CYOC: TDT [6/22] Game Over! FREEDOM!!!

[Lootifer]

Back. Lots of catchup to do.

Just quickly: Who are our inactives right now? Considering in a quick skim I didn't spot my name (other than Aage) at all I really get the feeling that it would be super easy for scum to just fly below the radar right now. We just need all townies to step and be active; shake it up a bit and see what drops out the bottom.

[edocsil]

Edocsil that's my horse

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You already have a horse, you greedy horse thief.

This would be a really good time to tell me if I don't understand the game. Anyhow, I have it now so Jonty, that's MY damn horse!

Back. Lots of catchup to do.

Just quickly: Who are our inactives right now? Considering in a quick skim I didn't spot my name (other than Aage) at all I really get the feeling that it would be super easy for scum to just fly below the radar right now. We just need all townies to step and be active; shake it up a bit and see what drops out the bottom.

Well we do have the conga line of activity and my dude, neb is fairly active, and I assume the others are keeping tabs. I mean is isn't flawless, but I am sure people are being semi honest, if only to keep their own post count up for minimal amounts of cost (easy to call out an inactive and "contribute") Anyhow D3 I'll probably make a list of total post counts, and time since last post and a few other datapoints. No real need now, with the runoff thing inactives are a minor threat to the town, and we have a fairly proactive mod when it comes to killing/replacing.

Actually, I think you could even say that posting about inactives, unless you are really generating new content is just active submarining, and doesn't apply to meaningful discussion. FoS Lootifer.

[pancakemix]

Betiko has been prodded.

[sheepofdumb]

Illunvote vote Betiko

So you used your vig action before you could be killed? STUPID. I understand the fear of death but it really is something that we can not control in many respects. Some times the best course of action is to just be quiet and lay low when you have something more tangible to work with. You want to change your meta start with that.

Your only saving grace right now...well two actually, as others have suggested I doubt if you were mafia you would admit you killed Zivel. The other is that Betiko is mia and has not posted.

vote betiko

I wouldn't worry about him. He'll either get prodded and come back, get replaced, or maybe the horse guy could be nice and start picking off inactives. I'd keep tabs on him and see how he gets handled.

That's all you have to say today?????

For now, yes. Early game hardly interests me. Most arguments tend to be about how emotional/bitchy/meta a player is. As for Jak, he got pissed off at someone and used his power to kill them. That person flipped town. You would be giving him a pat on the back if it was scum/3rd party. If he's telling the truth, which I believe he is, then he's going to be a pain in the ass for mafia. He's more useful to us alive. I'm not sure who to go after but it isn't Jak or Betiko.

[strike wolf]

All hitting a scum would do for me on the Jak case is cause some hesitancy to vote. His reasoning for doing it would still be shit but we just wouldn't have an argument to stand on in his eyes because "he was right". That of course assuming he's a misguided townie and I am not convinced at all that this is the case.

As far as the Betiko case, it does ring true in that Betiko is usually much more active but he was also very active in what essentially was an SK role and I can't remember his meta for playing mafia. So I am not sure if this is his mafia/third party play or if it's an unfortunate coincidence due to other factors.

A player in the horse game on Day 1 would have wanted to end the day whenever they could guarantee they had a horse.

This is also one of my leading theories on the clock.

I believe IB has misunderstood the horse game. IB you should only need to call for a horse if you currently don't have one. As of right now, Jonty should be without a horse.

I am still reading back through on cases so I will only be posting sparsely for a while focusing on that but I am keeping up with what is happening in the thread.

1. Strike->KGB (Just posted today and has been active)
2. Anarkist>Aage
3. IB->Whatsausage
4. Aage>Lootifer
5. Lootifer>Spiesr
6. Rodion>Edoc
7. Doomyoshi>Betiko
8. Spiesr>TFO MudPuppy
9. Jak>Tails
10. Hotshot>Strike
11. Jmac>Anarkist
12. Whatsausage->Sheep
13. Jonty->Doomyoshi
14. Tails>Hotshot
15. Neb>Jak
16. KGB->IB
17. Edoc>Neb
18. Sheep->Jonty125
19. Betiko>Jmac
20. Mudpuppy>Rodion

[spiesr]

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That's all you have to say today?????

For now, yes. Early game hardly interests me. Most arguments tend to be about how emotional/bitchy/meta a player is. As for Jak, he got pissed off at someone and used his power to kill them. That person flipped town. You would be giving him a pat on the back if it was scum/3rd party. If he's telling the truth, which I believe he is, then he's going to be a pain in the ass for mafia. He's more useful to us alive. I'm not sure who to go after but it isn't Jak or Betiko.

Unvote, Vote Sheepofdumb then for vocalizing the intent not to make meaningful contributions during the "early game."

[MudPuppy]

Unvote, Vote Sheepofdumb then for vocalizing the intent not to make meaningful contributions during the "early game."

That seems a bit unfair. I don't agree with sheep's analysis of Jak but I can see where he's coming from. Perhaps you're just trying to prod him a bit to make some more useful reads but outside of these meta reads I haven't found a whole lot else of significance to go on. I did get some initial Town reads but I'm not sure how much I can trust those yet.

I must say this whole Clock thing has me thrown a bit for how to vote. Jak's already claimed and it's more a matter of if enough people have a scum read on him to lynch. However, it would be nice to get a another claim today. There are a few folks I'd consider pressuring but with the end of the day being an unknown, pressuring someone entails some risk since the candidates for pressuring aren't necessarily candidates for lynching.

Just throwing the idea out there but should we consider making yet another unofficial poll for who to pressure in order to avoid accidentally lynching them? However, I'm not sure someone would claim based on an unofficial poll and I may just be making too much of the risk involved.

[betiko]

hey guys i'm here.... tons of catch up to do on this game hope to be on the last page within a couple of days!

[DoomYoshi]

You would be giving him a pat on the back if it was scum/3rd party.

Prove it.

[Nebuchadnezer]

hey guys i'm here.... tons of catch up to do on this game hope to be on the last page within a couple of days!

Ya...haven't heard this ever before...

I think we vote as if deadline were normal. After all, the clock seemed to time day one end when nobody was a sure lynch....I'm hoping that same logic would be used.

[sheepofdumb]

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That's all you have to say today?????

For now, yes. Early game hardly interests me. Most arguments tend to be about how emotional/bitchy/meta a player is. As for Jak, he got pissed off at someone and used his power to kill them. That person flipped town. You would be giving him a pat on the back if it was scum/3rd party. If he's telling the truth, which I believe he is, then he's going to be a pain in the ass for mafia. He's more useful to us alive. I'm not sure who to go after but it isn't Jak or Betiko.

Unvote, Vote Sheepofdumb then for vocalizing the intent not to make meaningful contributions during the "early game."

I never said I wouldn't make meaningful contributions to the early game. Jak has been hammered for two days. First it was because of his "meta" then because he got aggravated. Now he's being voted on because he killed Zivel. While that is a lynchable offense it seems very wasteful and spiteful to kill someone who is essentially now a doc. Hopefully Jak will learn that using your killing ability because someone annoyed you is wasteful. Now Jak, you won't have your kill in the late game. Your also now a mafia target because docs are rather annoying to deal with. If I was you I'd save the bus driving as long as you can. Nothing drives a killer up the wall more than trying to figure out what the bus driver is going to do that night. Especially when there's like 5 people left in the game.

@Doom Prove I guess you could pretend Zivel was a mafia empowerer and gauge your own reaction from that point of view.

[jonty125]

Firstly, I'm going to FOS hotshot for completely misunderstanding the jak case and then making a poor defense on his behalf. Back on page 27 (or thereabouts).

I'm still happy with the position of my vote.

DoomYoshi has posted in the last 48 hours.

JMAC that's my horse.

[sheepofdumb]

Oh, Doom, you are Wispy Woods, right? I kept that quote in my signature just for this game.

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

Jak - 5 (jmac, Rodion, aage, SW, Jonty, MP)
Betiko - 3 (Doom, HotShot, IB)
Neb - 1 (Jak)
Sheep - 1 (spiesr)

Jmac is currently without a horse.

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is May 22nd at 11:59 PM ET.

[DoomYoshi]

Oh, Doom, you are Wispy Woods, right? I kept that quote in my signature just for this game.

Ha! I forgot about that one.

What I mean by prove it is, how can you say I would pat him on the back anymore than I already have?

I already said it was a good kill and the correct choice of night action. What more do you want to be classified as a pat on the back? It seems you hadn't actually read what I wrote.

Also, major fos on strike wolf... there are no RL reasons for betiko's absence as he has been posting in the rest of the forum! That was already mentioned today. When he flips scum, you are next.

[HotShot53]

hey guys i'm here.... tons of catch up to do on this game hope to be on the last page within a couple of days!

The day is going to end in 3 days (or less)... which means if it takes you a couple more days to catch up the day will end before you catch up. Which makes your only posts on both day one and day two "I'm going to catch up..."

If you had an excuse maybe I'd understand... but your being active everywhere else means it looks like heavy scummarizing to me. My vote stays.

For now, yes. Early game hardly interests me. Most arguments tend to be about how emotional/bitchy/meta a player is. As for Jak, he got pissed off at someone and used his power to kill them. That person flipped town. You would be giving him a pat on the back if it was scum/3rd party. If he's telling the truth, which I believe he is, then he's going to be a pain in the ass for mafia. He's more useful to us alive. I'm not sure who to go after but it isn't Jak or Betiko.

Since you don't favor voting Jak or Betiko, and have no interest in early game... what do you favor doing? Voting no lynch and waiting for a few more days/nights to go by before finding someone to go after? Or just sitting back and scummarizing doing nothing? FOS sheep

Firstly, I'm going to FOS hotshot for completely misunderstanding the jak case and then making a poor defense on his behalf. Back on page 27 (or thereabouts).

I'm still happy with the position of my vote.

DoomYoshi has posted in the last 48 hours.

JMAC that's my horse.

What did I misunderstand about the Jak case? It seems mostly based on his saying his meta would change, and then his overreacting to when people jumped on him about that, ending with him vig killing one of the people accusing him. I voted him day 1, and almost did during the runoff also (except I got distracted and missed the deadline). However, based on his posts today, I get more of a town feeling from him, and the feeling people are voting him more based on they don't like how he's playing, than that they actually think he is scum. As of now, I don't think he is scum, so I won't be voting him today unless something changes my mind again. I would much rather go after a scummarizer who has no excuse such as Betiko.

[Jmac1026]

Edocsil, that's my horse.

Major FOS on Betiko. He doesn't even have the decency to say that he had been keeping up. He's been active on the other parts of the site, but conveniently missed this one?

Fp'd by Hotshot.

[betiko]

ok i've been reeding the posts since my last post but I am still missing those just before.
As an explanation, I just started losing track of this game at one point (some really uninteresting arguments during day 1) and you guys had been all posting like crazy, probably 4-5 pages a day and that's when procastination comes into play....

anyway; for those who haven't played much with me I'm always very active (this is the first time ever I'm being so inactive, and even prodded). You can look back in other games where I've played scum. Never been a scumariner.

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[betiko]

Edocsil, that's my horse.

Major FOS on Betiko. He doesn't even have the decency to say that he had been keeping up. He's been active on the other parts of the site, but conveniently missed this one?

Fp'd by Hotshot.

that's because I haven't been keeping up!

[strike wolf]

Also, major fos on strike wolf... there are no RL reasons for betiko's absence as he has been posting in the rest of the forum! That was already mentioned today. When he flips scum, you are next.

Why because I pointed out that his behavior doesn't seem consistent with what I observed him playing as with another anti-town role? I am okay with a betiko lynch. I am just saying that it doesn't fit with the meta for him being scum that I have observed in the past.

[jak111]

Firstly, I'm going to FOS hotshot for completely misunderstanding the jak case and then making a poor defense on his behalf.

See I like FOS's like this, I am not sure whether you're cluing in or not. But most of the people voting me aren't doing so because they really think I'm mafia, half of them admitted to it as/before they placed their votes down.

At this point you're practically a policy lynch, in my books. I fail to see any reason to not lynch you before the end of the day.

Vote jak111.

Vote 1 after me outing. Not voting because he thinks I'm scum but for a "policy lynch".

Vote Jak.

I feel like I don't even have to explain my vote, but basically he vigged town instead of investigating + targeted someone that was not his biggest scumread (evidenced by how his last vote - other than no-lynch - was not focused at Zibel, but spiesr) + is refusing to cooperate (phrases like I'll do what I want or don't tell me what to do) + killed Zivel to get "reads", yet didn't provide a single read out of Zivel's death so far.

Vote 2, no where in this did he state he believes me to be scum. Just that I screwed up with my night action.

So Jak, as I understand it, you're saying that (a) you are a JOAT that used his killpower first chance he got to resolve some petty feud about someone "trying to kill you" during day 1, and that (b) you are town and we are stupid to believe otherwise... while at the same time, the kill that you claimed is the only kill that went through in a 22 player CYOC game. This brings about the assumptions that (a) we likely have more than one way to protect town against the night kills, (b) most of these were successful after a highly unproductive day, and (c) the mafia did not roleblock you which means they have no roleblocker (which is strange in such a big game). You can throw all the wifom you have against that last one, but if I were a mafia roleblocker you'd have been my primary target last night.

I killed a guy in the night I believed to come up as scummy for what we had and my other powers are not as useful without a bit more knowledge from others.

This is just plain wrong. The bold part is the problem. A town-aligned killing PR especially becomes useful with a bit of knowledge; it basically is an investigation that never yields a false result. If you had claimed unlimited kills, I wouldn't have minded as much, but you just gave away your most powerful weapon on a hunch, which is why I painted the second half of that phrase red. We had next to nothing, and now your role has become a lot less useful.

But I must assume you knew all that. This is not your first mafia game, not even close. Even you should realise that this is a no brainer. Vote Jak. I'm going to agree with Anark on this one: you really should climb off that high ivory tower of yours, because chances are we'll burn it down.

I'm all for more discussion and scumhunting while the day lasts, but I very much doubt that my vote will change or that I will remove it at all.

Vote 3, again, no where in it does he say he believes me to be scum.

I may agree with Edoc'sil that we should hold off on lynching overall but I waited on voting jak before and this is the result. Vote Jak. At this point it's as much policy lynch as anything. If you are town, this isn't the first time you acting in an arrogant manner has unfairly cost a townie their life. Not to mention that you've made it quite clear that anyone who disagrees with you is potentially going to fall into your sights. One shot or not, town cannot afford loose cannons who cost other townies their lives. So I want you lynched not just for this game but as a message to all games where this could happen. You claim Zivel you found Zivel scummy. I disagree. Okay, that's not by itself lynchable. What is lynchable, in my honest opinion, is that, on top of your flawed logic and theories (I don't even care if they are off as much as that you often refuse to acknowledge when they are wrong or unlikely) and OMGus vote on Spiesr, you took the MOST DRASTIC measure on NIGHT 1 to test this. Okay, you don't have an investigation. Do you have a role block? or even any ability that involves a role block as part of the ability? Even waiting around and trying to start a case the next day is preferable to the action you took.

Vote 4, again, a "policy lynch" nothing about thinking me being scum.

(Vote 5 was Doom, he removed it after realising it was stupid to lynch a guy he believed town, although he admitted that he believed me town)

vote jak and this time I do mean jak. Shooting N1, is a risk, and it didn't pay off.

If anyone should be explaining things, it should be this clock guy. It's not mafia role as Mafia definitely failed last night. So it's either a premature town role or a third party role.

The clock guy, has just screwed mafia over and you want him to come out. Anybody else having a hard time processing that?

Also, jak, you need to breathe. Look at yourself, multiple people are saying you are on a high horse / ivory tower / other metaphor. Now we can make two conclusions from here 1) It's a conspiracy and everyone is out to get you. 2) They are right. No more needs to be said on that matter I believe.

Vote 6, did not mention a thing about finding me scummy.

We had a bad storm and internet was down,,,Time Warner sucks. all I could think of was the clock person, my pony and the day ending early.

Everything that could be said about Jak has been said I think. Its pretty much same crap different game. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I remember Jaks first game where he introduced himself in this big wordy speech saying his goal was to be considered one of the best mafia players. Listening to him rationalize bad decisions IF he is indeed Town is annoying as hell.

He is a Joat who had a vig ability. Maybe i read wrong but he seemed to say that he had to use it or lose it night one?

Anyway vote Jak

Vote 7, another policy lynch basically. (IB pulled off later to vote the Betiko inactivity wagon).

Jak's new meta sure looks a lot like the play style I've become accustomed to (though, it admittedly took me a while to catch on): multiple OMGUS votes driven by people "tunneling" him and reads based on gut feelings that seem to come from nowhere. I hate policy votes but if anyone were deserving of such a vote, it would be Jak. However, of all the current Mafia candidates, Jak also leads the way with scummy behavior. He could very well be Town but between the "new" meta, the N1 killing of Zivel with little basis, his belief that Rodion should be untouchable, etc., etc., etc., the choice is clear. I'm more than happy to discuss other candidates... but for now, I'll Vote Jak to make sure my vote gets recorded before the day ends.

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@Sausage... I doubt Jak is the Clock. He probably truly is Ang... I just don't get the feeling that Ang is Town-aligned. It definitely could be an associate of his... but I am guessing the Clock is Town-aligned (since he presumably prevented Mafia actions last night) while I'm guessing Jak is not... so, based on that, I'll assume Jak has nothing to do with the Clock.

Vote 8, first vote to vote me because he believes me to be scummy.

So 8 votes total today, 2 pulled off, only 1 person actually said it's because I was scummy, the rest started chipping in and saying so after 2 people defended me by pointing it out. I went back and quoted each vote (besides Doom's but he knows what I say to be true).

So major FOS on everyone who were FOS'ing HotShot and kgb I believe the two were after they started pointing out what was wrong with the entire wagon.

I don't even think that FOS needs an explanation, I'm voting one of them.

Another quick count, how many are voting me because they want an easy lynch and how many are voting me for a bogus reason (besides MP who actually states that he finds me scummy before being pointed out on the poor wagon reasons).

Finally, no one even lifts a word whether they think my case on Nebuch is good enough for some pressure or not. They say they want another case and a claim, I point out someone's poor reasoning for FOS'ing people, no one says a word about the case.

FP'd by a few.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

jesus christ, man, you've got some serious blinders on.

-Tails

[DoomYoshi]

Also, major fos on strike wolf... there are no RL reasons for betiko's absence as he has been posting in the rest of the forum! That was already mentioned today. When he flips scum, you are next.

Why because I pointed out that his behavior doesn't seem consistent with what I observed him playing as with another anti-town role? I am okay with a betiko lynch. I am just saying that it doesn't fit with the meta for him being scum that I have observed in the past.

Just because you said "or if it's an unfortunate coincidence due to other factors". There are no other factors as evidenced by his posting on other parts of the forum (including PMs to me about unrelated topics).

[Rodion]

Vote Jak because he's giving me scum vibes.

I feel like I don't even have to explain my vote, but the reasons on why he is giving my scum vibes are that basically he vigged town instead of investigating + targeted someone that was not his biggest scumread (evidenced by how his last vote - other than no-lynch - was not focused at Zibel, but spiesr) + is refusing to cooperate (phrases like I'll do what I want or don't tell me what to do) + killed Zivel to get "reads", yet didn't provide a single read out of Zivel's death so far.

I hope that suits your taste better, since you apparently want people to explicitly declare they are voting someone due to suspicions of being scum, which should be implied by the very act of voting unless stated otherwise.

Edoc has been posting ok. It's not like he has a choice not to, with the horse game and all...

[jak111]

I hope that suits your taste better, since you apparently want people to explicitly declare they are voting someone due to suspicions of being scum, which should be implied by the very act of voting unless stated otherwise.

Edoc has been posting ok. It's not like he has a choice not to, with the horse game and all...

Now ignore your own vote and look at the rest of them, some ADMIT it's not because they believe I'm scum.