Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[strike wolf]

Look up in the sky
Its a cop, its a watcher
No it is storrzerg!

Sorry couldnt resist. For what it is worth. I did not visit Mtam.

I am with Storr and Zivel here. As much as my initial reaction was to want to bang my head against the desk, I want to see where this leads.

[aage]

Hmm HotShot don't get on the fence because Storr is running down his role-related leads. Two can play at that game. I may have visited Mtam. Storr, could you confirm or deny that I was the second person to visit?

[aage]

Also Ultra, same to you as @ HotShot in the post above.

[StorrZerg]

Hmm HotShot don't get on the fence because Storr is running down his role-related leads. Two can play at that game. I may have visited Mtam. Storr, could you confirm or deny that I was the second person to visit?

confirm it was you

[Zivel]

Hmm HotShot don't get on the fence because Storr is running down his role-related leads. Two can play at that game. I may have visited Mtam. Storr, could you confirm or deny that I was the second person to visit?

WTF is this?
Hey Storr I am one of your scum buddies and I am willing to help you out with your claim if you think I am a suitable candidate but if not then I give you way out of that as well.
Bloody dodgy.

[aage]

Hmm HotShot don't get on the fence because Storr is running down his role-related leads. Two can play at that game. I may have visited Mtam. Storr, could you confirm or deny that I was the second person to visit?

WTF is this?
Hey Storr I am one of your scum buddies and I am willing to help you out with your claim if you think I am a suitable candidate but if not then I give you way out of that as well.
Bloody dodgy.

No.


I believe I got the wackiest role of all time from the mod since he won't tell me what my night action does. I am supposed to send in a number and a name, and *something* will happen.
I just sent a pm to the mod asking whether it counts as a visitation, since I have no clue what it does.
If someone else visited Mtam, please say so, since it would out Storr as a liar.

What I know is that my action probably doesn't involve healing of any kind, so that means HotShot at least is not a killer. I will echo Ultra in that you should unvote.

[StorrZerg]

Hmm HotShot don't get on the fence because Storr is running down his role-related leads. Two can play at that game. I may have visited Mtam. Storr, could you confirm or deny that I was the second person to visit?

WTF is this?
Hey Storr I am one of your scum buddies and I am willing to help you out with your claim if you think I am a suitable candidate but if not then I give you way out of that as well.
Bloody dodgy.

No.


I believe I got the wackiest role of all time from the mod since he won't tell me what my night action does. I am supposed to send in a number and a name, and *something* will happen.
I just sent a pm to the mod asking whether it counts as a visitation, since I have no clue what it does.
If someone else visited Mtam, please say so, since it would out Storr as a liar.

What I know is that my action probably doesn't involve healing of any kind, so that means HotShot at least is not a killer. I will echo Ultra in that you should unvote.

I'm fine with this, since any other claim would be a lie. I'd happily argue that persons lynch.

That was the other thing i was looking for. Seeing if you could prove if hotshot lied, If you had a saving role. Since, if you "could have saved mtamb" then it makes hotshot look worse for his claim.

Deal with hotshot regarding his role, it isn't 100% town or mafia imo. Sure the role itself can be proved, and likelihood it is proved at this point. I still see some scum motivation for "blocking" mtamburini. I can also see that maybe hotshot was onto something with his reasoning to "block/save" mtamburini since he figured he was the lover of dd5.

I'm still unsure regarding his alignment.

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Hotshot53 (5) - mtamburini, Storrzerg, ArmyofGod, Crasp, Anamainiacks
Storrzerg (4) - Hotshot53, Pancakemix, Ultrasplot, Strikewolf

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is the 21st. As of now Hotshot would be lynched.

[HotShot53]

Hmm HotShot don't get on the fence because Storr is running down his role-related leads. Two can play at that game. I may have visited Mtam. Storr, could you confirm or deny that I was the second person to visit?

WTF is this?
Hey Storr I am one of your scum buddies and I am willing to help you out with your claim if you think I am a suitable candidate but if not then I give you way out of that as well.
Bloody dodgy.

No.


I believe I got the wackiest role of all time from the mod since he won't tell me what my night action does. I am supposed to send in a number and a name, and *something* will happen.
I just sent a pm to the mod asking whether it counts as a visitation, since I have no clue what it does.
If someone else visited Mtam, please say so, since it would out Storr as a liar.

What I know is that my action probably doesn't involve healing of any kind, so that means HotShot at least is not a killer. I will echo Ultra in that you should unvote.

Well, now that is an interesting claim... something that's not really provable, can't really be counterclaimed... i.e. a potential perfect fake claim. Or it of course could be some weird thing rishead came up with. I will be going back and looking at aage in more depth now...

So for storr, either aage is his scum buddy coming out to protect him, or storr took a wild guess that at least 2 people visited mtam and guessed right, or else he is as he says he is, and is a watcher. Since I've never heard of a scum watcher before (any more than a scum jailkeeper), I will unvote

I'm about to start a game of Madden with my friend now, so I'll be back in an hour or two with a more in-depth look at aage

[StorrZerg]

scum watcher isn't out of the question, it was in breaking bad game

[strike wolf]

Scum watchers do exist (I am not sure what the exact ratio of scum/town watcher is. It's a semi-common scum role but more common as town) and under the right conditions can be very useful in showing whom among town might be a doctor/cop/other power role and Storr could be one and/or Aage could be lying, hell Storr could have taken a wild stab at the 50/50 shot that Aage gave him and guessed correctly. That said, if Storr is a scum watcher, I don't know why he would choose to watch Mtam, I have tended to lean town with Aage most of the game (though admittedly not as strongly as I was early on) and the third is pretty much unprovable unless a third person came forward and confessed to visiting Mtam without Streaker counter claiming.

Now I do want to finish rebutting Storr's case against me but I also want to look into a few people. I'll have time to get to at least one tonight.

[mtamburini]

hmm i'm probably a liar... (but everyone all ready knows that)

But its now time for zivel question!

Hey zivel, your buddy/ lover what not.

Did that person "visit" mtamburini. cause if thats the case, its probably best for you to take the lead on that, so that person can stay under the radar. If not, then ill wait to see what that person does if they do anything.

Yep thats right, i saw 2 people visit tambo. hotshot obviously, and a larger reason as to why i pressured him to start.

Now i'm still undecided as to your claim hotshot. Since, the watcher information matches with what i gathered. I was hoping to catch you in a lie if you happened to be scum. Now this doesn't clear you, but it does ensure that the right information was presented. I'm still pending the 2 town reads between the 4 i named earlier, if you forgot i'd be happy to look them up (*i think they are pcm/strike/aage/streaker). I'm a little concerned with how much information you did happen to gather, since how stonewalled i was when inquiring information regarding mechanics and how roles work.

So this "unamed person" that visited mtamb. I'm sure this person knows how i feel about them, so i'm purposly going to keep it vague. (this is also why i'm asking zivel since i don't need to be going down or up any rabbit holes pending his response) I also think it might be good if they hinted at some indication on if they believed what you said. Since i know they visited.

2 people visited me? Nice nice.

[mtamburini]

@ultra, you are literally the worst confirmed person i've ever played with.
What happens if counter measures are in this game to prevent mass claiming? Did you ever think of that? Nope.

The idea that you think i don't have a "Fake claim" ready if i am mafia is super laughable. So stop judging this "refusal of claiming" as inherently scummy, since its not. I volunteered this information not because i was pressured, but because i was trying to trap hotshot.

I'm not ignoring you. I'm not giving into your silly demand of a claim, with out reading into the situation at hand and judging it.

you are not judging my actions regarding how i pressured hotshot as scummy.

You are judging the refusal of the claim as scummy.

Since its the latter, im going to continue to say, your persistence of my claim is stupid.

How is ultra confirmed did I miss something?

[mtamburini]

So, how bout them town reads hotshot

@tambo, get in here and tell ultra he is an idiot for pushing me kthx.

What he said, but you should full claim bro

[strike wolf]

Mtam can you check with the mod if your revival ability would override a kill attempt?

[StorrZerg]

clift notes for tambo

ultra is confirmed with 2 vig shots that he must use tonight.
i did a bunch of fake claim and pushing on hotshot and tried to set him up in a trap if he lied.
nothing apparent on the lie end.
hotshot claimed to jail keeper you last night
i watched you
i saw him and aage
aage admitted to being at your place in the night, he has "no idea" what his power is.

And i'm not finishing my claim, since there isn't a point since its proved through 3 people now.

Other notes, im currently pushing strike wolf as scum. You should look into him, and reevaluate.
whatsausage has been inactive.
tfo has been inactive
Anamainiacks has been inactive.


ultra is utterly insane, but its ok. still confirmed.
streaker claimed something similar to hotshot. (roleblocker possibly...)
Did not claim who he blocked.

[StorrZerg]

So in some what serious note. Not sure what to be doing right now.
strike wolf is pending, till people talk about him. really nothing more to talk about...
I know aage said he would get around to it, but thats just one person.

i'll probably look at whatsausage. haven't really paid much attention to him this game.

Like updated reads on current affairs and where people stand right now. In particularly I'd like their views on top 2 lynches for today and briefly why (or in depth idc, just want details)
I've seen plenty of people stopping in, so things have settled down, i so i wait for the reads

the person streaker blocked could be a lead.... idk

[Army of GOD]

If someone else visited Mtam, please say so, since it would out Storr as a liar.

I was thinking about this but then I realized that (if I'm remembering correctly) Storr came out and said two people visited mtam last night when only one was confirmed (Hotshot). If he was lying, how would he know it wasnt just Hotshot? Its either a really ballsy move or someone else visited mtam and got blocked or bussed or something.

[Army of GOD]

Also,as per Storr's case on strike...just no. Ive liked strike's posts from a town POV so far and honestly while I liked Storr's aggression on Hotshot originally now he's kind of looking like he's just trying to attack everyone. I had him slightly town before but now I'm pegging him down to neutral. I'm not sure what to make of everything he's been trying to do.

[UltrasPlot]

Have to agree with AoG here. I think Storr is pinning scum on whoever disagrees with him...we should keep an eye on this. I'm tired right now, but I'll look into it tomorrow and see if I can come up with any leads...

(Not unlynching yet...)

[mtamburini]

Have to agree with AoG here. I think Storr is pinning scum on whoever disagrees with him...we should keep an eye on this. I'm tired right now, but I'll look into it tomorrow and see if I can come up with any leads...

(Not unlynching yet...)

Storrs town, lets RNG this next lynch i think tis better then some of the reads taht have been given out.

[mtamburini]

oh and unvote HOTSHOT, I believe his claim for now.

I think if he continues to JAIL ME it might be best cause I might start giving a shit now that there is some action going on. Up to you hotshot personally dont care.


Ill try and make a lynch list tomorrow.

[Streaker]

Interesting how Aage is playing. Several times already he's taking heat away from Storr, protecting him. The past times could be credited to a town read, but his blatant protection clame is too much.
What were you hoping to achieve with that claim, Aage?

Especially the 'I'm sure i'm not a healer, I think' was weird at least.

The fact that Storr is first gathering information about whom did what, and THEN starting to claim in bits and parts about what his power is, is just super scummy.

The biggest issue right now is Storr refusing to claim. It's a stretch to think an assassin-like role in the game, at this point it would do you (and especially town) more good then bad to claim.


What I don't like is the manner of Ultra's pushing him to claim. I'd lynch Ultra right here and now all over again for his power rush. Seriously dude, you are basicly the only confirmed town, ACT LIKE ONE.

[HotShot53]

Ok, I am going to go through aage's posts from the beginning and quote/comment on anything that looks potentially town or scummy. Going to be really long I assume, so will put it in spoiler tags.

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Well, that all took like 1 1/2 hours to put together, I hope people like the more detailed read. After doing this I think I had town-leaned aage mostly because of his early game mechanics posts... now that I've gone into more detail, I'd have to say I don't town read him anymore, I'd have to say he's now neutral, leaning slightly to the scummy side...
To summarize his voting record: 3rd vote on ultra when the pressure seemed to be decreasing... switched to virus after the lover claims... unvoted virus even though saying he didn't believe anything they said... 3rd vote on dd, another claimed lover.
Today's votes: None. Questioned my reads, but hasn't actually made any cases or significant reads.

His role claim can't be proven, can't be counterclaimed, could be easily faked. I would like to see a full claim with a name etc, so I will vote aage (I still would like storr's full claim, but I guess that's not happening, and his role claim I can believe and seems proven for now, can still be tested later if needed)

[HotShot53]

oh and unvote HOTSHOT, I believe his claim for now.

I think if he continues to JAIL ME it might be best cause I might start giving a shit now that there is some action going on. Up to you hotshot personally dont care.


Ill try and make a lynch list tomorrow.

I look forward to your list. As for jailing you, are you still planning to revive virus/whomever is mislynched if there is a mislynch today? Wait for tomorrow/another time? Whatever you do, having a new perspective for the rest of today can't hurt.