Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[Streaker]

Ok, I am going to go through aage's posts from the beginning and quote/comment on anything that looks potentially town or scummy. Going to be really long I assume, so will put it in spoiler tags.

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Well, that all took like 1 1/2 hours to put together, I hope people like the more detailed read. After doing this I think I had town-leaned aage mostly because of his early game mechanics posts... now that I've gone into more detail, I'd have to say I don't town read him anymore, I'd have to say he's now neutral, leaning slightly to the scummy side...
To summarize his voting record: 3rd vote on ultra when the pressure seemed to be decreasing... switched to virus after the lover claims... unvoted virus even though saying he didn't believe anything they said... 3rd vote on dd, another claimed lover.
Today's votes: None. Questioned my reads, but hasn't actually made any cases or significant reads.

His role claim can't be proven, can't be counterclaimed, could be easily faked. I would like to see a full claim with a name etc, so I will vote aage (I still would like storr's full claim, but I guess that's not happening, and his role claim I can believe and seems proven for now, can still be tested later if needed)

Slightly extended version of my post lol.

Forgot one thing in my post:

Vote Aage

Despite my semi-counterclaim I still don't have HotShot as scum read, and we need to utilise our last few days. A claim from Storr would be great indeed, but it's already too late. He is refusing, and that is enough. The reason he stated is crap.

[Zivel]

oh and unvote HOTSHOT, I believe his claim for now.

I think if he continues to JAIL ME it might be best cause I might start giving a shit now that there is some action going on. Up to you hotshot personally dont care.


Ill try and make a lynch list tomorrow.

You can get right fucked if you think you are coming back into this game without some serious shit. You have claimed reviver and if you don't do it tonight then you have a lot if reading to do and some solid reads to avoid a quick lynch. DON'T JAILKEEP HIM. Shit we should throw a protect on him so he has no excuses

[Zivel]

Actually nah. Don't protect him. Let him die.

[strike wolf]

a. Misrepresenting your Nark case as over a joke vote: Frankly, there were a lot of people who were on it because of the joke vote and I just don't see this.

Not sure how this has to do with hotshot. I mean i know why it has to deal with hotshot, yet your not talking about the situation of me vs hotshot regarding my anark push.

One of the points was hotshot was asked about this situation. by anamainiacks

Yep, heard of it, but the conversation has clearly moved past the joke vote phase. There has been proper conversation going on, and to continue pushing a joke vote at this point would just be pointless and distracting.

This is a 3rd party, backing up the anark push, in the sense that my push was not about a joke at this point. One of the points i bring up was hotshot not responding to this, or my comment.

This is the part I admit I misread the first time. Hotshot did kind of address it by saying that by the time he read it he probably didn't find it worth commenting on. This wasn't one of his stronger points but he wasn't exactly voted as scum for it so I don't know how much you really wanted him to reach back several pages to grasp at.

b. Who he was on in the Ultra wagon: This is bs. Scum who know Ultra is not aligned with them would not want him unlocking any abilities by shooting him either. In fact, they would be less willing to consider this a good option. Also generally scum do not like leaving loose ends. If they felt they could get a two for one, I would expect at least a few to take it. I would expect the scum votes to be split on Ultra and Virus but if they favored one side, I believe it would have been to lynch Virus. As far as "if you legitimately believed they were scum you would vote Virus". Yes and no. If you were about 85% sure that they were scum than a virus lynch is preferable. However it is definitely possible to believe that they are scum and not being willing to lynch two townies. Testing claims is part of the game. And really least information provided? We have a near confirmed townie out of the deal where the only way this is no longer true is if his alignment changed over night.

Your first point is not valid. It was a hunch he would unlock abilities.

A hunch that mafia can jump to just as easily as town. There's no reason for mafia to be any less paranoid about any such hunch.

2. hotshot had no idea if ultra would have the power to vig. IN any case if he DID know, then its even safer for him to push ultra over virus since ultra WANTS to be lynched over virus to prove a point.

What power mafia suspected Ultra would get or not is completely irrelevant. For mafia knowing that Ultra was town, it's a safe bet that whatever ability it would be would not be beneficial for mafia to see in the game.

The situation was a lover claiming to just be "confirmed town" upon being lynched with virus death. Thats a pretty nice thing for mafia, you have a townie that was being very distracting day 1, who is now going to be confirmed town, who doesn't have a large voice, who won't get shit done. This is a perfectly acceptable "loose" end for mafia to have, since it still deny's a lot of information.

Alright. You've said that voting Ultra for the one person lynch would deny information a couple of times now. What specific information would town get from lynching both that they wouldn't get from just one of them? Ultra's ability that he would have gotten had Virus taken the bullet for him? Useless once he's dead. Furthermore even one extra townie can potentially delay mafia's victory over time (especially if town gets a few good protects in along the way). So that one rambling townie you mention is a bigger loose end than you give him credit for.

Again, no offense to ultra, but ultra was a weak town day 1. He is still a weak confirmed town day 2. My point stands (this was also if lynched, at the cost of virus). This whole point is an argument of opinion of me vs you, this isn't about hotshot any more. Infact, the way you bring it up, it isn't about hotshot.

It's perfectly about Hotshot. You bring up why going after Ultra was a scummy move on Hotshot's part over Virus. I countered with why I disagreed. You admitting to it being an opinion that voting Ultra was scummier than voting Virus just admits that this portion of your case was Bullshit and as I called it. Weak.

c. The whole who led Virus issue: Honestly, this isn't so much of a weak point as you just made it sound ridiculous with the whole "Invisible vote" nonsense.

Nope, I 100% stand by my "invisible" vote on virus. Again, this isn't about hotshot, its about you attacking me. The points made "hotshot /confirmed he liked all my points to why virus was scum" and then said "i was the first to vote virus". Those are the facts, this can be deemd scummy, in regards to sheeping, and misrepresenting how influential he was on pushing virus. Since his claim to "i was first on virus" was a response to being called out for bandwagoning on virus.

As I said, it wasn't so much a weak point as it sounded ridiculous. The actual logic behind it. Not really a problem. The way you said it. Sounded ridiculous as hell and I don't blame people for not taking it seriously.

So yes, i believe i had valid points regarding hotshot virus, and your response is in regards to "invisible vote" and no talk about his push on virus, if it was a townie push, or a scummy push.

In context, you are right this is where I did not adequately express my thoughts and is entirely on me. Anyways, like I said, you do have a point on this. He voted Virus based on your reasons by itself, I'd say that's neutral but if there was a point that was just bad in his defense was trying to make it sound more like his original case.

[/quote="Storrzerg"]

d. Town reading: As others have pointed out it's not really a strong Hotshot attribute to point out all the people he believes are town day 1.

I never stated he points out all his townies. The point was he hadn't made any town reads day 1, and you counter with he doesn't "point out all the people he thinks are town day 1" This is more justification for him not having any town reads. Which is fine if you want to make that kind of a statement. My issue is it doesn't align with the argument at hand. You give him room on a play style that he does give town reads day 1, and they are often few. [/quote]

But that's the thing. He defended it. And then he defended it again until you were basically beating a dead horse while trying to point out how your townie reads were so good and proved you were town. It became a townie read argument.

Now admittedly reading back through it there were somethings that stood out more and made more sense but overall I still feel like your case got weaker as it went along. At least until your analysis of his reads post. So yes it did bother me that your case on Hotshot felt like it went from well-reasoned and strong to rambly and weak. It also bugs me that others managed to bring some of the strongest points in short posts to the table when your case really had become weaker and weaker as it went on.

I don't understand why you avoid the good points i brought up.

Limited time and all that stuff.

The whole arching point of these posts is "storr had bad attacks against hotshot" Yet the conclusion doesn't line up with the body of the post.

f*ck conclusions. If I make a 20 page post, I'll put in a conclusion reiterating my points of if I just have plenty of time to do so, maybe. I didn't really have a flowing conclusion to this post. So maybe you just missed what I was getting at. I stated my reasons. You addressed them. It's not like they weren't there.

He doesn't explain what was good about my push on hotshot. He doesn't explain Who these other people are that made "better points" on hotshot, nor does he explain "what these better points are". I'd even go to say, that most of these "stronger points" had been pulled in because of the pushing on hotshot i made, and hotshots responses. Does that mean anything? Its hard to tell since strike is being really vague about what he means.

To be fair, I did call out Aage who was actually the one who I still believe broke down Hotshot's reads list the best. I thought I had mentioned a point that TFO or Anamainiacks had mentioned but perhaps I am wrong...

Ok so what you don't like over 2 days so far, I pushed aog early which seemed like an easy lynch at start, but it got complicated since i pushed hotshot. I pushed anark and then he went afk (couldn't push him more)

I didn't like that your essential push was that you were down for an AoG relynch post one of day 2. The addendum being there that you defended it by saying that you had voted Nark the day before which I gave my reasoning that you had long since stopped pushing Nark even before he had gone inactive one of your comments on him as a potential scum candidate (out of several people) was "meh might come back to him well see" which doesn't strike me as you having a very convincing scum read against Nark. It was complicated because AoG backed your case against HotShot which wasn't conclusive but did speak at a possible different relationship between you.

I'll edit out a little bit of this because by itself it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Whoo this is important. Where did hotshot read zivel town day 1? This was a large point i made against hotshot, that he had no town reads, and now you state he did have a town read day 1 and pushed it? Why would you not bring this up? in quotes, this seems fairly important. (i think this isn't true considering hotshot made this statement today regarding having a town read on zivel day 1, and choosing to not voice his opinion on the matter)

You quoted it yourself:

This is the main thing I can't understand, is why a scum DD would come out the way he did... as mtam says, by not coming out then ultra would probably be lynched, and then if he came up town (which a scum DD would know), then zivel would have pressure and might get lynched also. The only way I can see a scum zivel coming out is if ultra is also scum, and he was doing it to either A. protect ultra from an almost certain lynch or B. gain town cred if ultra did get lynched anyway. For that reason, I still think lynching ultra is a better move than zivel, because I can't imagine why a scum zivel would come out if ultra were town, but ultra could be scum with zivel being town.

Read between the lines. He is saying a. He thinks it is unlikely that a scum Zivel would counter claim Ultra (you made a similar point I believe). b. Promotes Ultra over Zivel. Is it a strong town read? No but it's there if you just take the time to actually read between the lines.

So what do you think he was accomplishing with the attack on my case of nark (which had evolved past the joke at that point) to which a 3rd party responded, pointing out it wasn't about the joke at that point to which he didn't respond.

The case had barely evolved. I had a similar reaction to it as Hotshot as have others. I believe I've already stated this a couple of times. I do not find it scummy.

I explained why i was ignoring your case on me. 1 i didn't consider it serious, you didn't have a vote on me. 2, it was nearing end of the day and the focus was on ultra/virus/dd5/aog. Narrowing down what to do at that time was more important. 3. I had judged at the time, that i might be wrong about pcm, so stopping the conversation would be beneficial, since it was turning into more of a slugging competition of staggering posts. The matter imo, could be resolved day 2, or would resolve in the night.

1. Because I would spend the majority of the time on a four hour post talking about a case I didn't take seriously. You know perfectly well that a case can be serious without a vote so I am counting this excuse as another example of your bullshit.

2/3. And being that I knew it wasn't going to get anywhere because I exhausted most of my energy I had for that on the big post and everyone other than Pancake and Zivel had ignored it, I was willing to let it wait until tomorrow. Then you made the comment about pressuring you then and there. It struck me as a redirect to make the case seem weaker. Another example of you being manipulative. Surely you can at least see how this looks scummy to observers?

The delay of reads, has often been to cause attention, and get people thinking about what i'm talking about. Hotshot in particular, i made sure people became aware of him, to read up on him and make sure they would be ready to judge with what i presented. Its a lot easier to convince someone about something if they have limited knowledge about someone. If i was full of shit about hotshot, and my case, it would be a lot easier to judge and cut down quickly since people would be aware of his play, and the case at hand. And since my reads have been always backed up, there hasn't been an opportunity of people to claim, i sheeped someone, or that my points are not my own. Its only scummy if i had claimed to do something, then failed to do it, or sheeped someone elses read with out giving insight to my own. So Your whole point seems to be an issue with playstyle and not for something thats actually scummy.

I am mostly satisfied with this answer. The problem is that it can be a scummy tactic and as was pointed out can be used to garner opinions about a case before making it. Now what you would do with that information would determine more if it was scummy or not. That said, the generic stating of town reads bugged me worse than this.

So what do you want me to do lol?

I have a town read on him

You could explain that town read

Storr's reaction:

So what do you want me to do lol?

I have a town read on him

You could explain that town read

You give a read! I'll get to crasp when I'm off my phone.

I don't like you posting your town read on Zivel as some grand town gesture when honestly, I consider it an easy read.

I made the same jester, on crasp, no comment on him? So what if its an easy town read, i made points and stated my opinion. Even if its an easy read, you can still judge zivel off the content i presented. You can still judge if what i came up makes sense, if it aligns with what you thought. Considering at the time, there was pressure on lynching one of the lover claims, and i made it clear that i thought zivel was not the option.

See this is what I find really great about how manipulative this case is. The fact that you take things out of context to make it sound like you have a point when you dont. This isn't a pancake situation. I know you had read this post before posting this so saying that you are reading as you are catching up isn't going to cut it. I stated that I felt your read on crasp was more town indicative than your Zivel read.

I mean I am pretty sure the major critics of Zivel were Mtam who stated that he believed all three lover pairs were town, AoG who no one was listening to and Virus/Ultra who had some bias in the matter. Beyond them, I believe the harshest critique of Zivel after the lover counterclaim was that we couldn't fully rule him out as a scum possibility. There was simply no legitimate risk of Zivel being lynched Day 1.

I don't think its fair for you to make that statement. Its hard to tell what would have happened, if people hadn't spoken up about their town read on zivel. Maybe tambo pushes zivel hard end of day over aog, and zivel is lynched because people don't speak up. Virus also didn't like zivel, and i'm sure a few others would have been happy to lynch him. SO considering how many people didn't speak up, we know at least 4-5 people spoke up as a possibility of lynching zivel.

Considering that Mtam had stated that he felt all three pairs of lovers were town before you made your case. I doubt he'd make a push. Well let's start with the people who started posting that they believed Zivel was town before you made your big Zivel is town case shall we? DD on Page 15, Virus initially pushed that Zivel had town cred as well on Page 15 (Actually I will admit I was wrong here Virus never really pushed Zivel as scum on day 1.), Me on Page 15, Aage Page 16, Mtam made it clear by the end of page 17 that he felt all three pairs were town, Anamainiacks reads Zivel as the most townie lover pair page 18, and TFO Page 18. Let's see that's 1...2...3...7 people not including you or Zivel nor people who obviously believed him over Virus/Ultra and we can't even guarantee that Zivel's lover even pushed him as a town read up to this point and the only one to really push him as scum was AoG. So yeah at this point, it's fair to say that Zivel is not really at risk of being lynched. After this there was one semi-accusation and WhatSausage who said we shouldn't take the case as a guarantee. There was never any sense that Zivel was going to be lynched after counter claiming lover day 1 and like it or not, that had very little to do with you. It was the players in the game who collectively decided he looked to be town.

Of course at this point, Hotshot comes in with his list of reads and yeah...I want to hear more about this but right now, I have to agree mostly with Aage's assessment of it.

fantastic you want to hear more, do you follow up really? (not really)

The next time I really had gotten on after HotShot had posted, he had made his claim. I feel this claim can be tested and proven. So no, I did not find it necessary to dissect his reply to Aage's analysis when I had reason to believe he would be proven town and you pushing me to be shot and being non-specific about when you would actually form a case against me as to why I should be shot which is still easily one of the scummiest things in this game and the reason that I am still not ready to unvote you.

So after considering long and deliberately on this...Vote Hotshot. I think Aage actually made the best post on this with his break down of Hotshot's read and honestly, I was leaning more towards voting Storr before that.

This seems oddly confusing. 1. the amount of effort spent into explaining why i had a bad case against hotshot. 2. The lack of evidence of the good points i made. 3. Supporting hotshot lynch because others convinced you (more than 1, so in addition to aage). Not knowing who the other people are. 4. Not really explaining why you find hotshot scummy, all we have is other people who did a good job explaining how he was scummy. 5. thinking he was scummy day 1, but not really doing anything about it.

I was trying to use that post to explain why I had made an earlier post and I was running out of time at the end to explain it fully. So I made it quick. Could I have added to the case? Probably if I really searched through it but I had stated some of my reasons during the course of the day (The Null reads, the increased activity when put under pressure etc.).

See this is scummy from strike. Earlier he wanted to see the follow up from hotshot about aage. Which he did follow up, and strike has no comment to make. + There is the continued pressure that strike make a more detailed read besides a 1 liner, which strike hasn't commented on. I would assume the lack of comment would be because he wants to know more, yet his actions indicate he wants to shut down hotshot discussion by avoiding it, and pressing myself. HIs explanation for the unvote, is entirely mechanical. There is no response from him regarding what he believes of hotshots alignment as of this moment, specially when he isn't following up on the hotshot lead he said he was interested in.

Like I said above. I believed the claim can be proven. Furthermore, you were giving me plenty of reason to doubt that Hotshot was indeed scummier than you were at that point and don't say I am being vague about this because I have brought it up more than a couple times at this point.

What you did was suggest that I should be shot:

These 2 posts are at very different times and don't really have a relationship. So its strange that he pairs them up, as if to say, no storr didn't look for clarity, he just wanted to lynch me. Which is false. He doesn't address anything i say in the comment either.

You asked Pancake what he was finding scummy about you suggesting I should be shot. I was backing that up. As for why they were paired up, maybe because I was making my post about why I felt you had become scummier than Hotshot with that remark.

But haven't given a read on me and won't until you've "decided" on Hotshot. Sorry but as far as I am concerned, this just sounds like you are trying to limit any time I have to make a defense against your statement which is particularly important since you know I have been busy the last couple of weeks. If this isn't incredibly scummy, it's incredibly stupid. Either way I think it's time you woke up from whatever fantasy land you like to frolic in.

Pretty weak reasoning considering we still have 3 days left at this point.

Nope. You were being unspecific. At the very least you were limiting whatever time I would have to respond to the defense.

And the comment was made with 4 days left. Plenty of substantial time, i'd give you that point if it was less than 48 hours. As it should be clear, i don't really care or pay attention to peoples RL concerns in this mafia game. I play at my own pace, and as the rules indicate, i assume everyone is able to post at least 1x every 24 hours. *(which is what the mod suggests). I'm sure this post will point out the clear issues i have with you this game, since i believe you are not playing like a town strike, your actions are more pro scum.

I really do hope you find a legitimate job some day Storr where you have to work 40+ hours a week to get by and can't spend all day on the computer criticizing others for not having the kind of time you think that they should. That said, bullshit. You know I've been busy. You have seen that there were plenty of gaps where I wasn't posting how I wanted to be posting. Could I post within the 4 day limited? Sure. Could I guarantee I could make a full defense in that time? No. If my schedule hadn't cleared up a little since last week, I probably wouldn't have found time to respond to this post.

End points. No strong stance end of Day 1.

Bullshit. I had a strong stance on AoG. I haven't exactly forgotten about DD, I am in the process of reevaluating him and frankly with all that's gone on with the HotShot case and trying to keep up with limited time, I haven't completely done that. I still feel his claim stinks. I am still open to lynching him but his overall posts today seemed townie. He expressed ideas that seemed more like his own than I felt he was yesterday.

Got claims from several people, each time he backed off the claims, with out actually looking at the person, judging to see if that persons alignment was town or scum.

Double bullshit.

Strong issue with how he is handling the hotshot/storr situation. Specially how he votes hotshot to get the claim, leaves out information regarding who influenced his decision, fails to point out the good points i made, hammers several points i made against hotshot as bad points.
Isn't following up with issues he has about hotshot.
Several points against me seem almost ludicrous (me not posting about hotshots failure to post when he was online)

Most of this I explained above. Some of the other stuff I apologize, it slipped through the cracks because yeah. I didn't have the time I really wanted to have for most of today.

As for your other response. Honestly, I haven't even read any of what's in the spoilers yet. I don't know when I am going to get around to it. Probably not any time in the next twenty four hours.

[Streaker]

Just my thoughts on everyone, in case I dont make the morning.

1.Hotshot53 This could really go either way, I read town in posting, but my counterclaim says otherwise...
2.Pancakemix neutral
3.mtamburini neutral
4.Streaker me town
5.Virus90 Yuuki Asuna Lover/Shield
6.aage mafia
7.Storrzerg mafia
8.Ultrasplot town (though currently mvp for mafia)
9.Zivel town
10.Whatsausage neutral
11.Army of GodKatsuragi Mayuko Town Redirector mafia
12.Anamainiacks neutral, leaning town
13.Crasp leaning town
14.dd515187 leaning mafia
15.Anarkistsdreamreplaced by AoG 2.0 mafia (still not posting anything of value)
16.Strikewolf town
17.Crazymilkshake5 replaced by TFO town, though not fully convinced

[aage]

Interesting how Aage is playing. Several times already he's taking heat away from Storr, protecting him. The past times could be credited to a town read, but his blatant protection clame is too much.
What were you hoping to achieve with that claim, Aage?

Especially the 'I'm sure i'm not a healer, I think' was weird at least.

The fact that Storr is first gathering information about whom did what, and THEN starting to claim in bits and parts about what his power is, is just super scummy.

I was trying to achieve two things.
First of all I was trying to find out whether Storr had any information concerning what my role does. The mod has now finally yielded more info to me, but when I sent in the action, I didn't even know if it would go off, and could have been a killing action for all I knew.
Second of all I was trying to see if I could catch Storr in a lie, probably the same thing he was trying to do with me. He deliberately withheld the information of the second visitor, which led me to believe he found someone who had posted after he claimed he watched Mtamb. When he initially said that he saw "nothing", I asked about the phrasing because (a) I didn't know if he could see me visit, and (b) I didn't know if he'd been blocked. When he said he saw two people, it would either have to be me, or a member of the mafia, or he had to be lying. Hence why I asked for confirmation the way I did.

Mod responded to my pm, so I will fullclaim and give the information to avoid suspicion. As far as I'm aware, Storr's role is confirmed and HotShot definitely visited Mtam last night.
My name is Takanashi Kozue, my role is Town Drunk. I send in a name, a number and have 33% chance that "it" will succeed. This is the information I've had since the beginning of the game.
Since today, I know more. A similar role was used in a previous game by Rishaed, look at this post, Little Witt's role (the top spoiler). My version is a little different since the original role had Doc, Roleblock, Mason two random people, Cupid (make lovers), or busdrive. I can't mason or cupid people (thank god), although I can doc, roleblock or busdrive (don't know how the last one works, just pm'd rish about it). My actions "may or may not work". I show up on a watcher report. Depressed Dave was 3rd party, I'm town aligned.

As for me protecting Storr "omg theyre both mafia"; why would he claim that he saw 2 people visit, and why would I respond to that? Much easier to just say "only hotshot visited" and leave it at that. No need for me to say anything, or get out of my everyone-reads-me-town hidey-hole.


@Streaker above me: tbh I'd rather lynch a roleblocker than a jailkeeper, seeing as they're more likely to be mafia, but we'll get to that.

[Streaker]

I was trying to achieve two things.
First of all I was trying to find out whether Storr had any information concerning what my role does. The mod has now finally yielded more info to me, but when I sent in the action, I didn't even know if it would go off, and could have been a killing action for all I knew.
Second of all I was trying to see if I could catch Storr in a lie, probably the same thing he was trying to do with me. He deliberately withheld the information of the second visitor, which led me to believe he found someone who had posted after he claimed he watched Mtamb. When he initially said that he saw "nothing", I asked about the phrasing because (a) I didn't know if he could see me visit, and (b) I didn't know if he'd been blocked. When he said he saw two people, it would either have to be me, or a member of the mafia, or he had to be lying. Hence why I asked for confirmation the way I did.

Mod responded to my pm, so I will fullclaim and give the information to avoid suspicion. As far as I'm aware, Storr's role is confirmed and HotShot definitely visited Mtam last night.
My name is Takanashi Kozue, my role is Town Drunk. I send in a name, a number and have 33% chance that "it" will succeed. This is the information I've had since the beginning of the game.
Since today, I know more. A similar role was used in a previous game by Rishaed, look at this post, Little Witt's role (the top spoiler). My version is a little different since the original role had Doc, Roleblock, Mason two random people, Cupid (make lovers), or busdrive. I can't mason or cupid people (thank god), although I can doc, roleblock or busdrive (don't know how the last one works, just pm'd rish about it). My actions "may or may not work". I show up on a watcher report. Depressed Dave was 3rd party, I'm town aligned.

As for me protecting Storr "omg theyre both mafia"; why would he claim that he saw 2 people visit, and why would I respond to that? Much easier to just say "only hotshot visited" and leave it at that. No need for me to say anything, or get out of my everyone-reads-me-town hidey-hole.


@Streaker above me: tbh I'd rather lynch a roleblocker than a jailkeeper, seeing as they're more likely to be mafia, but we'll get to that.

Information from Storr? After you should have been fully aware he's 'just' a tracker? If you needed information, or a trap, you would have just stated you visited.

Your claim may be a little premature... Do you HAVE to send in an action? Seems strange role for town. But then again, I've never seen roleblocker AND jailer in town either. Furthermore it's odd that you now, all of a sudden, have so much information about your role, when first you had absolutely 0 info. That's a big switch.

Storr claimed maybe to protect his claim, and his scumbuddy assisted. Since he was in a short list of 2 people to lynch today, he felt the need for a 'drastic' measure.

[aage]

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HotShot response in spoiler

@Streaker
No, I don't have to send in an action. That's one of the things I also asked the mod today, because it's unreliable as f*ck and there isn't really a way to guarantee that my action will help town. I'm considering never using it at all.

[Army of GOD]

11.Army of GodKatsuragi Mayuko Town Redirector mafia

yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.


also, the argument against aage is really weak. Like, Hotshot voted aage despite saying "well, this could be town..." several times. Also, a FOS Streaker for going along with Hotshot and for what I quoted above (him thinking AoG1.0 was scum...). I'm going to keep my vote on Hotshot because while I think his claim is somewhat believable, I haven't liked his play otherwise.

[StorrZerg]

Also,as per Storr's case on strike...just no. Ive liked strike's posts from a town POV so far and honestly while I liked Storr's aggression on Hotshot originally now he's kind of looking like he's just trying to attack everyone. I had him slightly town before but now I'm pegging him down to neutral. I'm not sure what to make of everything he's been trying to do.

Not satisfied... "aog is a pink donkey cause of his posting"
see how silly that sounds? thats how silly your town read is. Note, i'm fine if you are reading him town, I'm not fine with you not defending any point i made, or backing up your claim with something he did, that made you read him as town.


(responded to the accusations of attacking everyone below)

Have to agree with AoG here. I think Storr is pinning scum on whoever disagrees with him...we should keep an eye on this. I'm tired right now, but I'll look into it tomorrow and see if I can come up with any leads...

(Not unlynching yet...)

This is an incorrect statement. "attacking everyone" This can't be true, since i'm town reading many people... and produced my town reads which i don't think you ever commented on.
and attacking people is a way i use to get reads, creates pressure, people react, people give opinions on the situation, evaluation.
Hotshot was not calling me scum... I made a case on him, he then countered with calling me scum.
whatsausage has been very inactive... pressure on him is warranted.
You got me on strike wolf.

[StorrZerg]

@aage. would you know if your action had made it to tambo???

You just claimed the possibility of being a doc on tambo n1....

[StorrZerg]

Interesting how Aage is playing. Several times already he's taking heat away from Storr, protecting him. The past times could be credited to a town read, but his blatant protection clame is too much.
What were you hoping to achieve with that claim, Aage?

Especially the 'I'm sure i'm not a healer, I think' was weird at least.

The fact that Storr is first gathering information about whom did what, and THEN starting to claim in bits and parts about what his power is, is just super scummy.

The biggest issue right now is Storr refusing to claim. It's a stretch to think an assassin-like role in the game, at this point it would do you (and especially town) more good then bad to claim.


What I don't like is the manner of Ultra's pushing him to claim. I'd lynch Ultra right here and now all over again for his power rush. Seriously dude, you are basicly the only confirmed town, ACT LIKE ONE.

1. aage didn't have a choice. Sure he could have not claimed, but he had to come forth and claim he was visiting hotshot.
2. the healer comment isn't that strange. Since, if he thought he could have healed tambo, that would put doubt on hotshots claim. since 2 protective roles on the same person same night, with a death that was done likely from 3rd party or vig, would heavily indicate one would be a liar.

3. I had the information to start. I picked hotshot since i didn't have a town read on him. aage, i was town reading at the time which is why i didn't pressure him. Again the whole ordeal was to set up a trap. If hotshot claimed to not visit tambo, i could out both hotshot and aage. aage would confirm he did visit tambo, thus making my claim look very strong.
If both hotshot, and aage claimed protective roles on tambo, then i would know its likely one of them lied. Since its extremely unlikely 2 protective roles would be on mtamburini since he lead the incorrect lynch on AoG
After Hotshot claimed, there was still the potential for a trap. Some games the jailer removes the target, and all actions on the target fail, since they cannot reach the target.
In some cases only kills fail.

Pending how he answered i could catch him in a lie, since i stated i hadn't seen anyone. Reason being, i knew 2 people had visited, i could claim after proving my real claim. If hotshot tried to answer the claim in a manner to please the situation, "well since i jailed tamb you couldn't have watched him thats why it failed" i could have caught him in the lie.

once he had fully claimed his ability (hotshot that is) There was still room for aage. He could have been cop at that point, with a check on tambo, to disprove hotshots claim. (since that would have contradicted what hotshot said).

With all said and done. I had information on night actions. I wanted to share this since i thought it was odd 2 people visited tambo. (3 including me)

while writing this i noticed aage's full claim indicates he COULD have saved... (inquiring more about this..)(as posted above)

4. it honestly isn't an issue that i'm with holding my flavor. Maybe its very easily to verify cause its a popular anime, maybe its something really obscure based on some old literature reference that has an anime. Either way, i don't want my alignment to be judged based on flavor. (look at dd5, look how much confusion his claim brought, that was misguided) sure we still dont' know his alignment, but look how many attacks started because "it wasn't a manga" .


Either way, it isn't a major issue. Its been pointed out, i'm not doing this to stall for time, i would have clearly of had something if i was faking this whole escapade.

[StorrZerg]

@those pushing me. why are none of you inquiring with pcm right now. He is one of the larger supporters of my lynch, and has been on radio silence for quite some time..

[Streaker]

11.Army of GodKatsuragi Mayuko Town Redirector mafia

yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.


also, the argument against aage is really weak. Like, Hotshot voted aage despite saying "well, this could be town..." several times. Also, a FOS Streaker for going along with Hotshot and for what I quoted above (him thinking AoG1.0 was scum...). I'm going to keep my vote on Hotshot because while I think his claim is somewhat believable, I haven't liked his play otherwise.

0,00 sense this makes. yes I marked AoG1.0 as scum, as that was my read at that time. Now, if you will notice the similar smiley behind the other death, it means I actually noticed it.
i'll fire back at you, have YOU been paying attention?

Do you even understand the argument?

I'm tagging along with HotShot? What the actual F. I made the first post on him (and forgot to vote). I also counterclaimed him, and I didn't do that to make him look town, lol.
Yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.

Another great post from you. i'll just switch my read on you to town now.

[StorrZerg]

@streaker, last game strike hosted basically had roleblocker (mtambo) and a more complicated jailer (jonty)

Secondly, If its to be believed no kill shot was sent at tambo, and hotshot did not protect a shot. Wouldn't you think who ever you role blocked might have sent a kill shot and failed???

[Army of GOD]

11.Army of GodKatsuragi Mayuko Town Redirector mafia

yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.


also, the argument against aage is really weak. Like, Hotshot voted aage despite saying "well, this could be town..." several times. Also, a FOS Streaker for going along with Hotshot and for what I quoted above (him thinking AoG1.0 was scum...). I'm going to keep my vote on Hotshot because while I think his claim is somewhat believable, I haven't liked his play otherwise.

0,00 sense this makes. yes I marked AoG1.0 as scum, as that was my read at that time. Now, if you will notice the similar smiley behind the other death, it means I actually noticed it.
i'll fire back at you, have YOU been paying attention?

but you do know he was confirmed town right? I don't understand why you would put mafia next to him when he's not...it doesn't make any sense.

Do you even understand the argument?

I'm tagging along with HotShot? What the actual F. I made the first post on him (and forgot to vote). I also counterclaimed him, and I didn't do that to make him look town, lol.
Yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.

Another great post from you. i'll just switch my read on you to town now.

this was your post before you voted aage.

Interesting how Aage is playing. Several times already he's taking heat away from Storr, protecting him. The past times could be credited to a town read, but his blatant protection clame is too much.
What were you hoping to achieve with that claim, Aage?

Especially the 'I'm sure i'm not a healer, I think' was weird at least.

The fact that Storr is first gathering information about whom did what, and THEN starting to claim in bits and parts about what his power is, is just super scummy.

The biggest issue right now is Storr refusing to claim. It's a stretch to think an assassin-like role in the game, at this point it would do you (and especially town) more good then bad to claim.


What I don't like is the manner of Ultra's pushing him to claim. I'd lynch Ultra right here and now all over again for his power rush. Seriously dude, you are basicly the only confirmed town, ACT LIKE ONE.

you make a very soft accusation of aage and then go on to say "the biggest issue right now is Storr". So if Storr is the biggest issue, why are you not putting a vote on him and not aage?

[aage]

11.Army of GodKatsuragi Mayuko Town Redirector mafia

yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.


also, the argument against aage is really weak. Like, Hotshot voted aage despite saying "well, this could be town..." several times. Also, a FOS Streaker for going along with Hotshot and for what I quoted above (him thinking AoG1.0 was scum...). I'm going to keep my vote on Hotshot because while I think his claim is somewhat believable, I haven't liked his play otherwise.

0,00 sense this makes. yes I marked AoG1.0 as scum, as that was my read at that time. Now, if you will notice the similar smiley behind the other death, it means I actually noticed it.
i'll fire back at you, have YOU been paying attention?

Do you even understand the argument?

I'm tagging along with HotShot? What the actual F. I made the first post on him (and forgot to vote). I also counterclaimed him, and I didn't do that to make him look town, lol.
Yeah, so you haven't been paying attention at all.

Another great post from you. i'll just switch my read on you to town now.

From your lack of further attacking me, storr or hotshot, I understand that you targeted none of us with your block?

@Storr
I asked the mod, no way to tell for sure whether my action was successful // which action I ended up doing. But HotShot seems cleared for now, imo, and I'd rather push others (or defend myself, if need be), so I'll be looking into that Strike Wolf case at long last.
The least you can gather from your result is that, at the least, one of us cannot be mafia. (Only the two of us visited, Mtamb lives; if we were both mafia, he'd be dead.)

[StorrZerg]

@aage, you should see if the bus driver would happen before a jail....

If thats the case, then you only had 2 possibilities on mtamb. block or medic...

[mtamburini]

oh and unvote HOTSHOT, I believe his claim for now.

I think if he continues to JAIL ME it might be best cause I might start giving a shit now that there is some action going on. Up to you hotshot personally dont care.


Ill try and make a lynch list tomorrow.

You can get right fucked if you think you are coming back into this game without some serious shit. You have claimed reviver and if you don't do it tonight then you have a lot if reading to do and some solid reads to avoid a quick lynch. DON'T JAILKEEP HIM. Shit we should throw a protect on him so he has no excuses

Actually nah. Don't protect him. Let him die.

AND THE HATERS GONNA HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

IM JUST GONNA SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE

SHAKE IT OFF SHAKE IT OFF

[Streaker]

its not rocket science to know who i blocked

[mtamburini]

1.Hotshot53 TOWN
2.Pancakemix MEH
3.mtamburini TOWN AS f*ck
4.Streaker WOULDNT CARE IF HE DIED
6.aage WOULDNT LYNCH OR VIGI SHOOT
7.Storrzerg TOWN
8.Ultrasplot TOWN I GUESS
9.Zivel LOVER CLAIM COULD BE BS, BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR HIS LOVER
10.Whatsausage SCUM, MIGHT BE MODKILLED SO IF HE IS YOU CAN SHOOT SOMEONE ELSE
12.Anamainiacks MAKES LONG AS POSTS
13.Crasp SHOOT IF WE DONT LYNCH HIM
14.dd515187 TOWN IN EVERY SCENARIO POSSIBLE
15.Anarkistsdreamreplaced by AoG 2.0 MEH PROB TOWN
16.Strikewolf WOULD LYNCH SO THAT IF IM WRONG ID REVIVE
17.Crazymilkshake5 replaced by TFO SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT BANG BANG BANG

[mtamburini]

its not rocket science to know who i blocked

so then just say it

[pancakemix]

@those pushing me. why are none of you inquiring with pcm right now. He is one of the larger supporters of my lynch, and has been on radio silence for quite some time..

Suck my cock. Seriously. How many fucking times do I have to say I'm limited right now in how much I can post? You didn't even respond to my last post, so you have no right to even harp on me.

Also, fucking fullclaim.

Why are people voting aage? He might maybe have a weird role that might maybe be something or other? How is that scummy? Aage has handled himself pretty well there, but HotShot's stock is crashing and Streaker warrants a very close look now (but I'd have probably said that before too).

[StorrZerg]

Shit I call you out and you respond damn.

I'm not being lynched because of my partial claim is confirmed.

And i will be expected to provide further information tomorrow regardless.

So you can yell at me all you want. I'm not claiming my flavor.

Besides that, I agree on the aage points.

I think streaker blocked dd5... I hope I'm wrong since that makes streaker loom super scummy.

It might be crasp though.

[Whatsausage]

Alright so I have spent a lot of yesterday and this morning finally catching up and should be able to get a post out in ~2 hours from now.
Sorry for the absence, it was a bad week and I figured this would take a lot of time to catch up on after I got a bit behind (it did) and really wasn't in the mood to do it with how the week was going and all. This shouldn't happen again.

One point before my later post, what is the point of these "its obvious, so I'm not going to say it" statements? It doesn't benefit town at all, just delays. It isn't hiding anything from scum if it really is as obvious as you say. So either it isn't obvious and you are wasting everyone's time trying to look for an obvious answer, or it is obvious and there is no reason not to say it and you are wasting everyone's time by making someone else say it or demand it from you. (I don't think he had said it, but I did just do a lot of catching up and COULD have missed it)
So that said, I agree that streaker should state who he blocked, as that would give us a lead. I don't think it is likely that there is only one killing role in this game (even including ultras).

Fp'd by storr