PYP~Mafia [05/21] end game

[mtamburini]

Thanks grt, got it. Mtam, your plan isn't helpful to town if we lynch hotshot, find out he was telling the truth, then lynch dj to find that he was townie NRA. I'd like to hear more from dj.

So you agree that hotshot trying to lynch me or DJ is stupid then yes?

[Killuminati19]

Not sure if stupid is the word, but overzealous or premature, yes.

[mtamburini]

Not sure if stupid is the word, but overzealous or premature, yes.

At least someone is thinking with their brain here. Where would you like to look then? Ill be online for another couple hours lets have a chat

[grt]

Not sure if stupid is the word, but overzealous or premature, yes.

At least someone is thinking with their brain here. Where would you like to look then? Ill be online for another couple hours lets have a chat

What are your thoughts about looking at the bottom of the list? Mafia are going to lynch one of the top so possibly we could lose a useful role. If there is no clear mafia choice at the top then maybe down below we could hit lucky or at least minimse our loss on day 1.

[StorrZerg]

TheForgivenOne
Has replaced Some7hingCLEVER

[mtamburini]

Not sure if stupid is the word, but overzealous or premature, yes.

At least someone is thinking with their brain here. Where would you like to look then? Ill be online for another couple hours lets have a chat

What are your thoughts about looking at the bottom of the list? Mafia are going to lynch one of the top so possibly we could lose a useful role. If there is no clear mafia choice at the top then maybe down below we could hit lucky or at least minimse our loss on day 1.

I really dont think draft list means anything TBH unless everyone claims what number they sent to the mod, we can probably draw conclusions from the numbers chosen in the latter stages of the game,

[HotShot53]

Hotshot's unsolicited claim is not sustainable over the long haul if he were lying. Between mtam and dj I am now inclined to believe mtam. Very possible dj doesn't want to out himself as townie NRA though. By the way, where is the vote thread?

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=208086

Don't forget "Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted." Crasp you have voted but not correct format

1) Who are you?
2) Who is your daddy and what does he do?
3) Define a "good" role

1. I'm town
2. He was town too
3. Maybe good was the wrong word - maybe just role would have done.

mtamburini I'm happy with your response and makes for some interesting discussion around the top 3. I'm inclined to steer clear of top few on the draw initially as statistically we are unlikely to lynch mafia first go and assuming majority of these top places got a role we could do without losing too many at the start.

I don't think we found out why some people didn't vote on which roles to ban or come to think of it I can't remember seeing anything from Some7hingCLEVER or Iron Butterfly. As they are bottom they are unlikely to have roles which could be of benefit to us and their actions (or lack of) seem a little scummy to me. I played with Iron Butterfly before and he was quite vocal if I remember correctly. I'm leaning in that direction for the moment.

How do you feel about lynching hot shot since he claims (VT) do you think a VT is a good trade instead of lynching a potential town PR? And if he is VT then town well know that either myself or DJ is NRA (It would be DJ) Hotshot makes the assumption that one of me and DJ is mafia and is super convinced we all cant be town.

VOTE HOTSHOT TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE

Also if hotshot does flip over VT if you dont understand the mechanics that would mean one of me and DJ are the NRA (again not me) so you shouldnt use a night action on us. Some people are herp derp and will forget that. I was thinking that someone with a night action should claim to visit me or DJ but then mafia can just meta it so thats a bad idea.

As I said before, I am a vanilla townie... while my death wouldn't be disastrous for town, it also would prevent protection and investigative roles from visiting either mtam or dj, since either could be the NRA member. However, if one of you is lynched, then either we lynch the NRA member, where it is safe to protect/investigate the other, or we lynch the wrong person and then the other is the NRA member and should be avoided at night.

[mtamburini]

In this last post you mention nothing about neither of us being scum just accusing us of being NRA member. Are you considering the fact that we are both town or do you just want to lynch the NRA. Your logic is not present

[mtamburini]

Im pretty sure hotshot just slipped, he is more concerned on finding out who the NRA is rather than finding scum, he needs to be lynched.

[TheForgivenOne]

TheForgivenOne
Has replaced Some7hingCLEVER

Hey Y'all. I'll read up tonight as tonight is my free night.

[Metsfanmax]

mtam's being a giant dick, but he also has a point. Even if mtam or Dj are NRA member, they're not necessarily mafia and so there's no rush to lynch them -- statistically without other information, the chance that one of those two is mafia is less than half. That being said, I think Hotshot's move is way too brazen for him to be scum, so I'm not going to move on any of this today. We need more time, and we have it.

I'm going to join grt in voting for Iron Butterfly -- I'd honestly rather lynch an inactive than make a guess in this mess.

[HotShot53]

In this last post you mention nothing about neither of us being scum just accusing us of being NRA member. Are you considering the fact that we are both town or do you just want to lynch the NRA. Your logic is not present

Since I know the NRA member has lied, that leads me to believe he is scum. So finding the NRA member = finding scum. While I guess there is a chance that the NRA member is town, I would need a pretty good argument as to why they lied to believe it.

[StorrZerg]

Vote Count Day 1

charm (1): streaker
Whatsausage(1): strike wolf
mtamburini (3): HotShot53, crasp, jonty125
HotShot53 (1): mtamburini
Iron Butterfly (2): grt, Metsfanmax

Currently mtamburini is set to be lynched with 3 votes.

Currently 13 players have not placed votes
Djfireside, Killuminati19, virus90, legionnare, charm, Whatsausage, dd515087, aage, Zivel, jwiedlin, pancakemix, Iron Butterfly, TheForgivenOne.

Voting is Mandatory!
You may vote No lynch, but you are not allowed to abstain from voting.
Deadline is 10/8 17:00 Roughly 22 hours from this post.

Voting thread
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1#p4565571

[strike wolf]

Mtam does have a few points though he isn't likely to win people over by insulting their intellectual capabilities and in case he didn't understand that. Mtam you're being an idiot if you think people are going to respond to what you say positively when you call them idiots.

Hotshot would be the safe lynch right now but i am not sure he is the right lynch. I don't see him lying that there is an NRA agent out there as mafia or town (as someone else pointed out there is some risk where if he was lying he could be caught day 1 and doesn't factor in possibility of vig kills if we don't follow Mtam's plan to lynch him) which just makes the fact that DJ and Mtam are not coming forward saying they are NRA seem more suspect. I will say this to both of them now, if either of you are NRA and trying to hide that, this is the time to come forward and say so.

[aage]

As I said before, I am a vanilla townie... while my death wouldn't be disastrous for town, it also would prevent protection and investigative roles from visiting either mtam or dj, since either could be the NRA member. However, if one of you is lynched, then either we lynch the NRA member, where it is safe to protect/investigate the other, or we lynch the wrong person and then the other is the NRA member and should be avoided at night.

This shit is shit. Town wants to find out who the NRA is, not kill him and ask questions later. Mtam has an excellent point against this.


Secondly, why the f*ck is everyone discounting the possibility that Hotshot is talking out of his ass and that he actually did get NRA?

I'll be voting Hotshot, cya guys tomorrow.

[Metsfanmax]

Storr, what happens to people who don't vote?

[Metsfanmax]

Secondly, why the f*ck is everyone discounting the possibility that Hotshot is talking out of his ass and that he actually did get NRA?

Mind = blown

[mtamburini]

Mtam does have a few points though he isn't likely to win people over by insulting their intellectual capabilities and in case he didn't understand that. Mtam you're being an idiot if you think people are going to respond to what you say positively when you call them idiots.

Hotshot would be the safe lynch right now but i am not sure he is the right lynch. I don't see him lying that there is an NRA agent out there as mafia or town (as someone else pointed out there is some risk where if he was lying he could be caught day 1 and doesn't factor in possibility of vig kills if we don't follow Mtam's plan to lynch him) which just makes the fact that DJ and Mtam are not coming forward saying they are NRA seem more suspect. I will say this to both of them now, if either of you are NRA and trying to hide that, this is the time to come forward and say so.

Hear to hunt scum, Im a alone wolf looking for people to join me in my quest. Thus far I want you charm and crasp in my corner, im coming around on grt I like the posts hes done today.

I could come around off hotshot and go onto other people if a case is provided against them. One of my other suspects is jonty for his piss poor reasoning for voting today. Thoughts?

[jwiedlin]

I've also put my vote on Iron Butterfly (for now) to avoid a mislynch of the top three drafters.

A lot of powers can come into play night one / day two to clear up the mess on the top three drafters. Lynching one of these three right now leaves a lot room for a mistake to be made. For all we know, mtam, dj, and hotshot could all be town.

@mtam, I don't agree with jonty's reasoning, but I don't think he is completely out of line.

[crasp]

I still say there is scum at the top. mafia were allowed to collude to ensure they got there. Right now the safest bet is hot shot. VT was the only thing he could claim. If he is scum he couldnt claim it or a scum role. At No3 he couldnt claim a low role as nobody would believe him. He couldnt claim a medium role as somebody would probably have it. Couldnt claim NRA as there was a threat of a lynch. Dont see any point in moving from the top 3 with less than a day to go. There is also a chance we end up taking out a power role rather than a low ranked VT. Does it matter if if is a low VT or a high VT. If he turns VT then we know NRA is either MT or DJ. Then again we might turn scum. If he doesent i would say one of these two are.

FP jwielden.

[StorrZerg]

Storr, what happens to people who don't vote?

Case by case basis. Could be just a warning, could be mod kill.
I don't want to mod kill, so just vote.

[dd515087]

I think there are a couple reasons for one of those 3 not to claim NRA, 1. At the very beginning a few people (I don't remember who) wanted to lynch the NRA no matter if they were town or mafia 2. They are the obvious targets for a mafia night kill because they probably have the most powerful roles and if one of them is a townie NRA it would be an easy way to get rid of a mafia
Right now I'm leaning either HotShot or IronButterfly for my vote

[mtamburini]

I think there are a couple reasons for one of those 3 not to claim NRA, 1. At the very beginning a few people (I don't remember who) wanted to lynch the NRA no matter if they were town or mafia 2. They are the obvious targets for a mafia night kill because they probably have the most powerful roles and if one of them is a townie NRA it would be an easy way to get rid of a mafia
Right now I'm leaning either HotShot or IronButterfly for my vote

Why iron butterfly?

[Whatsausage]

@mtam, you never answered my question. I suppose I understand since you are at the center of everything, but here it is again. Why did you vote for CPR doctor to be banned (at the top of page 7)?

And since voting is compulsory, I better vote now so I don't forget tomorrow
Right now I am going to vote no lynch because it is too soon to make an informed decision on hotshot vs mtam vs dj. And as for Iron Butterfly... Why? Just because we have the power to lynch? What are we really going to gain from that? He is an inactive for whatever reason. If he is scumarrizing, then that is what it is. But it seems to me he just isn't around for the game at all. We would gain much more from a replacement (probably vanilla, probably town) than basically a blind kill

fpd by mtam

[mtamburini]

That role in the wrong hands is detrimental, I would only trust myself with that role and no one else