Noted TSWillis86 and Commander Cosmo [BG]

[Donelladan]

BauerF, all your points are corrects and I understand them. At the beginning when I read your posts, I was 100% convinced they were guilty. That is why I reviewed some ot their game to find something that would prove it. I did not ( but I only reviewed few games, 5 or 6).

And so far, except this point "
5 - One of them won 7 of last 10 games they played together." there is no proof of secret diplomacy or them coordinating the move.

I still find it is a bit odd they often play one after another, but this is, in my opinion, insufficient to say they are guilty.( please be aware I am a simple user just like you, so whatever I said is irrelevant until a mod come here and confirm something).

But as I said, if you want to convince us ( and the mod) that they do engage in secret diplomacy, you need several example of games where they clearly play to favor each other. You did not so far give here any example where we can clearly see they helped each other.

Take one game, and decorticates their move round by round to show they never attack each other in several of them. Then do that for 5 games at least, and you have a valid case.

[BauerF]

Thanks, Donelladan, I´m gonna try to do that.

But I have something new:

Raybaer, who is playing the game in which in realized the cheating – Game 14627477 – has just agreed with my evaluation.

It’s a foggy game, so he hadn’t been able to see TSWillis86 and Commander Cosmo mutual borders before. After breaking through their defenses, he could find out that I was telling the truth. They had completely undefended borders between their bonus regions, and didn’t attack each other.

You can check there, Raybaer has written in the Game Chat Game 14627477: “I agree with red (me) that having completely undefended borders from each other was pretty suspicious yellow(TSWillis86)/blue(Commander Cosmo)”.

I'm not concerned about the points, I had never denounced someone before. Just can't bear people cheating on those who just wanna have some fun playing according the rules...

[BauerF]

Donelladan,

The foggy game I was playing with TSWillis86 and Commander Cosmo is over. The fog was lifted and I can prove easily that they were cheating. This is the link: Game 14627477

Commander Cosmo, in his first move, deployed 3 on Ealing, didn’t attack anyone and reinforced Ealing from with 2 troops from Brent, leaving it with a single troop, undefended. Why? Cause TSWillis86 was the next one to play.

TSWillis86, in his turn (only 4 minutes later then Commander), deployed 3 troops on Hammersmith and attacked undefended Brent. He reforced Brent with 2 troops from Hounslow, leaving it with a single troop.

Why? Because he knew that only Commander Cosmo could take it. He was controlling Richmond and Ealing, the only territories that have borders with Hounslow (besides Hammersmith, that TSWillis86 had then got, and Hillingdon, which was neutral).

How can I know he had those territories? Easy, because in his next round, Commander Cosmo attacked Hounslow from Ealing and reforced it with 2 just from Richmond.

In his next movement, TSWillis86 attacked from Brent and got Camden, Harrow and Hillingdon, assuming the control of a whole bonus region (Northwest), which gives +3 troops per round. He could do that because he knew that the only one who could attack him on Hillingdon or Brent was Commander Cosmo and he wouldn’t. So, I he left those territories with a single troop (it was the second round, he couldn’t have a lot of troops…) and concentrated his armies in Candem, where he could be attacked by other players.

In his 3rd turn, Commander Cosmo knew that TSWillis86 had Northwest. He didn’t take it from him, but attacked another player and got Hammersmith from TSWillis86, in the West. Even trying to take control over “West”, he didn’t care that TSWillis86 got and maintained the bonus in Northwest.

Playing in sequence, TSWillis86 got his Northwest bonus. He should defend his region and didn’t show any fear from Commander Cosmo. On the contrary, he attacked just another player (Raybaer) and me.

It was a foggy game, and when I saw TSWillis86 got a bonus in Northwest, I attacked him and took Brent from him.

Commander Cosmo, in his round, attacked Kensington and Westminster from me and another player, conquering the whole West. He also took Brent from me. Why? To give it back to TSWillis86, so TSWillis86 could have Northwest back.

It really happened some minutes later: TSWillis86 got Brent back from Commander Cosmo.

At that time, they both had two regions, which were neighbor regions.

If they were fair players (which is quite clear they are not) in his next turn, Commander Cosmo would probably attack the Northwest, to prevent a rival (TSWillis86) from receiving his bonus. Obviously, that didn’t happen.

What did he do?

He decided to attack me in City and then Tower Hamlets.

Why?

Because he knew that I had just got the East.

But how could he know that, if he wasn’t there and it was a foggy game?

Because TSWillis was in the North, and could see my progress there.

It was this attack that made me suspicious…

… and now, with the fog of war lifted, I can be sure that I was right.

Well, I believe I don't need to go on. I could, be it is enought, isn't it?

It is completely proven that, multi or relatives/friends playing together, he (they) is(are) trickster(s).

[Frox333]

Well that is a good argument. Also, since both of your arguments have been made, I'm with donelldan on this and say that the mods decide it from here.

[Commander Cosmo]

OMG - your argument is full of assumptions and "probably"'s . I reaffirm all of my prior arguments and leave it at that. I will note that BauerF has WAY too much time on his hands to be concocting conspiracy theories such as the above. As promised, I will refrain from further defending myself (and to a lesser extent, Willis), from this nonsense. I leave it in the hands of the Admins to find justice.

[BGtheBrain]

Locking this while I look it all over.

[BGtheBrain]

After extensively reviewing more games than i can count, I do not find sufficient evidence that there is secret diplomacy going on.

If it were me, to avoid something like this in the future, I would play team games, but they are free to play whatever.

This will be NOTED for the future.