Noted Secret Diplomacy & others betiko/smegal69 [ka]

[Edric Wolfswift]

Both parties have made a concerted effort to cheat, and have admitted to doing so. The time since it may or may not have ended is not important. However, since it clearly happened three years ago, and we cannot say with certainty when it ended, I think a points and medal reset is fully warranted.

[betiko]

Both parties have made a concerted effort to cheat, and have admitted to doing so. The time since it may or may not have ended is not important. However, since it clearly happened three years ago, and we cannot say with certainty when it ended, I think a points and medal reset is fully warranted.

I have admitted cheating with smegal during 1 week on 22 games 3 years ago (I could've denied it; there are countless cases of people not admitting secret diplomacy and mods having no concrete proof of it. We were both hitting our own targets if you look at the logs; only that we did it more than what a good player should) . How about you go make some game searches if you think I'm lying regarding this being a punctual mistake? Do you think a few points gathered 3 years from now have a real influence on the score I have 7000 games later without any form of cheating? Not to mention that I have lost way more points against cheaters that I have won that week 3 years ago. My actual score is totally legit and due to hard work on my games.
And yes, there are 10 ish unique kills for some medals that I have earned illegally 3 years ago due to this crap, not like it means that the medals I have are illegitimate as that represents not even 1% of unique kills gathered for most of them and would still leave me with the same medals today if I hadn't done such thing with smegal.

[arno30]

betiko may be french, but he has gained some sort of reputation here. I mean, I don't think I could do volunteer work ever, so training idiots how to play, organizing tournaments, it has to have some value.

that made my day !

[Armandolas]

This site should have a cheating medal. They love medals so much , so they should have that medal stamped in their profile forever.

[smegal69]

so out of my over inflated list, you say we did not cheat on three of them, wow that's a huge list you got there .....a bit far from half of them been legit games like you said. but all three off them should be inculded

by betiko » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:26 am
Game 11683365 10/12 absolutely not the case we were long done with that crap. We thought we were joining a dubs game and we realized it was a singles game. We knew each other was the biggest threat so we started attacking the crap out of each other; at some point we were going to let the cook win by doing that so we had to both go for him before it was too late. I then seized the best oportunity to attack you when the cook stopped being a threat as you would've won otherwise. Just a typical game with nothing fishy other than you feeling butthurt as I attacked first taking your strategic positions before you would do it to me.

strange if i hated you why were we trying to join a game together?

and when we realized it was not a team game........

yes we did discuss a plan for this game on skype, and then you went against the plan and stab me in the back (another reason not to like you) and full on attacked me, did we not discuss not killing each other until we killed them, but then you seen a chance of winning the game and full on attacked me.
so not only did we plan to cheat but you took the first opportunity you could to stab me in the back and take the win ...... but that really showed me your character and what you would do to get a win

in one of them 1 Vs 1 games you stated that you were giving me points back that you owed me, do you still say that game was not thrown, so are you denying keeping a running total of the points from the ridge games?

and in the second 1 Vs 1 game, we did plan off CC that i was going to win and then you tired to screw me out of winning it ....... another backstabbing move

like i said, stand up like a man and take the punishment for what we both knew was wrong, show me you have got grown a spine.

that will be my last post on this matter, and i wait to see what punishment CC feels fit for our breach of the rules.

[Edric Wolfswift]

I have admitted cheating with smegal during 1 week on 22 games 3 years ago

Hmmmm... I have looked through the rules and I do not see any mention of a statute of limitations. Whether it was three years ago or three months ago is not a valid point. The valid points are that you admit cheating, and you admit doing so 22 times.

[betiko]

so out of my over inflated list, you say we did not cheat on three of them, wow that's a huge list you got there .....a bit far from half of them been legit games like you said. but all three off them should be inculded

by betiko » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:26 am
Game 11683365 10/12 absolutely not the case we were long done with that crap. We thought we were joining a dubs game and we realized it was a singles game. We knew each other was the biggest threat so we started attacking the crap out of each other; at some point we were going to let the cook win by doing that so we had to both go for him before it was too late. I then seized the best oportunity to attack you when the cook stopped being a threat as you would've won otherwise. Just a typical game with nothing fishy other than you feeling butthurt as I attacked first taking your strategic positions before you would do it to me.

strange if i hated you why were we trying to join a game together?

and when we realized it was not a team game........

yes we did discuss a plan for this game on skype, and then you went against the plan and stab me in the back (another reason not to like you) and full on attacked me, did we not discuss not killing each other until we killed them, but then you seen a chance of winning the game and full on attacked me.
so not only did we plan to cheat but you took the first opportunity you could to stab me in the back and take the win ...... but that really showed me your character and what you would do to get a win

in one of them 1 Vs 1 games you stated that you were giving me points back that you owed me, do you still say that game was not thrown, so are you denying keeping a running total of the points from the ridge games?

and in the second 1 Vs 1 game, we did plan off CC that i was going to win and then you tired to screw me out of winning it ....... another backstabbing move

like i said, stand up like a man and take the punishment for what we both knew was wrong, show me you have got grown a spine.

that will be my last post on this matter, and i wait to see what punishment CC feels fit for our breach of the rules.

stand up like a man? really? Have I been hiding behind something throughout this entire thread? This was most likely what you were hoping for; and I have taken responsability for my actions and admitted the cheating we did in november 2011.
The stalingrad game happened exactly as I stated. We didn't plan to join a 4 players singles, overlooked and thought it was a team game 2v2. Once it started we were too busy kicking each other's ass and the cook became overpowerful and we had to work together to avoid his win before it was too late. In multi singles there is a point where you have caught up on the leader and who does the first move wins; mostly in freestyle.
And yes, the 2 1v1 games were games I found while browsing public "join a game" and saw you waiting for games there. I joined them for a little joke and unfortuately lost both of them. You are so full of shit to mention they were set games; and you are really trying anything possible to make it look even worse than it already is. The gamechat as I already stated in the 1v1 on that manual deploy game where you started and kicked my ass on round one was pure jest to give a bad excuse for losing.
I wil "stand up like a man" as you say for the game frenzy we had in november 2011; but I will not accept your accusations for those other 3 games that were played within the rules in 2012.

[betiko]

I have admitted cheating with smegal during 1 week on 22 games 3 years ago

Hmmmm... I have looked through the rules and I do not see any mention of a statute of limitations. Whether it was three years ago or three months ago is not a valid point. The valid points are that you admit cheating, and you admit doing so 22 times.

It probably doesn't change anything regarding the rules and from your perspective; I don't care. What I do care about is to explain is the truth; that I've done this dumb thing during a week with smegal 3 years ago, and after the fun during the action came the remorse and the promise to myself not to ever do it again. Now we are 3 years away from that and I have never done that kind of shit again. This is just a game, and if this so important to you what someone did 3 years ago during a very short period of time playing that game with a friend (against players that have alsmot all left the site since), well fine by me. There are probably more important things in life you could save your desire of justice for.

I think this will be my last post in this thread too; I've explained all that needed to be explained.

[owenshooter]

Benji's Widow is back?! what? huh? what is going on?!! ok... seriously, you turn yourself and your CC buddy in 3 years after the fact for one week of cheating? give me a break... people talking point reset are just being ridiculous... medal reset, even more convoluted... give them a warning... period... betiko is an active member of the community and has admitted his wrongs from 3 years ago... let it go... if they engage in the behaviour again, give them an appropriate punishment... but this, this is the equivalent of an ex-lover from years ago calling up your current girlfriend and dishing dirt on you... too late, mate... this is ridiculous...-Jésus noir™

[Serbia]

Benji's Widow is back?! what? huh? what is going on?!! ok... seriously, you turn yourself and your CC buddy in 3 years after the fact for one week of cheating? give me a break... people talking point reset are just being ridiculous... medal reset, even more convoluted... give them a warning... period... betiko is an active member of the community and has admitted his wrongs from 3 years ago... let it go... if they engage in the behaviour again, give them an appropriate punishment... but this, this is the equivalent of an ex-lover from years ago calling up your current girlfriend and dishing dirt on you... too late, mate... this is ridiculous...-Jésus noir™

100%. I doubt there will be any punishment given. Maybe an official warning, though with the passing of time I wouldn't be shocked if all they do is Note this. When the infraction occurred does make a difference.

Bollocks.

[fairman]

I found another strange assassin 3 players game Game 236917
Maybe an investigation should be sent?

We all know that assassin medal is hard to reach (not a lot of different player are playong this mode, that's why I get a silver medal, nothing to do with the fact that I'm not good of course!)
We all know that game with three player are nightmare, when you loose it's always the fault of the other guy that lost
We all have done things that can be shown as "touching the line" :
- to get a freestyle medal, you never join a game with a noob?
- all this party created, wainting for noobs to join? (exemple : Game 14998368, nothing personnal, proof 2 of them speak french)
- joining a double game with a low rank teamate to get your teammate medals but writing in the chat every single move he has to make)
- creating minimal tournament (8 team of 2, with quarter, semi and final, so 7 games created)
and so on ...
All of us have been one day or another closed to the limit.

They've done that 3 years ago, during less than a month. Well that's bad, they recognized it.

Give your ass, get a spank, swear on the Bible to never do it again (well already 3 years that you stopped, I think that it is not like smoking, should be easy), and let's move on!

[owenshooter]

Give your ass, get a spank, swear on the Bible to never do it again (well already 3 years that you stopped, I think that it is not like smoking, should be easy), and let's move on!

well, that's the interesting part... since then, Betiko has moved on and done wonders for french relations across the globe (who knew any of us could ever like a french guy?), the other guy has multiple infractions and official warnings... if anything, Betiko should be noted and the person filing the report should take another step up that escalating punishment scale that we all know and love so much...-Jésus noir

[Major.Bossman]

This is getting out of hand. This is becoming a judgement of character instead of a judgement on secret diplomacy. This is not about what either of them has done during the three year period after the admitted cheating. Let's just wait for the mods to decide the verdict.

[owenshooter]

This is getting out of hand. This is becoming a judgement of character instead of a judgement on secret diplomacy. This is not about what either of them has done during the three year period after the admitted cheating. Let's just wait for the mods to decide the verdict.

i really don't see how you see this as being a "judgement of character", people are just finding it a bit odd and overly vindictive to come after someone like this. the accuser loses 6 straight up clan war games against Betiko and then all of a sudden comes clean on something they did 3 years ago over a 1 week span. since then, Betiko has not had any gaming infractions and the accuser has had multiple. if you consider stating facts as being judging character, than i am judging character. these are facts, not assumptions, not guesses, not feelings i have towards one player or the other. one has broken the rules multiple times and should continue to go up the escalating punishment scale, the other should be noted and receive a warning. going to be interesting how they rule on this one...-Jésus noir™

[smegal69]

This is getting out of hand. This is becoming a judgement of character instead of a judgement on secret diplomacy. This is not about what either of them has done during the three year period after the admitted cheating. Let's just wait for the mods to decide the verdict.

i really don't see how you see this as being a "judgement of character", people are just finding it a bit odd and overly vindictive to come after someone like this. the accuser loses 6 straight up clan war games against Betiko and then all of a sudden comes clean on something they did 3 years ago over a 1 week span. since then, Betiko has not had any gaming infractions and the accuser has had multiple. if you consider stating facts as being judging character, than i am judging character. these are facts, not assumptions, not guesses, not feelings i have towards one player or the other. one has broken the rules multiple times and should continue to go up the escalating punishment scale, the other should be noted and receive a warning. going to be interesting how they rule on this one...-Jésus noir™

can you please show multiple gaming infraction by the accuser or are you making up facts

[Serbia]

This is getting out of hand. This is becoming a judgement of character instead of a judgement on secret diplomacy. This is not about what either of them has done during the three year period after the admitted cheating. Let's just wait for the mods to decide the verdict.

i really don't see how you see this as being a "judgement of character", people are just finding it a bit odd and overly vindictive to come after someone like this. the accuser loses 6 straight up clan war games against Betiko and then all of a sudden comes clean on something they did 3 years ago over a 1 week span. since then, Betiko has not had any gaming infractions and the accuser has had multiple. if you consider stating facts as being judging character, than i am judging character. these are facts, not assumptions, not guesses, not feelings i have towards one player or the other. one has broken the rules multiple times and should continue to go up the escalating punishment scale, the other should be noted and receive a warning. going to be interesting how they rule on this one...-Jésus noir™

can you please show multiple gaming infraction by the accuser or are you making up facts

A quick search yields 2 threads:
simmons4/tec805/davsweeney/smegal69[noted/warned] Result = a blanket "warning" from king achilles
simmons4 and smegal69 [noted] BG Result = noted by BGtheBrain

Bollocks.

[Gweeedo]

betiko, you are a disgrace.
Punishment; Mark his wall with a yeller stripe, for all to see his shame.
I do not feel as thought betico is sincere in his apology...why does he continue to defend himself?
I cheat, only if I have to(nyuk, nyuk); betiko reason for cheating is habitual in nature.
Don't ever speak of honor...you have none!

Now, concerning smegal69, Crucify him!

Allowing betico to defend his medals in single combat, would serve justice.

[rhp 1]

I'm not sure what's funnier... The fact that Betiko is one of the more arrogant, witless pricks on here, and then we hear ab this little scheme.... Or.. That there are people that would cheat for "medals" on a gaming website... Lmao! Personally I couldn't care less what happens to either of them, i do remember Betiko calling me out about my lack of variety in the medals I have.. Well... I guess no comment on that part is necessary... Hahaha... Its like cheating in a poker game for chips that can't be cashed out for actual money.. Lol... Fkn nerd.

[betiko]

I'm not sure what's funnier... The fact that Betiko is one of the most arrogant, witless pricks on here, and then we hear ab this little scheme.... Or.. That there are people that would cheat for "medals" on a gaming website... Lmao! Personally I couldn't care less what happens to either of them, i do remember Betiko calling me out about my lack of variety in the medals I have.. Well... I guess no comment on that part is necessary... Hahaha... Its like cheating in a poker game for chips that can't be cashed out for actual money.. Lol... Fkn nerd.

fixed!

[betiko]

For the record RHP1, you are in no position to make any sort of "moral comments" as such, as i remember perfectly how you gave the game to your clanmate no survivors in this battle royale freestyle:

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=13819273

You standed there during 18 full seconds not moving so that nos could kill you easier and triple trade to bag the game. Anyone knowing a bit how battle royale freestyles work know that 18s is an eternity and that you claim being "cheetah with rockets fast".

[persianempire]

im SO shocked that betiko would do something like this..... 3 years after the fact, if smegal didnt decide to come clean yall would never have known. leads to the question how many other collaborations have occured that yall will never know about..

lifetime bans are in order. betiko and all his followers. this is not on the level of a warning, time needs to be served.

[Serbia]

im SO shocked that betiko would do something like this..... 3 years after the fact, if smegal didnt decide to come clean yall would never have known. leads to the question how many other collaborations have occured that yall will never know about..

lifetime bans are in order. betiko and all his followers. this is not on the level of a warning, time needs to be served.

What is the nature of your axe you're looking to grind?

Bollocks.

[smegal69]

This is getting out of hand. This is becoming a judgement of character instead of a judgement on secret diplomacy. This is not about what either of them has done during the three year period after the admitted cheating. Let's just wait for the mods to decide the verdict.

i really don't see how you see this as being a "judgement of character", people are just finding it a bit odd and overly vindictive to come after someone like this. the accuser loses 6 straight up clan war games against Betiko and then all of a sudden comes clean on something they did 3 years ago over a 1 week span. since then, Betiko has not had any gaming infractions and the accuser has had multiple. if you consider stating facts as being judging character, than i am judging character. these are facts, not assumptions, not guesses, not feelings i have towards one player or the other. one has broken the rules multiple times and should continue to go up the escalating punishment scale, the other should be noted and receive a warning. going to be interesting how they rule on this one...-Jésus noir™

can you please show multiple gaming infraction by the accuser or are you making up facts

A quick search yields 2 threads:
simmons4/tec805/davsweeney/smegal69[noted/warned] Result = a blanket "warning" from king achilles
simmons4 and smegal69 [noted] BG Result = noted by BGtheBrain

Bollocks.

Thanks for the search Serbia,
And both cases were thrown out ....... oh no they were noted, and got a warning for doing something that there was no rules against

Case 1

simmons4/tec805/davsweeney/smegal69[noted/warned] Result = a blanket "warning" from king achilles

king achilles on Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:46 pm "Noted and warned"
To the accused, let this report serve as your warning to stop doing this. We know there are many things that can be discovered and capitalized on to work to your own advantage but please, let's not overdo it. Use your common sense to know what is fair and what is no longer right. We are destroying the essence of the game if we keep on exploiting certain systems. You risk of being branded in a certain way and as how the saying goes, you are only cheating yourselves. If we win - good! If we lose, we lose. Let's not wait for someone to correct us before we actually set things right if we are already aware of what we're doing. This has been noted. I hope we don't get another same report about you guys in the future.

The funny thing is maybe betiko should have been named in that C&A report also

betiko on Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:25 am
to be perfectly honest, probably because you do somehow have a point chuuck. I played like 5 or 6 games of those, I know they were not fair for team 2. I've been in many cc game ambushes, and I just wanted to advance my medal i played a few of those out of many other game modes.
I think we all know it's not completely fair, and that it's a technique commonly used. Maybe a few pack guys played a bit too much of these in the past days.
But don't worry, they are all more than legit top tier brigs (even if codeblue might not agree, but I think that our clan wars result prove we are not that mediocre). maybe they did get a bit gready to reach their first star.
I just think we all got the point and won't do it again that's why all games have been dropped.
Apologies to the CC comunity that might have been bothered by this, won't happen again, but I do think this incident showed that a change must be made in team freestyle games and the way they are initialized because starting first is a great advantage.
And I one of the guys that really thinks freestyle should be treated as a different game with a different scoreboard.

cheers.

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Case 2

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=192036&p=4203410&hilit=smegal69#p4203410

and we were cleared of been multies and they even checked we were doing our own turns, and we were.

After closely looking at this one, I am noting it for the future.
It does appear that each user was taking their own turns in the game(s)

still waiting for a explanation why this was noted and not dismissed

Yeah, no more making notes for future reference!!

Noting something doesn't mean anything, stahrgazer. It just means that they can keep track of it in case there actually is a pattern of abuse. I'm not mad about this getting noted: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=176059

I understand what "noted" means, chapcrap. My point is, how is it any part of a pattern "of abuse" for a freestyle team to log in at the same time, unless their isp's are the same, which should be check-able. If it was checked and the isp's are the same, then I can understand this being "noted."

Otherwise, unless CC is saying freestyle players can never play their turns at the same time, then "noting" this is ridiculous.

I can almost guarantee you that unless CC does make that rule that in TEAM Freestyle, that the TEAMS cannot make their moves at the same time, but must do so totally sequentally - then I guarantee you that you WILL see a pattern of these two taking their turns at approximately the same time. Sometimes, they may even log in within 3 (not 30) seconds of each other, depending on their isp/computer lagtimes.

Moreover, if this is noted - without "the same isp" (and I'm pretty sure you won't find their isp's being the same or even similar) then CC should hunt down and "note" any other freestyle team that coordinates their moves.

After closely looking at this one, I am noting it for the future.

It does appear that each user was taking their own turns in the game(s)

please explain why this has been noted and not dismissed.

[betiko]

Totally the same thing smegal!
I played 6 of those with you while you have played 96:

https://www.conquerclub.com/player.php? ... &mode=find

When i was going on skype to play turns on our games you guys were always busy playing those. It does take a lot of strategy and coordination to play them perfect, and they are actually pretty fun. The problem is that they almost leave no chance to the opponent when the plan works out. Nevertheless, you played almost a hundread of those for half a dozen on my part. You clearly abused of those dodgy team unlimited freestyle and benefitted of it at an industrial level of farming. Also you basically started hating me after that report because I said, after playing 5-6 of those with you, that this game mode leaves virtually no chance to the opponents and that we should stop playing it. Anyway, you ve invited half of the pack to play those games with you and simmons4, so stop talking crap again.

[betiko]

im SO shocked that betiko would do something like this..... 3 years after the fact, if smegal didnt decide to come clean yall would never have known. leads to the question how many other collaborations have occured that yall will never know about..

lifetime bans are in order. betiko and all his followers. this is not on the level of a warning, time needs to be served.

What is the nature of your axe you're looking to grind?

Bollocks.

I just got my 3 best forum friends here!
Persian empire; wasn t too happy to see him sport a waffen SS avatar. Also he told me his name is because according to all the nazi stuff he worships, aryens were originally from persia. And he doesn t like that I don t like waffen SS and nazi proselitism.

Rhp1: thinks of himself as one of the best overall players CC has had the chance to have. Bold havoc technician who thinks CC is a dating site, trying out all the postures he can to look cool on his avatar before putting it on his grindr account. Spends his time on forums to tell everyone how this is just a game (he heard that from the cool jocks that used to beat him in high school) and will give his opinion about anything game related as if he was talking about an important subject. never understood his dichotomy.

Gweedo: not a bad lad, only an adult who thinks like a kid and is hyperactive. Very tiring to read all his posts. He doesn t understand much of the game and speaks as if he was a veteran all around cc to give bad advice.