Pot calling the kettle black - game 4544

[Twill]

So, Im not calling either of these two cheaters, but just want your opinion - and this is me venting for someone calling me a cheater for tendancies which they are displaying:

2006-03-02 18:55:20 - FukienDeadBeat: between the 2 of them they've only taken 4 of each others armys, while taking 14 of ours..combined...nice tactic TWILL!!, is that how you win so many games?

and

2006-03-03 15:20:46 - FukienDeadBeat: I not accusing anybody of cheating, just implying a secret alliance that's all...

Now, thats fine, we were on different sides of the board, but feel free to accuse me if you wish, I didnt do anything wrong.

Where it gets fun is in FukienDeadBeat and Corporal Bruisers actions on the africa-europe border.

These borders were regularly undefended (2-3 armies) on one side with 15 men on the other side. Both people held the continent.

Do they attack eachother or do they come after me in S. America defended by 15 armies.

They have left their borders routinely undefended from eachother whilst attacking other people with no mention of this in the chat. Then FDB has the tenacity to accuse ME of being the one with a secret alliance.

bullshit on that I say. I dont care about losing - Ive done that plenty of times, I dont even care if you team up against me, but let me know and DONT YOU DARE CALL ME A CHEATER!

end rant

Twill

[kingwaffles]

From heearing what you say and looking at the game log, I totally agree wiht you. You definetly weren't cheating while the other two were displaying rather suspicious behavior.

[FukienDeadBeat]

So, Im not calling either of these two cheaters, but just want your opinion - and this is me venting for someone calling me a cheater for tendancies which they are displaying:

Quote:
2006-03-02 18:55:20 - FukienDeadBeat: between the 2 of them they've only taken 4 of each others armys, while taking 14 of ours..combined...nice tactic TWILL!!, is that how you win so many games?

and
Quote:
2006-03-03 15:20:46 - FukienDeadBeat: I not accusing anybody of cheating, just implying a secret alliance that's all...

I like the way you cherry pick a single line out of a conversation in an attempt to discredit me as a player, why not put the whole thing in context

2006-03-02 11:22:17 - KoolBak: Apparently there is a truce between FDB and CB?? Ignoring Europe was a nice gift.....
2006-03-02 11:53:15 - FukienDeadBeat: There's no truce, just not going that way...if there's a truce it between TWILL and CB.
2006-03-02 11:55:20 - FukienDeadBeat: between the 2 of them they've only taken 4 of each others armys, while taking 14 of ours..combined...nice tactic TWILL!!, is that how you win so many games?
2006-03-02 15:25:56 - Corporal Bruiser: oh f*ck, here come the moaners...WTF do you want me to do..i actually started in Australia, you want me to attack both US and Affie...get a grip an stop whinin
2006-03-02 19:54:25 - Twill: and the accusations begin. Yes, I'm a cheating bastard. I actually have 5 accounts, didnt you know?
2006-03-02 19:56:23 - Twill: Kool, peace? pull out of N/Am and I wont take you out
2006-03-02 21:51:26 - KoolBak: Sorry guys...did NOT mean to whine or start that.....
2006-03-02 21:52:22 - KoolBak: Twill...I am not there, so yes I am happy to pull out!
2006-03-02 21:54:12 - KoolBak: CB..I am prepared for more cursing!! Makes me feel right at home! See y'all, I believe I'm outta here...
2006-03-03 08:20:46 - FukienDeadBeat: I not accusing anybody of cheating, just implying a secret alliance that's all...
2006-03-03 10:07:13 - KoolBak: I knew I wouldn't last! Once again, apologies for instigating that BS...I got my just desserts! Next time......
2006-03-03 15:41:44 - Twill: FDB, that would be technically cheating...so...technically...you are accusing people of cheating, but so be it....one of us will still win
2006-03-03 15:42:01 - Twill: KB, good game as always, see you in the others
2006-03-03 17:50:45 - KoolBak: Many thanks T...congrats on the Diamond (again)!
2006-03-03 19:05:31 - Twill: lol, yeah, weèll see for how long
2006-03-03 19:43:00 - Twill: yeah, I call bullshit on that one. 2 men defending europe and you go for me...be careful how loudly you call me a cheater in the future
2006-03-03 20:06:32 - FukienDeadBeat: KB, you were the first to imply cheating by saying I had a truce with CB, so let's just play the game...oh...shit!!...you're dead...next time huh?
2006-03-03 20:09:35 - Twill: FDB, you take me out of N.Am now that I have no continent and leave europe occupied and dont defend africa...yeah....sure...lets just play eh

As you can see, myself and CB were initially accused of cheating by KB for an "unannounced truce". I was simply replying that if you looked at the game action, you would see that between Twill and CB they had taken out 14 of KB's and my armies(countries) to the 4 armies(countries) that we had taken from them. There was no truce on either side, just individuals playing a game.

...nice tactic TWILL!!, is that how you win so many games?

My comment about Twill was uncalled for and I apoligize, it was written in the heat of battle and it's one of those things a person says and can't take back....So, again I apologize Twill. I never meant to imply you were cheating, but I was accused of that by Kool Bak, for which he later apologized. So can we all just kiss and make up?
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Now, on the subject of why I attacked you instead of Corporal Bruiser...it was tactical, as follows:

2006-03-02 22:09:16 - Twill deployed 16 armies on Brazil
2006-03-02 22:09:36 - Twill attacked North Africa from Brazil and conquered it from FukienDeadBeat
2006-03-02 22:09:50 - Twill gets a card

2006-03-03 08:14:27 - FukienDeadBeat receives 3 armies for 8 territories
2006-03-03 08:14:48 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 3 armies on Egypt
2006-03-03 08:15:02 - FukienDeadBeat attacked North Africa from Egypt and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 08:17:31 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Egypt with 8 armies from Afghanistan
2006-03-03 08:17:54 - FukienDeadBeat fortified North Africa with 3 armies from India
2006-03-03 08:18:19 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Egypt with 6 armies from India
2006-03-03 08:18:56 - FukienDeadBeat gets a card

2006-03-03 15:36:20 - Corporal Bruiser receives 3 armies for 7 territories
2006-03-03 15:37:15 - Corporal Bruiser deployed 3 armies on Iceland
2006-03-03 15:38:01 - Corporal Bruiser attacked Ukraine from Northern Europe and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 15:38:51 - Corporal Bruiser fortified Iceland with 7 armies from Northern Europe
2006-03-03 15:39:00 - Corporal Bruiser fortified Ukraine with 7 armies from Northern Europe
2006-03-03 15:39:06 - Corporal Bruiser gets a card

At this point in the game, you have 2 continents/20 territories worth 13 armies. CB has Europe/territories for 8 armies and I have Africa/territories for 6 armies. Clearly you are the bigger threat.

2006-03-03 15:42:09 - Twill receives 5 armies for holding North America
2006-03-03 15:42:09 - Twill receives 2 armies for holding South America
2006-03-03 15:42:09 - Twill receives 6 armies for 20 territories

2006-03-03 15:46:01 - Corporal Bruiser receives 5 armies for holding Europe
2006-03-03 15:46:01 - Corporal Bruiser receives 3 armies for 7 territories

2006-03-03 19:37:38 - FukienDeadBeat receives 3 armies for holding Africa
2006-03-03 19:37:38 - FukienDeadBeat receives 3 armies for 8 territories

I cash in 3 cards and attack you in So. Amer up to Cent. Amer. taking away your ability to earn extra armies for holding 2 continents.

2006-03-03 19:37:38 - FukienDeadBeat receives 3 armies for holding Africa
2006-03-03 19:37:38 - FukienDeadBeat receives 3 armies for 8 territories
2006-03-03 19:38:35 - FukienDeadBeat cashed in a set of Southern Europe, Alaska, and Iceland worth 8 armies
2006-03-03 19:38:46 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 14 armies on North Africa
2006-03-03 19:39:47 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Brazil from North Africa and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 19:40:04 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Argentina from Brazil and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 19:40:15 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Peru from Argentina and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 19:40:37 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Venezuela from Peru and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 19:40:52 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Central America from Venezuela and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 19:41:52 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Venezuela with 14 armies from Egypt
2006-03-03 19:42:05 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Brazil with 9 armies from Middle East
2006-03-03 19:42:25 - FukienDeadBeat fortified North Africa with 1 armies from Brazil
2006-03-03 19:42:36 - FukienDeadBeat fortified North Africa with 8 armies from Brazil
2006-03-03 19:42:53 - FukienDeadBeat gets a card

Now I understand you would have preferred I attack CB in Europe thus diminishing both of our armies and weaking one or both of us so you could then cash in and take one of us out, but I chose to attack you instead, because you had less armies for me to go up against. So what do you do, instead of taking back your 2 continents, you attack me in India and then fortify in China...I wasn't going that way against you but up through No. Amer, so maybe now you're thinking of going against CB, but CB clearly had 30 plus armies in Ukraine, so maybe that was the reason I went against your 15 armies in Brazil in addition to taking away from you the ability of collecting armies for 2 continents. It was a tactical move on my part. As you can see you recieved less armies for your next turn.

2006-03-03 19:50:30 - Twill receives 5 armies for 16 territories
2006-03-03 19:50:35 - Twill deployed 5 armies on China
2006-03-03 19:50:39 - Twill attacked India from China and conquered it from FukienDeadBeat
2006-03-03 19:51:03 - Twill fortified China with 14 armies from Greenland
2006-03-03 19:51:15 - Twill fortified China with 4 armies from Kamchatka
2006-03-03 19:51:34 - Twill fortified China with 10 armies from Kamchatka

2006-03-03 20:06:55 - FukienDeadBeat receives 2 armies for holding South America
2006-03-03 20:06:55 - FukienDeadBeat receives 3 armies for holding Africa
2006-03-03 20:06:55 - FukienDeadBeat receives 4 armies for 12 territories
2006-03-03 20:07:19 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 4 armies on North Africa
2006-03-03 20:07:30 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 5 armies on Central America
2006-03-03 20:07:59 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Eastern United States from Central America and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 20:08:22 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Western United States from Central America and conquered it from Twill
2006-03-03 20:08:42 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Western United States with 1 armies from Venezuela
2006-03-03 20:08:59 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Central America with 3 armies from Venezuela
2006-03-03 20:09:38 - FukienDeadBeat fortified North Africa with 6 armies from Venezuela
2006-03-03 20:10:08 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Western United States with 3 armies from Venezuela
2006-03-03 20:10:23 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Eastern United States with 3 armies from Venezuela
2006-03-03 20:10:46 - FukienDeadBeat fortified North Africa with 2 armies from Venezuela

Then CB gets into the action...does he attack either of us...no, he choses to fortify cause he sees those 33 armies sitting in China. I attacks me in the Middle East where I have 1 army and also takes a single country in Africa to take those extra armies from my next turn...he earns a card.

2006-03-03 22:24:48 - Corporal Bruiser receives 5 armies for holding Europe
2006-03-03 22:24:48 - Corporal Bruiser receives 3 armies for 8 territories
2006-03-03 22:24:55 - Corporal Bruiser cashed in a set of Middle East, Siam, and Ukraine worth 8 armies
2006-03-03 22:24:55 - Corporal Bruiser gets bonus of 2 armies added to Ukraine
2006-03-03 22:32:43 - Corporal Bruiser deployed 3 armies on Western Europe
2006-03-03 22:32:49 - Corporal Bruiser deployed 2 armies on Southern Europe
2006-03-03 22:33:45 - Corporal Bruiser deployed 11 armies on Ukraine
2006-03-03 22:34:10 - Corporal Bruiser attacked Middle East from Ukraine and conquered it from FukienDeadBeat
2006-03-03 22:34:33 - Corporal Bruiser attacked East Africa from Middle East and conquered it from FukienDeadBeat
2006-03-03 22:35:13 - Corporal Bruiser fortified Ukraine with 2 armies from Middle East

I then take back Africa and fortify my perimeter

2006-03-03 23:41:53 - FukienDeadBeat receives 2 armies for holding South America
2006-03-03 23:41:53 - FukienDeadBeat receives 4 armies for 12 territories
2006-03-03 23:43:01 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 2 armies on Western United States
2006-03-03 23:43:10 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 2 armies on Eastern United States
2006-03-03 23:43:20 - FukienDeadBeat deployed 2 armies on Egypt
2006-03-03 23:43:47 - FukienDeadBeat attacked Middle East from Egypt and conquered it from Corporal Bruiser
2006-03-03 23:44:05 - FukienDeadBeat attacked East Africa from North Africa and conquered it from Corporal Bruiser
2006-03-03 23:45:00 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Eastern United States with 1 armies from Central America
2006-03-03 23:45:09 - FukienDeadBeat fortified Western United States with 1 armies from Central America
2006-03-03 23:45:28 - FukienDeadBeat fortified East Africa with 1 armies from North Africa

CB takes back the Middle East to protect his southern European border, as he already has Afghanistan. Meanwhile you've got 33 armies sitting on China waiting to either strike at me in Africa or CB in Europe.

Sounds like a pretty typical game to me...the ebb and flow, back and forth. I attacked you cause you were the greater threat at the time, now I'm on the hot seat with you in China with 33armies and CB in Ukraine with 31. The reason why I left Africa undefended for a turn was because I needed to protect my flank and not overextent my armies cause I didn't feel at the time I had enough armies or I wasn't willing to sacrifice alot of armies trying to defend Africa, So. America and half of No. Amer.

I'm enjoying this game, I like playing only the best and you clearly are one of the best. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Twill]

I understand fully the desire to go after me.

but the total war tactic that has been waged against me with complete lack of defense against the other player is what has me concerned.

You are both working on the assumption that neither of you will attack me.

Either that is very very very odd coincidence, you know eachother very very very well or you have an agreement somewhere.

I pulled out of north america after I had lost all hope of defending it or retaking it - especially with you two not putting a single man into defensive positions against eachother.

To say that 0 defense from a weaker player and assume that they will not attack you when I am now in the weakest position is logical is complete crap.

sorry, it is.

See you ingame

[Corporal Bruiser]

LMAO....whats really funny about this game is that ive been accused of cheatin by everybody in it and of teaming with everybody by everybody at some stage....
I dont feel a need to explain myself to anyone here but suffice to say i was nearly outta the game from the start and tried to live in euro while building up next to far more powerful neighbours
This has been a most unenjoyable game for me due to the constant childish bickering and makes me once again realise why i value so much being a part of xi ...... and on that note, there are many people here on CC with whom ive been playing Risk with for years on Msn zone and i say with confidence that to a person, they will tell you that i play with honour and never, never team, truce or whatever you want to call it.
And to you Twill, if you have something to say to me, you can pm me instead of spouting off in public , selectively picking parts of conversation that suit your agenda .
Rant over.

[YP_Legend]

With all due respect what a bunch of crap! Twill, it seems to me you are just as fast to assume & accuse here as anyone has been & you are unwilling to comprimise your notion (while maintaing it is not an accusation) to anything else but an alliance, even when parties give you an explanation & apology for their"battle heated" accusations. You sir, should get a clue & practice what you preach, especially if you gonna go public again.

I've known Corporal Bruiser for quite some time & will declare for the record that he plays with honor & integrity.

I do not believe i know FDB but after reading what he has to say i am left with the impression of someone who is honorable.

In review of all this i think it is a clear case of a good game gone bad from the great amount of emoitional energy this game is so famous for creating, with all the players in it being honorable, & perhaps even some a bit prideful............but this is just 1 mans opinion here.

Twill i do not mean to insult you sir, i just feel you are very wrong here. See you ingame.

YP

[Twill]

C'mon dont be a twit.....twill.

<---love the title YP

I just want to clarify, I am again, not calling, nor have I here called either of these two cheaters.

This was me ranting at someone calling me a cheater and having secret alliances while displaying dubious tactics which would coincide with a defense pact.

I have played several games with both Bruiser and Fukien, both are good players and have never raised questions in my mind before this game.

I apologize for tarnishing the names of these two, but FDB, dont accuse me of cheating for no reason at all, and then say I'm the one who is accusing people unfairly

Anyhoo, back to class for me. Apologies again if I caused any harm to your names.

Twill

[FukienDeadBeat]

For which I later apologized, so maybe we can just get back to playing RISK and give it a Fukien rest!!

No hard feelings Twill, you're a good competitor and I enjoy the challenge of playing the best....

Regards,
FukienDeadBeat

[YP_Legend]

Way to go guys.............Pardon me for buttin in......

Hurraaaaaay for the riff - raff!!!!

YP

[JustSerious]

You guys are all crazy