More options for TO's

[Beko the Great]

Concise description:
Allow Tournament Organizers (TO's) to have the same options for tournaments as AutoTournaments, i.e. atributing Conquer Points Prizes, Conquer Stars, etc. Also, I think TO's should benefit from generous offers from the "Conquer Gods", when completing a tournament.

Specifics/Details:
Before Conquer Points and Conquer Stars, and until now TO's may award Premium Memberships (between 1 month to 2 years if I'm not mistaken) to members who won their tournaments. With the appearance of AutoTournaments, these tournaments award CC players with Conquer Points and Conquer Stars.
As a player I enjoy this. As a member of the hardworking TO community I've seen less and less players joining users run tournaments and more and more joining AutoTournaments.
Currently the Tournaments page is divided in two columns: The right: Bright shiny stars, juicy conquer points. The description of each tournament. The left: A list of tournaments and their organizers. Period.

Also in the main menu, there is a tab called Tournaments in which the active tournaments of the player are shown. Unfortunately at the moment only AutoTournaments are displayed here!

I'd like to see TO tournaments on the same foot of Autotournaments.
What needs to be changed:
- TO's need to describe their tournaments in a standardized fashion similar to AutoTournaments in order that the tournaments description is equivalent;
- The site must provide an upgraded Community Run Tournaments column similar to the AutoTournaments one.
- TO's shall be able of awarding Conquer Points and Conquer Stars;
- TO's must receive a generous amount of Conquer Points (maybe 500) and Conquer Stars for each tournament they complete (these may go to the personal Inventory or to the tournaments Inventory - i.e. only available for tournaments the TO later organizes.
- The tab Tournaments must be improved in order to contain also the Community Run Tournaments!

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
This suggestion would benefit directly the TO's by giving more meaning and value to the tournaments they organize, and thus, players. This would also benefit the CC community in general as well because TO's tournaments are different than standard autotournaments and diversity is certainly a plus in this field of the site.

[Dukasaur]

Yeah. I've certainly been frightened by the decline in regular Tournaments since the Autotournaments came out. I knew it would hurt us, but I didn't think it would be quite this bad. The Ongoing tournaments forum is down to 6 pages; the Open tournaments are down to 19 entries from probably 45 or 50 at this time last year.

We definitely need to help the tournamenting community stay alive. 500 creds per tourney is probably too much, but the amount can be tweaked. What I see as more important is that the TOs should be able to input the basic description of their tournament onto a template and have it show much as the Autotournaments show their basic pattern. Also, the new tournament tab on the Games page needs to show regular tournaments.

[iAmCaffeine]

Definitely in favour. I agree with Duk that 500 is a bit steep, but I pretty much agree with everything here.

I have greatly enjoyed playing in community tournaments over several months, and the majority are designed better than auto tournaments anyway. I also prefer the interaction you get with a public thread.

Since I decided to make my own tournament I'm starting to realise how hard it is to get the tourney filled, unless it's a basic 1v1 or similar.

[mcshanester29]

I agree with Caff and Duk!!

[Beko the Great]

Definitely in favour. I agree with Duk that 500 is a bit steep

I might agree with that too. The fundamental idea here is to provide TO's with the mechanisms to award the same things that AutoTournaments awards. For instance, mechanisms could be created such that the TO's would be the means to transfer prizes from the Admins to the winners.

Thanks both for the strong support!

[elonpuckhog]

Auto Tournaments are def killing Community Run Tournaments and would be driving me from the site if real life weren't doing so already. Community tournaments support more complex scoring - I hate the win and its a point, otherwise no points that comes from Auto Tournaments.

I am in support of all of these suggestions. Let me hand out stars which apparently will become more valuable. Let me hand out other prizes. Let me have more tools to make sure my tourney runs smoothly. In my opinion, the community tournaments are much better than the auto tournaments. There is so little transparency with the auto tournaments. There is no thread for the tournaments - no place to ask and answer questions, etc.

[benga]

I would be in support of making available tools to TOs, I find auto tourneys to lack creativity that regular tourneys have.

[Armandolas]

i support this
Auto tourneys are very cool, but TO tourneys have a lot of creativity and are a big part of CC entertainment.

[MrPinky]

Both have its advantages. I have definitely enjoyed some of the community run tournaments more than any auto tournaments. But some of the more ordinary 8 or 16 player tournaments ,everybody plays 1 game in a cup format, has been overrun by auto tournaments. My hat is off to the people that has been running them over the years. I have played a lot of them, won a few, and definitely enjoyed them all. But instead of crying over that we now have something even better, I think TOs should focus a bit more on making more complex and interesting formats. Those will always have customers. Me at least

I don't give a s*** about stars and points. This is not the reason auto's are drawing attention. I don't think that will make a difference for you.

What you need are creative and great tourament formats. And then accept that the total number of community run tournaments may be down, but the quality is better! Like when Ford invented his automation.... let the machines take care of the "boring formats"...they do it better anyway...and go ahead and invent something really nice and never-seen-before that the auto's would never be able to copy

[benga]

Both have its advantages. I have definitely enjoyed some of the community run tournaments more than any auto tournaments. But some of the more ordinary 8 or 16 player tournaments ,everybody plays 1 game in a cup format, has been overrun by auto tournaments. My hat is off to the people that has been running them over the years. I have played a lot of them, won a few, and definitely enjoyed them all. But instead of crying over that we now have something even better, I think TOs should focus a bit more on making more complex and interesting formats. Those will always have customers. Me at least

I don't give a s*** about stars and points. This is not the reason auto's are drawing attention. I don't think that will make a difference for you.

What you need are creative and great tourament formats. And then accept that the total number of community run tournaments may be down, but the quality is better! Like when Ford invented his automation.... let the machines take care of the "boring formats"...they do it better anyway...and go ahead and invent something really nice and never-seen-before that the auto's would never be able to copy

those kind of tourneys requrie a great deal of effore by TOs, why shouldn't they et some tools to help them out?

[morleyjoe]

I have joined a number of the auto tournaments, simply because they are often some of the setting I like, (and like to use in my own tournaments). That and they do come online very quickly once filled - I like that about them the most. When the last game of one round is done, then the next pops up immediately. I like that.

What I don't like is the complete lack of the personal touch in the autos that a TO brings to the table for each of their events. Even some of the basic ones created by TO's can be very enjoyable just because the TO has done a great job hosting.

And what concerns me the most of the latest batch of abandoned tournaments. I think the last time it was posted, there was 11 needing rescuing (of which I took the max possible to get me up to 4 hosting).

So maybe we also need more tools to help TO's. Is it possible to provide things to help those making bracket or round robin tournaments so that they can create games easier? To auto create them once a round is done? Maybe that is something to think about. But also giving them equal billing and the chance to add prizes would be really big.

My two cents....

[GioDuce]

Great suggestion, I support for sure.

The most awesome tournaments are those with a story.. those must be created by the community in order to feel involved.
Rewarding the TO's can be an option - but letting TO's give more prizes is a MUST have for me.

- Trade in conquer credits and inventory for who ?
everyone or only when your given temporary powers by a Moderator ?

[Beko the Great]

What you need are creative and great tourament formats. And then accept that the total number of community run tournaments may be down, but the quality is better! Like when Ford invented his automation.... let the machines take care of the "boring formats"...they do it better anyway...and go ahead and invent something really nice and never-seen-before that the auto's would never be able to copy

I might agree with you in this point and the main question here is not whether Auto Tournaments are better than Community Run Tournaments but rather the support that each of the tournaments is having. Maybe because they are a new thing and they are being more directly by the Admins the emphasis that Autos have is being way greater than Community Run Tournaments.

But if you say Autos should replace those easy/trivial tournaments I agree with you but let the good tournaments, those with history, like, say for example DK's History of the Nuclear Series or Teflon's Spy inspired tournaments be better represented in the site. A layout for User's tournaments similar to those of Autos would be a great step already!

[angola]

I definitely support this suggestion.

Auto tournaments are great. I've joined a few, but they lack creativity and are all set up the same way.

Please give the TOs the same tools and the either there own tournament tab, or incorporate the community run tourneys into the auto tourney tab.

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, we definitely need to at least be able to show prizes that are already offered (the tournament Cup, any GA medals that are offered, and any premium prizes) even if we aren't given extra stuff to hand out.

Just being able to show the prizes would go a long way to putting community tournaments on an equal footing with autos.

[Beko the Great]

I took this from the thread of TO's forum:

It would be really nice if we could have that one feature that comes with the auto tournaments. That email that says XXX tournament has started you should find the six new games in your games list. No more waiting around for someone to join that would be really nice. Just Bang you signed up. Here's your games you are signed into them. Now play them. That I think would be sweet.

This suggestion per se is really worthy. What it's needed to make it happen?

[Dukasaur]

I took this from the thread of TO's forum:

It would be really nice if we could have that one feature that comes with the auto tournaments. That email that says XXX tournament has started you should find the six new games in your games list. No more waiting around for someone to join that would be really nice. Just Bang you signed up. Here's your games you are signed into them. Now play them. That I think would be sweet.

This suggestion per se is really worthy. What it's needed to make it happen?

It's probably a good idea, but I think it should be a separate suggestion entirely. I think this thread needs to stay focused on the things you talked about in your OP.

TO's need equal billing on the tournaments tab -- the ability to show prizes that are offered in the tournament, as well as the ability to offer new prizes like Inventory items. That is the core message, and if you want to get a suggestion through you really have to stay tight to the core message.

[jdean1]

I really like this idea. It has been a steep steep drop in user run tourneys. And the ability in the my tournaments tab to be able to see user run tournaments is also really key.

[WILLIAMS5232]

my more creative tournaments with stories are the ones that are not filling. so i'm not sure making the simple 1v1's auto only will fix that.

also, while 500 cc points may be too much for one tournament, it may not be enough for another. i think games played/players iknvolved could be a good way to distribute them. first i'd like to know what a cc point is good for and why i don't have any.

i think giving out stars would help community run tournaments get more players. these auto tournaments seem so boring. i played and won one a while back and got a freaking orange star. that's all i got. the next day i logged on and got a yellow one. whoopty doo. i can get stars that are more rare just by logging in to cc vs winning auto-tournaments? whats up with that.