeared in the night. Noticing the small splotch of shaded color the stranger begins to lay hold and shade some of the surrounding areas. It worked and he brought the shade to a nearby area where he slowly disappeared. Satisfied with his deed he returned and slept for the night.
Somewhere else a curiosity piqued a color. A unnatural shade appeared, something he never saw before, as he approached he was swallowed and screaming disappeared from the world.
Djfireside Grey Vanilla Townie has been killed.
That same unnatural shade slunk through a keyhole, and chuckling inserted a new rule unbeknownst to the moderator. It would disappear at the end of the day, but woe is he who breaks the rule.
Mod Note: You may only refer to colors, such as blue in their HEXADECIMAL values. ex the color that he voted was #0000BF. (You may not use the name of any color, just the hexadecimal value of said color.

Seems like he did it in one of his games

The second paragraph a succesful save happened, and you can see that 2 kills happened, 1 was a save.

not really sure what the save was in the first one.


But this does match the mods "mod style" knowing this ahead of time i would of had no reason to make the play i did today sigh :/ ........................................................................................................................

With knowing this, there is probably some delayed killing role, arsonist, poisoner idk. Still doesn't explain why virus is dead. (almost laughable why he died tbh)

So the flavor of the game might point to cult /cults (barf)

[mtamburini]

IIRC I wanted to lynch someone and force him to revive someone to prove himself, if we had EXACT cc lovers he would flip as scum when revived someone and I would've forced mafia to kill themselves which is TROLOLOL.

This has worked in a clan game where someone claimed priest I think or a role where you cannot case the last vote on someone so I made him test it by hammering himself. LMFAO

FPD storr

[StorrZerg]

well the good thing is, i can't be anti town 3rd party. so at least i have that going for me. (confirmed fyi)

[aage]

The problem is not that aage is lying about it at all. Aage has no idea whether or not he visited mtam. That bit of info lies with Storr. You can't tie it to aage because his unpredictable action is just that: unpredictable.

Wrong. aage had every indication he knew he visited mtamb, since he submited that name. Hence, why he claimed to be at mtambs. If he had no idea he was at mtambs, he wouldn't have claimed before me. After clarified, it seems that aage, knows exactly what his role does, he is just unsure if it actually works.

Actually pcm is right. I knew I targeted Mtamb, but I didn't know if my drunk ass would actually arrive there if my action failed. When I asked you to confirm/deny, I sent the mod a pm with the question whether I would show on watcher report regardless of whether I successfully used my role, he replied "yes". My role was vague to me before you confirmed my visitation, since only at that point I started asking more (specific) questions. Hence why my role "evolved" throughout those posts. I would say pcm understands perfectly what happened. The only thing I would change is the phrase "Aage has no idea..." --> "Aage had no idea...". I was under the impression that Rish wanted me to figure out what my role did all by myself (how, i don't know), but when you claimed to see me visit, I pushed him for answers and he gave them.

Strike, great call on asking the mod for info on the night scene. I hope you don't mind that I will ask the mod too for confirmation, but this is very useful information. If there is a mafia, they targeted Ultra for some reason.

[StorrZerg]

i bet it might be something like "turns out even if virus was shot at night, still had the option to save ultra" and mafia got fucked over

That still points to streaker looking better since he targeted ultra.

[StorrZerg]

@Whatsausage you should be scared

a little birdy told me you are up to no good

[HotShot53]

i bet it might be something like "turns out even if virus was shot at night, still had the option to save ultra" and mafia got fucked over

That still points to streaker looking better since he targeted ultra.

Streaker claimed he visited ultra... his reasoning made sense, but it's not proven that he actually did, as ultra had no action last night.

The problem is not that aage is lying about it at all. Aage has no idea whether or not he visited mtam. That bit of info lies with Storr. You can't tie it to aage because his unpredictable action is just that: unpredictable.

Wrong. aage had every indication he knew he visited mtamb, since he submited that name. Hence, why he claimed to be at mtambs. If he had no idea he was at mtambs, he wouldn't have claimed before me. After clarified, it seems that aage, knows exactly what his role does, he is just unsure if it actually works.

Actually pcm is right. I knew I targeted Mtamb, but I didn't know if my drunk ass would actually arrive there if my action failed. When I asked you to confirm/deny, I sent the mod a pm with the question whether I would show on watcher report regardless of whether I successfully used my role, he replied "yes". My role was vague to me before you confirmed my visitation, since only at that point I started asking more (specific) questions. Hence why my role "evolved" throughout those posts. I would say pcm understands perfectly what happened. The only thing I would change is the phrase "Aage has no idea..." --> "Aage had no idea...". I was under the impression that Rish wanted me to figure out what my role did all by myself (how, i don't know), but when you claimed to see me visit, I pushed him for answers and he gave them.

Strike, great call on asking the mod for info on the night scene. I hope you don't mind that I will ask the mod too for confirmation, but this is very useful information. If there is a mafia, they targeted Ultra for some reason.

I hope you (and the mod) doesn't mind that I asked for confirmation also... no offense aage, but I wanted to hear for myself, since this would basically clear you of putting in a kill last night. (which was my current theory)

I have a few tinfoil hat possibilities why scum may have targeted ultra (who was theoretically then saved by virus)... not sure any of them are probable enough to actually put out there though, since they aren't exactly provable.

[UltrasPlot]

I spy a mafia wagon on dd...

I THINK what happened was:
Vig shot me, Virus saved me, he died
Mafia then attempted to kill Virus, but he was already dead, due to the traditional rendering of vig prio > mafia prio, since mafia must have been comprised of IDIOTS to not kill last night.
I agree with pressure on whatsausage.
Unvote
Lynch Whatsausage

[strike wolf]

Not sure what to make of that post. Well the thing is the fact that saves are included could mean that Ultra wasnt targeted at all and Virus was the target (cant remember who but I know at least one person suggested this earlier). So why might there be only one kill?

A. There is a cult and recruiting flavor isnt shown in scene. Maybe. I dont know for sure that cult information wouldnt but if Rishaed wanted to keep cult completely hidden that would be a definite option.

B. There is only one killing faction.

C. There is two scum faction (sk, cult or mafia. 2 f the three) but one of them were inactive last night.

Right now I would lean between A and C.

What this information means. It leans credence to the idea that Aage is town since we can now safely say that he wasnt there to kill mtam. It also provides further credence that Hotshot is telling ay least some of the truth. It is reasonably neutral on storr since it was already established he was there to watch mtam. It also speaks positively for AoG as it proves he wasnt there to kill Mtam. It speaks favorably for Mtam since it proved he did not send in any kills.

@Aage: go ahead. In fact it might not be a bad idea to get the answers in thread for everyone to see.

[strike wolf]

Ebwop: I said killing faction, I meant scum faction.

[Whatsausage]

Here they come, and the only reason so far is a birdy... I figured this would happen soon, with all the people repeating me as possible scum with no reason given. Hear something enough times and it becomes the truth.
So if anyone "pressuring" me would like to talk about why, I'm willing.

Good thinking strike, I would've never considered that, so this more or less clears aog, aage, and hotshot of being killers.

So my targets are down to dd and streaker. Oh wait, mtam has finally claimed to be lovered to dd. So this gives some more credence to dd (at least for now, I'd still like to see mtam use his revival power to prove himself. If he doesn't, I say he and dd are suspicion #1 for tomorrow) so I will unvote

and that just leaves streaker... Probably where my vote will land soon

FP'd by strike

[StorrZerg]

point regarding who was targeted i can agree with strike.
ultra was never the target, it was always virus. thus why there was nothing in the flavor, about virus laying down his life for ultra.

take a look into whatsausage strike.

[StorrZerg]

Here they come, and the only reason so far is a birdy... I figured this would happen soon, with all the people repeating me as possible scum with no reason given. Hear something enough times and it becomes the truth.
So if anyone "pressuring" me would like to talk about why, I'm willing.

Good thinking strike, I would've never considered that, so this more or less clears aog, aage, and hotshot of being killers.

So my targets are down to dd and streaker. Oh wait, mtam has finally claimed to be lovered to dd. So this gives some more credence to dd (at least for now, I'd still like to see mtam use his revival power to prove himself. If he doesn't, I say he and dd are suspicion #1 for tomorrow) so I will unvote

and that just leaves streaker... Probably where my vote will land soon

FP'd by strike

you forgot to include my name in can't be a killer...

i'll throw down some light accusation. Day 1 you pushed ultra then virus. Then stayed on virus.
In particular i don't like why you pushed virus.

So to answer storr's question from a while back, today I would like us to lynch one of the lovers. My choice right now would be virus. With all the conspiracy theories about why virus can sacrifice himself to save a ultra (just a mason?) it seems likely that it is a bunch of phooey (e.g. they are lying scum lovers), ultra would gain a power from that, or virus would somehow flip town in hiding a scum ultra. All their stories just don't add up for me. Vote virus I know there is a chance that we would lose two townies from this, but I don't think they are and even if they are, we would really just be losing two almost-vanilla's that were tied together anyway.

you don't actually call out any of his actions as scummy. in fact just glancing at your posting, i don't think you mention virus actions as scummy ever.

Lack of activity, disagreement on reads, etc etc etc. nothing.

[strike wolf]

I am reading up. Still on his day 1 play.

[rishaed]

Mod Note: Scene is Scene Flavor is Flavor. I put in what I want, what is important, and write it how I like it. Like 5 of you have asked questions about the scene like Im your new goldmine. I get it, I get it, but please use your heads on the scenes. Its a part of mafia. I'mma gonna stay silent for the next little bit. If you have role questions feel free to ask them, but no more setup/scene questions. I might have answered some considering it common knowledge, but apparently it isn't so...

[dd515087]

PCM has been a bit dodgy

K listen, I know you're town but we talked about this parroting thing.

I was simply agreeing. I also said I think whatsausage and crasp are scummier. Just quick thoughts.

Also, I skimmed through the last bit, may not get a chance to do a thorough read through until much later or even tomorrow.

[StorrZerg]

Rishaed you can't just make a post like this.


You state flavor is flavor which in general means it has no relationship to the game.

Yet at the same time you state you put stuff into the scene you deem important. Since this is very open to interpretation.

I asked several questions and you didn't give a response to any.

You have to stop assuming what is general knowledge that we should know.

If something is general knowledge and people asked about it. Just go ahead and say it.

There have been many games lately where there is no game relevant information in the flavor of a scene. And if information pertaining to the game it is not included in the flavor.

So if a blocked kill, or a successful save can be in the flavor, that's general knowledge that should be known.

[anamainiacks]

Apologies for my inactivity - swamped with submission of assignments, which happen to come all at once. There's been a lot to digest, so my thoughts aren't entirely processed at the moment. But unvote, since that was from way back, before anyone even claimed.

Thanks, strike, for asking mod about scene flavour and kills/saves. Definitely puts the entire situation in a new light. It certainly clears the players involved (HotShot, Storr, aage, AoG, mtam) from having made any kill attemps, though still doesn't necessarily clear their alignments.

My quick impressions for the names being thrown out now:

1. HotShot. Caught the many curved balls Storr threw his way. I was skeptical of his claim at first, thought he could be a mafia roleblocker claiming town jailer, but AoG's lack of information from his action does seem to support the jailer claim. Has handled the pressure on him pretty well. Leaning town.

2. Storr. His role is confirmed, that's for sure, but I'm still uncertain about the alignment. I'm not sure how common mafia trackers are though? I remember someone mentioning that it's rare, but possible. Even though bringing so much attention onto himself might seem like a bad play for mafia, it could've been also a grand way to confirm his role and earn potential town points. I find this more unlikely than him being town though. For now, neutral with slight town.

3. AoG. Volunteered the information that he was a 3rd visit on mtam, even though he could've happily lied under the radar and let that slip. I don't think scum would've made the move he did. Leaning town.

4. aage. I'm fine with the way he started finding out more information on his role as he thought to ask. We've clearly seen that the mod can make mistakes... heh. I'm still slightly curious as to why he said he was certain that he didn't have a healing action when he first claimed though. Overall I'm highly inclined to believe his role, seeing the way it was claimed. And if it were a fake claim, I don't see why scum would take the route he did - keep changing his claim. Only draws more unnecessary attention to himself. And it seems far too detailed to be a fake claim, IMO. Leaning town.

5. Streaker. Interesting way he claimed... Could've been scum unsure of whether to quickly claim now, and point to the uncertainty and potential unbalanced nature of this game when he ever got under pressure, rather than risk being under fire he thought he might face if he claimed only later on. Claimed to roleblock ultra, but we have no way of verifying this. Everyone has analysed his choice of player to roleblock, and mentioned that it seemed town indicative, but not many have questioned whether what he says is even true. Haven't had the time to read into his posts, so I'll admit that this is based off general impression more than analysing posts. Leaning scum.

6. dd. His posts of late haven't been as strong as before. I'm not so convinced of him being town, but I still feel inclined to believe his claim. Him being paired as Lovers with mtam also lets us see where things go with the revive at night. I have a question though: since mtam says he dies when he revives someone, does dd die when mtam revives someone? Neutral, slight town.

7. Whatsausage. I agree that he is worth looking into. None of his posts have left an impression on me at this point. General inactivity (though I know I haven't been the best in this department either...), with possible scummarining. If I recall, a good bulk of his posts are usually about mechanics and speculation about game setup etc. Leaning scum.

Regarding what strike and Storr mentioned about virus being the target all along. Perhaps it's a delayed suicide? Ultra gets 2 last shots to take revenge, but will die tonight after making the shots. Ultra supposedly wasn't told that he'd get any extra powers upon virus' save, so perhaps the mod decided to withhold this information from him as well?

Okay, back to homework.


FP'ed by mod, dd, Storr.

Mod Note: I might have answered some considering it common knowledge, but apparently it isn't so...

Sounds like he did give the answer that strike wolf mentioned.

[HotShot53]

Mod Note: Scene is Scene Flavor is Flavor. I put in what I want, what is important, and write it how I like it. Like 5 of you have asked questions about the scene like Im your new goldmine. I get it, I get it, but please use your heads on the scenes. Its a part of mafia. I'mma gonna stay silent for the next little bit. If you have role questions feel free to ask them, but no more setup/scene questions. I might have answered some considering it common knowledge, but apparently it isn't so...

It's not common knowledge, since different mods put in different things in their scenes... some show everything important that happened that night (such as people being saved, etc), so people know things that happened, others just put in if people died, and are silent on everything else. Knowing which you did/will do can be a help in figuring out things, so in my opinion, to be fair, you should just post whatever it was you told strike wolf, since it isn't role specific info, rather than having us rely on strike's interpretation of what you said.