CYOC: TDT [6/22] Game Over! FREEDOM!!!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Edoc had been voting for betiko... so if his vote counts, then jak will be lynched (jak is up 6 votes to 5 after that switch)

At this point I lean to vote betiko. I think it's better to have constant noise from jak than constant silence from betiko. That and jak seems to be trying at least. Betiko seems to have given up already.

Well... vote Betiko. He may convince me otherwise yet, but he's the better option.

[jonty125]

If I could go back and pick who to kill would I change it? No. I wouldn't.

So you would still knowingly shoot a town empowerer, which I'm gonna guess has had some detrimental effect to some town roles and you would still shoot him again?


[quote"jak111"]My D2 play, please explain this fully.[/quote] There are walls of text on this throughout the game jak, but I'll pick out the highlights.

Literally, if town wants my help, show it.

Comments like these, if you are town-aligned of course town wants your help, town don't owe you anything.


In other news Doom has been posting. jmac that's my horse.

[Jmac1026]

Edoc forgot to bold/color his vote. And for that, his horse is mine.

Edocsil, that's my horse!

[jak111]

@ Nebuch, again, if I stop, that's giving up to a BS case on me to begin with. I'd rather keep fighting them than let them lynch a town and make mafia/3rd party that much closer to a win.

If I could go back and pick who to kill would I change it? No. I wouldn't.

So you would still knowingly shoot a town empowerer, which I'm gonna guess has had some detrimental effect to some town roles and you would still shoot him again?

Now this is twisting words. I believe it's my last post that I answered this with the assumption I did not know what he'd flip. Otherwise that is just stupid to say without that context and you're knowingly twisting it.

I killed Zivel, get over it. This is Mafia, I did what I thought would be a good move to kill a scummy player early on. I did not know his role neither did anyone else. Killing him was as good as any other kill I could of done last night.

You used a night action that unnecessarily damaged town, and you keep insisting it was the right move. If a vig had vigged N1, that wouldn't be OK, but with you it seems not only is it OK to vig N1, it's as if your action was the perfect action last night and you are not listening to the other players, which is scummy.

I have admitted to it being a mistake. I think Strike Wolf should be reading this so he can see what true word twisting looks like.

Literally, if town wants my help, show it.

Comments like these, if you are town-aligned of course town wants your help, town don't owe you anything.

Nor do I owe town anything past what I've already given. I will help town when I can, but I will not listen to potential scum order me around who expect a pat on the back by the town. I will protect who I believe is town.

That last sentence brings me to another thing. In my eyes anyone in this game can be mafia. I don't have a mason partner or teammates. I don't have an investigation role nor do I have anything else that can tell me who is mafia/town. There's groups of you I imagine that have the luxury knowing what 1-4 others are. Or can use a power that can tell you the alignment of others (which I'm surprised a cop did not check me in the night if they truly believed I was scum. Odd, is it not? For being so certain yesterday and today?).

No, I'm ganged up on and told I'm OMGUS'ing if I find something in a post scummy if that person happens to be voting me. So what everyone is saying, right now there are 6-7 people I cannot FOS, Vote or build a case on at all because they're under the protection of it being OMGUS if I do?

The corruption of OMGUS in this game has gone to a new limit. Claiming it on me every time I vote someone when I actually BUILD a case to go with it. Meanwhile not many voting me have built a case so much as cast blame and statements that have no defense against because they aren't arguments or cases. They're just their opinions.

I mean look at Edoc's change of vote (even though it's not bolded we all see it). There's no case with it, no argument, just a change of vote because I had the balls to build a case on Strike. Whether it's a good case or not, I can't say. But it's a case that I feel is good enough for at least trying to make one when everyone else claims they want one made before lynching me (this was back at the start of the day they claimed this and now that we're approaching deadline none of them have even attempted to start a new case what so ever. I have, twice so far).

I know people are going to completely skip over this post like most have been doing and shrug it off. So let me point out a few main points about this.

[list=]
[*]The term OMGUS is being corrupted and over used to the point building a case and voting someone is considered OMGUS.
[*]Those that claimed to want a new case before lynching me have failed to even attempt one.
[*]The case built on me is still petite. Most of the voting circles around statements instead of arguments.[/list]

[jak111]

• The term OMGUS is being corrupted and over used to the point building a case and voting someone is considered OMGUS.
• Those that claimed to want a new case before lynching me have failed to even attempt one.
• The case built on me is still petite. Most of the voting circles around statements instead of arguments.

EBWOP, that list and list= thing is just stupid. -.- Filling anything into equals still gives the same results. Example:

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[sheepofdumb]

Jak, I just don't know what to do with you. On one hand I believe you're town. I don't want to lynch a townie because that gives scum an increasing advantage. On the other hand, you have made some terrible plays. You've been lashing out at everyone voting on you (OMGUS). You used your kill on someone for what was essentially a whim. The list goes on.

Early game lynches are usually focused on getting rid of undesirable players. I've seen quite a few games where someone is on the chopping block because they make this big fuss when the spotlight is on them. Scum or not these players get lynched because no one wants to listen to them for the rest of the game.

I tend to be of the mindset to let bad players slip by so that they can keep playing and hopefully learn something. That's the other reason I haven't voted for you. But for many people letting you keep playing is a big aggravation so why put up with you later when you can be lynched now. You won't cause any more headaches and if people wanted to lynch you later they wouldn't have to debate between lynching you and lynching someone who's acting scummy.

I think it's getting to be a little too late for you. Other people have given you advise on how to play but you don't really seem to be taking any of it in. Which is understandable because that advise has come with a vote against you.

If I were you I'd review the advise people have given you and figure out how to get a few votes off you. People have explained why they are voting against you so maybe you can figure out what to say that will make them unvote you. I don't know. I think you can get out of this one, again. But it isn't looking too good for you.

Anyways, getting rid of an unwanted player is how early game mafia goes. It's always a messy business. Many people here are of the mind to just get rid of an unwanted player. That's why you have sone "policy kill" votes against you.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I second sheep's sentiments.

Jak...tldr...

[Iron Butterfly]

As we come to close of the day....

I am heading to hospital. I am having heart issues. I have my I phone so hopefully I can keep up. I will keep PCM updated.

[spiesr]

Unvote, Vote Strike Wolf

Here's why. He claims he believes me to be mafia, but yet, if asked he does not CARE if it's I who dies or Betiko who dies. A townie would care and you being so dead set on me being mafia, you shouldn't even be considering to vote Betiko.

What that tells me is either you don't believe I'm scum (whether you are or not, no one can really say), or you obviously don't want me dead bad enough. Either one, with your confidence level of me flipping mafia if I am lynched, it's odd that you'd be willing to go away from that lynch.

Jak, are you aware that thinking someone is scum isn't a totally binary thing? There are states that exist besides "this person is scum. not lynching them is unacceptable" or "this person is town, we must not lynch them." Positions like "I think X Y Z are the most likely to be scum let's lynch one of them" are valid.

EBWOP, that list and list= thing is just stupid. -.- Filling anything into equals still gives the same results. Example:

Your just using it wrong, it works like this:

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Anyhow, my vote on Sheep has accomplished all it is going to do for today, so Unvote. Jak, right now I am not certain about your alignment. Your play thus far perplex's me. There has been plenty to analyse which is nice and should give me a shot at getting a read on you. When I look at you posts the detector in my head says "This is scummy!" However, a deeper analysis suggest that being scummy under pressure has become your meta as of late. Accordingly I am having difficulty guessing your alignment. You certainly could be scum, or maybe you are actually town. I don't know how I am supposed to figure it out from what you are doing. What I can see is that we are going to be stuck arguing about it each Day until you are dead. As such I am going to Vote Jak in the hopes that lynching you today gets us out of this rut. (And besides the way things are going you are going to be lynched or vigged eventually anyway.) I don't know for sure that you are sscum, but you done enough scummy stuff that I don't feel bad about lynching you.

Mudpuppy replaced in today and then took a while to catch up. He has been posting since then, but I would like him to increase the amount so that he can build up a greater mass of posts for us to look at.

[jak111]

Replies in blue again.

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Jak, are you aware that thinking someone is scum isn't a totally binary thing? There are states that exist besides "this person is scum. not lynching them is unacceptable" or "this person is town, we must not lynch them." Positions like "I think X Y Z are the most likely to be scum let's lynch one of them" are valid.

What I am saying is he's pretty certain I'm mafia, but willing to trail off with a different death anyway (on someone who MIGHT be town and no one really has a solid read on betiko yet). So mentioning that he's willing to have Betiko die instead of me (not more or less willing, but willing) seems very strange to me.

EBWOP, that list and list= thing is just stupid. -.- Filling anything into equals still gives the same results. Example:

Your just using it wrong, it works like this:

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Ah thanks, I might have to use that for player and rule lists then so I don't have to go back and change numbers around if I want to switch the order of something/someone up. I was wondering why whatever I typed never changed the list thing.

Anyhow, my vote on Sheep has accomplished all it is going to do for today, so Unvote. Jak, right now I am not certain about your alignment. Your play thus far perplex's me. There has been plenty to analyse which is nice and should give me a shot at getting a read on you. When I look at you posts the detector in my head says "This is scummy!" However, a deeper analysis suggest that being scummy under pressure has become your meta as of late. Accordingly I am having difficulty guessing your alignment. You certainly could be scum, or maybe you are actually town. I don't know how I am supposed to figure it out from what you are doing. What I can see is that we are going to be stuck arguing about it each Day until you are dead. As such I am going to Vote Jak in the hopes that lynching you today gets us out of this rut. (And besides the way things are going you are going to be lynched or vigged eventually anyway.) I don't know for sure that you are sscum, but you done enough scummy stuff that I don't feel bad about lynching you.

I'll make sure taking "hard to read" as a compliment next time I'm anti-town. But for now, I'd rather you see me as town when that is what I am.

We will be arguing about it until a cop looks at me, which again, I am surprised did not happen with all this heat on me.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I want to know where others who have not voted stand.

As of now I'm favoring a Betiko lynch. He's been posting some generalized, non-committal posts whenever his activity is called to question, which fits with a scum role trying to avoid unnecessary attention. Of course, that could be the profile for a crucial town role, as well, but I have to believe that betiko is experienced enough to pull out of that kind of behavior.

Perhaps I'm seeing shadows where there are none, but in my eyes it looks like Jak is really trying to alienate everyone and get himself lynched. I'd be much more comfortable with a vig killing him in the night, if that were possible.

vote Betiko

-Tails

[Rodion]

@Sausage, pretty sure a few hours after I sent in the action I realised it was a bad move for N1, but that fucking clock guy... too late to change what happened. I just find it hard to believe Nebuch really thinks half the people are voting me because they think I'm "scum". As far as my actions go, I'll let slip 2 of them. Water = Doc save. Air = Bus Drive. Both usable to protect any investigation roles. So if we do out an investigation role I can at least protect him for 2 nights and get the main docs to focus elsewhere. If not out an investigative role I'll use my Earth ability.

This implies earth is not a protective action.

My D2 play, please explain this fully. Do not bullshit it, explain it out in full detail. Besides me defending myself from votes that have been piling up as the wagon grew. Or am I not allowed to defend myself Jonty? Just sit back and let them lynch a townie with only protection actions left?

This implies all your remaining actions are protective.

1 - Care to explain this apparent contradiction?

Also, you said you killed Zivel to get "reads". Well, Zivel flipped town.

2 - Who is more likely to be town now that Zivel flipped town? Why?
3 - Who is more likely to be scum now that Zivel flipped town? Why?

[Rodion]

Also, you shouldn't try to vig someone who claims to have a busdriver action.

[Whatsausage]

Well strike you never bolded me, but I did comment on sheep's activity earlier, but I shall do so again anyway haha

He didn't post for a while into the day and then flat out said that he wasn't really interested enough to post yet. He has since posted a couple times, with a somewhat lengthy post not long ago

First this

Jak. Stop talking. Your cases are crap. You've been flailing like a bull in a china shop. Nobody is really giving any credence to anything you are saying or posting because it all reeks of desperation and screams, "Hey everybody, I'm scummy!" Sometimes, less is more.

Then this

At this point I lean to vote betiko. I think it's better to have constant noise from jak than constant silence from betiko. That and jak seems to be trying at least. Betiko seems to have given up already.

And finally

I second sheep's sentiments.
Jak...tldr...

So what is it nebuch? What is your preference?

[betiko]

Vote jak

I will just tell you guys that if I decide not to be lynched today, I will not be lynched no matter how hard you try.
I am not convinced that jak is scum, but I am certain I'm town. So if you want to kill me a lynch won't work and you will need to waste 2 day lynches to get rid of me.

Sorry about your little butts!

[strike wolf]

*Looks back* It appears you are correct.

1. Strike->KGB (Just posted today and has been active)
2. Anarkist>Aage
3. IB->Whatsausage
4. Aage>Lootifer
5. Lootifer>Spiesr
6. Rodion>Edoc
7. Doomyoshi>Betiko
8. Spiesr>TFO MudPuppy
9. Jak>Tails
10. Hotshot>Strike
11. Jmac>Anarkist
12. Whatsausage->Sheep
13. Jonty->Doomyoshi
14. Tails>Hotshot
15. Neb>Jak
16. KGB->IB
17. Edoc>Neb
18. Sheep->Jonty125
19. Betiko>Jmac
20. Mudpuppy>Rodion

Vote jak

I will just tell you guys that if I decide not to be lynched today, I will not be lynched no matter how hard you try.
I am not convinced that jak is scum, but I am certain I'm town. So if you want to kill me a lynch won't work and you will need to waste 2 day lynches to get rid of me.

Sorry about your little butts!

Well that's not scummy...that's not scummy at all.

[betiko]

Vote jak

I will just tell you guys that if I decide not to be lynched today, I will not be lynched no matter how hard you try.
I am not convinced that jak is scum, but I am certain I'm town. So if you want to kill me a lynch won't work and you will need to waste 2 day lynches to get rid of me.

Sorry about your little butts!

Well that's not scummy...that's not scummy at all.

what exactly, the fact of voting jak to save my ability, or the fact of warning you guys what will happen if you lynch me today?

[DoomYoshi]

Ominous softclaim... betiko are you trying to emulate jak 100%?

[aage]

Ominous softclaim... betiko are you trying to emulate jak 100%?

Seems like it.


Governor can still be scum, but I'm not moving my vote. The arguments against Jak have been repeated over and over and his hypocrisy knows no bounds. I agree that it seems like he may even want to be lynched, no offence if that's not the case Jak. Nevertheless I am willing to grant that request as I don't believe he would have claimed his currently claimed role if he were a jester.

[DoomYoshi]

After reading everyone through in ISO with the horse game in mind here are my likelihoods that a given player is the horse fucker.

Very Likely
kgb007

Likely
hotshot
sheepofdumb

Medium
Tails
Rodion

Unlikely
Everyone Else

[DoomYoshi]

Is betiko a jester?

[betiko]

Is betiko a jester?

I'm tyrion town governor.

[jak111]

Is betiko a jester?

I'm tyrion town governor.

Okay 1.) Great pick for the video, I just watched that episode Monday. 2.) You know if we keep it equal votes we can force a run-off and you wont have to use your powers.

For those that think I'm town but just want to get rid of me, consider this. Mafia want me gone too, I can protect people in the night and they wont like that. I can even screw up their kill attempt and perhaps reverse it back onto them.

So why waste time lynching a townie and not make scum have to kill me off. Right now I can f*ck with them at night with all the WIFOM that I can do with different powers.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well strike you never bolded me, but I did comment on sheep's activity earlier, but I shall do so again anyway haha

He didn't post for a while into the day and then flat out said that he wasn't really interested enough to post yet. He has since posted a couple times, with a somewhat lengthy post not long ago

First this

Jak. Stop talking. Your cases are crap. You've been flailing like a bull in a china shop. Nobody is really giving any credence to anything you are saying or posting because it all reeks of desperation and screams, "Hey everybody, I'm scummy!" Sometimes, less is more.

Then this

At this point I lean to vote betiko. I think it's better to have constant noise from jak than constant silence from betiko. That and jak seems to be trying at least. Betiko seems to have given up already.

And finally

I second sheep's sentiments.
Jak...tldr...

So what is it nebuch? What is your preference?

I don't get your question here. I voted for Betiko. He's been quiet and reserved, and seemed to have already given up. I think I've been clear on my stance on Jak. His wall of posts are repetitive. His posts are very defensive and seem desparate. Had I only those things to go on, I would lynch him. Given the N1 kill and Clock action, I must assume that Jak is not Mafia. He could be 3rd party, and he could be an SK. This wouldn't be his first bold play here.

Now...Betiko claims governor. Tyrion no less. It is a testable claim. It has no bearing on his alliance. Betiko...can you only save yourself, or can you save anyone up for lynch?

At this point, I don't care who gets lynched. Betiko will save himself, and become a VT if he is lynched. If Jak is lynched we are all saved a ton of headaches and walls of words. Flip a coin.

FPd by Jak

[Nebuchadnezer]

Change of heart...I have to look back at the honest facts. Why would a town vig shoot on N1? He wouldn't. That is the one fact that bothers me. Everything else is fluff and smoke and mirrors.

Unvote

Vote Jak111

I will sleep much better not having to constantly wonder about Jak. He's played the game. He knows vigs don't shoot on N1. I won't let him spin whatever story he wants to in order to fit his agenda. You almost had me Jak...almost.